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Dan Mulligan
Joined: Fri, Sep 19 2008, 5:41 pm EDT Posts: 172 Location: Old Cranbury Road
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Posted: Thu, Mar 18 2010, 11:32 pm EDT Post subject: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Cranbury Township
$610,227 State Aid 2009 2010
$468,633 Proposed State Aid 2010-2011
- $141,594 Cut
- 23.2% Percent cut
The proposed statewide 2010-2011 municipal aid cuts total $275,508,631, a reduction of 17.4%.
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2010-2011 Proposed Education Cuts
County MIDDLESEX
District Name CRANBURY TWP
2009-2010 State Aid $769,042
2010-2011 State Aid $0
Aid Cut -$769,042
Percent Cut - 100.0
District Budget $17,625,834
State Aid Cut as Percent of District Budget -4.4 |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010, 6:49 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Average impact per taxpaying household in Cranbury: $379
$910,000 / 2 (commercial vs. Residential)
$455,000 / 1200 HH
(Assuming no expense cuts) |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010, 7:58 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Can someone tell me how Jamesburg which is smaller tahn us continues to get a lot of state aid?
I suppored Christie, but he's no better than Corzine, he's taking from districts like ours and supporting other districts so while we continue to pay more and more state taxes we get less and less. This is why I oppose consolidation, the state would just take even more from our local property taxes and distribute it elsewhere in the county. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010, 8:31 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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If it is redistribution of income that you do not like, Christie is worlds apart from Corzine. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010, 8:45 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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They are far apart, but Christie is still taking away from the haves to support the have nots. He's simply also taking some away from the have nots as well. But, let's not fool ourselves into thinking he's playing all things equal. We just lost a lot. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010, 9:26 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Last year David Stout said at a TC meeting that the Township was receiving "nothing" from the State. Seems he was wrong. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010, 9:42 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Here’s the thing about the State aid. I am fine with it going away completely. What I am not fine with is that it is a one-way street, because Cranbury Township taxpayers are sending the State a lot of taxes. So what is happening is that they are using us to subsidize other townships and schools. Which is particularly ironic since we were supposedly the inefficient small township that Corzine wanted to consolidate to save money. Yet we are covering 100% of our own costs now and covering some of the costs of larger townships and school districts. The truth is this has been going on a long time – we’ve long sent the state more than we received – but at least the subsidy was obscured by the fact that we got some money back. Now it is straight-up forced charity. All things considered, I would rather have my subsidy of other townships and schools come in the form of taxes and not Corzine’s plan to force us to merge (because having our taxpayers subsidize the townships/schools we merged into was always real objective of that program). That said, Christie can’t credibly claim he is pursuing a different goal than Corzine – just in a more up-front way. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 8:08 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Hey.
Why not auction off naming rights for The Cranbury School to the highest bidder?
I mean, The Cranbury School is NOT very original nor creative.
How about, The Sun Bank School..........or..........The Prudential School................or The Exxon-Mobil School.
I like that one.
It'll raise much needed funds and teach our little ones that our nation REALLY is run for the almighty buck.
They may as well learn that lesson early on! |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 10:30 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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toenailcake wrote: | Hey.
Why not auction off naming rights for The Cranbury School to the highest bidder?
I mean, The Cranbury School is NOT very original nor creative.
How about, The Sun Bank School..........or..........The Prudential School................or The Exxon-Mobil School.
I like that one.
It'll raise much needed funds and teach our little ones that our nation REALLY is run for the almighty buck.
They may as well learn that lesson early on! |
not relevant to this discussion, please stay on topic. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 11:31 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Guest wrote: | That said, Christie can’t credibly claim he is pursuing a different goal than Corzine – just in a more up-front way. |
Sure he can. Christie is cutting the overall budget. He is gradually detoxing New Jersey's municipalities and school districts from the drug of state aid. If Christie stays true to his mission, we will all pay less in taxes and receive less in rebates, state aid, etc. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 11:38 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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State education aid should be replaced with vouchers for the needy. Power to the people! |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 11:47 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | That said, Christie can’t credibly claim he is pursuing a different goal than Corzine – just in a more up-front way. |
Sure he can. Christie is cutting the overall budget. He is gradually detoxing New Jersey's municipalities and school districts from the drug of state aid. If Christie stays true to his mission, we will all pay less in taxes and receive less in rebates, state aid, etc. |
By the way Christie has done nothing yet to address the "states" budget problem other than transfer money from local school aid to the state budget. In the case of Cranbury we still pay huge state taxes and get none of it back. Maybe he will be successful in restructuring state government, but this has nothing to do with that. This is a quick fix to try to remain solvent.
The state is still broken.
This "drug of state aide" is a particularly silly phrase. New Jersey funds its schools through property taxes more than other states.
Remember Christies first move was to stop this years budgeted funding to Cranbury because of excess surplus. Excess surplus is required by statute to be returned to the local tax payers at the end of the fiscal year. Effectively he took our local property taxes and transferred them to the state. If you think this is a good idea, you don't understand what is going on. |
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Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 12:52 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Guest wrote: | toenailcake wrote: | Hey.
Why not auction off naming rights for The Cranbury School to the highest bidder?
I mean, The Cranbury School is NOT very original nor creative.
How about, The Sun Bank School..........or..........The Prudential School................or The Exxon-Mobil School.
I like that one.
It'll raise much needed funds and teach our little ones that our nation REALLY is run for the almighty buck.
They may as well learn that lesson early on! |
not relevant to this discussion, please stay on topic. |
Sorry, Mr. Spock, for not being logical. |
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Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 12:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | That said, Christie can’t credibly claim he is pursuing a different goal than Corzine – just in a more up-front way. |
Sure he can. Christie is cutting the overall budget. He is gradually detoxing New Jersey's municipalities and school districts from the drug of state aid. If Christie stays true to his mission, we will all pay less in taxes and receive less in rebates, state aid, etc. |
But that's not consistent with the facts. First, because the opposite is true. It was never "state aid" -- it was local taxes re-distributed back locally by the state. And he is still collecting the same local taxes, he's just not giving as much of it back locally. More importantly, his policy disproportionately penalizes those local municipalities and school districts that were not deeply relying on the "drug of state aid" while least impacting those that were. As a result, he is actually further perpetuating the problem by taking an even higher percentage of taxes from places that most self-fund and giving it to places that don't. That's why Jamesburg will still get millions this year to fund a school district smaller than ours and had a smaller cut in both dollars and percentages while Cranbury, which sends far more to the state to give to schools and municipalities than it ever received back will get nothing.
If the goal, as you claim, were really to detox local districts from depending on state aid, wouldn't you reward or at least not penalize those least dependent on it? Isn't the message being sent now that you need to rely on aid as much as posisble so you can assure still getting the most after re-distribution? If the goal was really as you claim, why not have consistently cut the same percentage from all districts at the very least? It doesn't reward the responsible districts but at least its fair and doesn't penalize them while rewarding the irresponsible ones. |
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Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 7:06 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Whatever Christie does has to pass muster with the supreme court, so you're not going to get a perfect plan. If Christie did what you're suggesting, he'd get crushed by the court for disproportiately affecting poor districts.
As it is, Trenton is losing $10 million and we are losing $600k. What Christie is doing is smart and sensitive. It's not that hard for the guy smoking two cigarettes a day to go cold turkey. The guy smoking 5 packs a day has to start somewhere.
If Christie does exactly the same thing next year (cut all aid up to 5% of each district's budget), Cranbury will receive a 0% cut and Trenton will lose another $10 million. Are you going to argue that that is unfair to Trenton? |
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Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 8:24 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Proposed State Aid and Education Cuts |
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Guest wrote: | Whatever Christie does has to pass muster with the supreme court, so you're not going to get a perfect plan. If Christie did what you're suggesting, he'd get crushed by the court for disproportiately affecting poor districts.
As it is, Trenton is losing $10 million and we are losing $600k. What Christie is doing is smart and sensitive. It's not that hard for the guy smoking two cigarettes a day to go cold turkey. The guy smoking 5 packs a day has to start somewhere.
If Christie does exactly the same thing next year (cut all aid up to 5% of each district's budget), Cranbury will receive a 0% cut and Trenton will lose another $10 million. Are you going to argue that that is unfair to Trenton? |
If he does the same thing next year, he will still not be addressing the problems with the states budget. He will simply have our schools funded like they are in California. Oh hey they don't have any budget problems.
The fact remains he can cripple the schools and still have a huge state budget problem. So far we have just using a stop gap approach by further shifting the burden to local governments. Which by the by is what every governor since Florio has done. |
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