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 Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 8:51 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Every wonderful thing you said about Taylor and Cooke is true of Stave.
There was a previous comment about "cleaning up this mess".
Sorry don't see it as a mess. Some decisions we may not like, but mess no. I don't see any configured TC doing much about Old Trenton Road. This would include the dearly departed last Republican majority of Danser, Mayes and Hasselback.
The main problem with the current TC is Stannard is burned out and Stout, while a bright enough guy is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. I actually think that is a pretty damning statement about Stout, but it does not leave a mess to be cleaned up.
I think you will find little difference in the future TC other than possibly tone.
One last thing the constant praising of your particular favorite guy on the TC is embarassing. If he successfully blows his nose we don't have to give him a gold star.
PS I am actually glad they are widening Old Trenton Road. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:03 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | Every wonderful thing you said about Taylor and Cooke is true of Stave.
There was a previous comment about "cleaning up this mess".
Sorry don't see it as a mess. Some decisions we may not like, but mess no. I don't see any configured TC doing much about Old Trenton Road. This would include the dearly departed last Republican majority of Danser, Mayes and Hasselback.
The main problem with the current TC is Stannard is burned out and Stout, while a bright enough guy is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. I actually think that is a pretty damning statement about Stout, but it does not leave a mess to be cleaned up.
I think you will find little difference in the future TC other than possibly tone.
One last thing the constant praising of your particular favorite guy on the TC is embarassing. If he successfully blows his nose we don't have to give him a gold star.
PS I am actually glad they are widening Old Trenton Road. |
Who is praising anyone specifically? We are all saying Mr. Cook, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Cody are doing well. I think they should get kudos because they represent different parties and work well together. They set a good example for future TC's. I don't see anyone praising anyone of them individually which to me is very positive. Wouldn't it be great if we had 5 people where we could say the whole TC is doing great working together?
Yes, you could have said the same of Ms. Stave, but unfortunately I don't think Ms. Stave was independent.
I don't see a mess either that needs to be cleaned up. I do see a refining in how residents views are heard, but that is already happening. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:40 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | Every wonderful thing you said about Taylor and Cooke is true of Stave.
There was a previous comment about "cleaning up this mess".
Sorry don't see it as a mess. Some decisions we may not like, but mess no. I don't see any configured TC doing much about Old Trenton Road. This would include the dearly departed last Republican majority of Danser, Mayes and Hasselback.
The main problem with the current TC is Stannard is burned out and Stout, while a bright enough guy is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. I actually think that is a pretty damning statement about Stout, but it does not leave a mess to be cleaned up.
I think you will find little difference in the future TC other than possibly tone.
One last thing the constant praising of your particular favorite guy on the TC is embarassing. If he successfully blows his nose we don't have to give him a gold star.
PS I am actually glad they are widening Old Trenton Road. |
My first post on this topic and I think its too early to form conclusions on the new people, though I believe in always starting with the benefit of the doubt until people prove otherwise.
But I definitely disagree with your conclusion that there is no "mess" with the outgoing TC people. As a resident, it has been very discouraging the watch the way that Stave, Stout and Stannard collectivity politicized the TC ahead of the interests of the residents of the Township. I personally don’t believe in partisan politics (and, for what it’s worth am a registered member of the same party as the three of them), but I particularly don’t see a place for it in small town governing. I have friends in both parties and respect for the new TC members from both parties. Mr. Cook, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Cody all get the same respect and presumption of support from me unless or until their actions dictate otherwise. And I hope they embrace a spirit of bipartisanship on issues and appointee selections.
The fact that Stave, Stannard and Stout always voted as a block, always attempted to freeze out the people not part of their block (including Tom Panconi who initially was originally in the same party but didn’t tow the line and always vote as told to), the fact that Mr. Stout openly refused to consider anyone not of his party for any Township Board or appointed position, the fact that each of them openly praised Linda Greenstein even as she consistently failed to deliver anything for Cranbury and often directly voted against our interests or cowardly abstained, while dismissing Bill Baroni who consistently voted in our interests, says to me that these people were representing their own personal interests above that of the residents of the Township. Regardless of the specifics of the library, ballfield, etc., this entire philosophy was a “mess” and I am hopeful the new blood will not follow their terrible example and legacy. I would rather have a TC full of newbies with strong ethics and good intentions than a group of experienced people whose main focus is party politics.
The one good thing that came out of their tenure of politics and personal interests is it energized something of a bipartisan backlash with at least some portion of the community, enough to make a difference. A silver lining in every cloud. I sincerely hope that Stout, Stannard (who is moving back to CT) and Stave enjoy their local political retirement. But I won’t miss their contributions to our Township governance. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 11:21 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Sorry to be so argumentative. But seriously, I don't see the mess. As I said Stout is rude. As for partisanship, it has been this partisan before, both ways.
The new group will come in, I wish them well. In the last twenty years we have never had a group with less collective experience. They have a lot too learn in very little time.
As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 1:47 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| So who would be good candidates to run for vacating TC positions? If you are displeased with recent governance, it is a good opportunity to identify folks that are more in line with what you hold near and dear in terms of local issues. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 2:30 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | Sorry to be so argumentative. But seriously, I don't see the mess. As I said Stout is rude. As for partisanship, it has been this partisan before, both ways.
The new group will come in, I wish them well. In the last twenty years we have never had a group with less collective experience. They have a lot too learn in very little time.
As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
I don't remember it ever being this partisan in town. I don't see it being that partisan this year compared to last year. I don't think it will ever be this partisan again in town. If a Rep. was mayor a Dem always sat on the PB unless they declined to do it which has happened. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 3:55 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
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As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 4:07 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | So who would be good candidates to run for vacating TC positions? If you are displeased with recent governance, it is a good opportunity to identify folks that are more in line with what you hold near and dear in terms of local issues. |
You miss the point entirely. It's not about what anyone holds near and deal, just not being so rigidly political. I think many people are pleased with the balanced results of the last couple elections with new blood from each political party. Hopefully those committee members take to heart being their own people and not feeling like they have to always vote as blocks or defer to state politicians. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 4:59 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | So who would be good candidates to run for vacating TC positions? If you are displeased with recent governance, it is a good opportunity to identify folks that are more in line with what you hold near and dear in terms of local issues. |
You miss the point entirely. It's not about what anyone holds near and deal, just not being so rigidly political. I think many people are pleased with the balanced results of the last couple elections with new blood from each political party. Hopefully those committee members take to heart being their own people and not feeling like they have to always vote as blocks or defer to state politicians. |
+1 This is excellent. We need to remind people that this is about Cranbury, not politics. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 5:35 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
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As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site. |
I really believe win's election had nothing to do with Stout Stave or Stannard. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 5:51 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: |
As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
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As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site. |
I really believe win's election had nothing to do with Stout Stave or Stannard. |
My vote for Win was the first time I had voted Republican in my life. And while I voted for the positions Win campaigned on and my read of his integrity, all of which has so far borne out, I definitely was inspired to cross party lines out of the disappointment I had for the way those three were demeaning their offices and making me ashamed, on a local level and along with state officials, of my party. I am still a proud Democrat but it took Stout, Stannard, Greenstein and DeAngelo (I never really took issue with Stave beyond the fact that she insisted on rigidly aligning herself with the other two in every vote and action) to finally inspire me to vote outside my party. And for that, I guess, I thank them, since its made me a more responsible voter in any event. And I know others who would stay the same, Democrats who voted for Win because of their disappointment with our local Township Committee members and the public association the Democrat candidate, Jon Ritter, made with them. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:24 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| The TC always (rigidly) aligned themselves with Pari Stave, and not the other way around. It's really about time all of them left. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:51 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: |
As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
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As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement. |
You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site. |
I really believe win's election had nothing to do with Stout Stave or Stannard. |
I agree -- Win and Dave won more because they have been in town, involved and lots of folks know them socially as well as politically. The partisan thing has little to do with it. |
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