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 Posted: Fri, Jul 9 2010, 11:38 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Wow the municipal court has made 189 K so far. That must help offset some costs for Plainsboro. |
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| Posted: Sat, Jul 10 2010, 8:12 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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What I notice is:
- The town is 6 months through the year and there are a number of line items where spending is under 50%. To me this shows the efficiency of a small town counter to what that Star Ledger video, Corzine or Christie want to say about small towns being inefficient and needing to consolidate. I'd love to compare us to other large towns and cities to see if their spending and cost controls are this good.
- There is a significant drop in attorney and engineering fees. It seems the TC focus on these areas to reduce their costs is panning out as well as the change in engineering firms.
- Affordable housing is over 60%, so this should be monitored in light of S-1. |
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| Posted: Sat, Jul 10 2010, 9:08 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| What are the affordable housing costs? |
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| Posted: Sat, Jul 10 2010, 11:34 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Guest wrote: | | Wow the municipal court has made 189 K so far. That must help offset some costs for Plainsboro. |
No wonder why they have a new library!!!!!!!! |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 8:02 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| It still would be costing us more as you have a ton of state mandates to comply with a court. The room has to have video, gun proof offices for collection, it has to have ADA compliance including bathrooms, it has to have a whole host of compliance mechanisms that did not exist when we used the school. |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 9:19 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Guest wrote: | | What are the affordable housing costs? |
Beuhler? |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 10:10 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Doesn't the new police station have room for a court? Im sure they are ADA compliant and have "gun proof" rooms(whatever that means?) |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 10:17 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| No the station does not have the parking or facilities required. The room where the cashier is has to be bullet proof in case someone should get a gun through the metal detector (also required) with security. Plus we have to staff the court even if the employees are part time. A court is not a cheap thing to establish new or to operate today. We missed the opportunity when we moved the court and again when the station was built. It's now too late and too costly. |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 11:27 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| So there is no space in that police station that was built in 2005? And the modifications can't be made so we just hand over 189k in court revenue every 6 mos to Plainsboro? plus the 100k plus that we pay to them to run the court annually? How much does bulletproof glass cost? I would imagine that the police building itself is compliant w ADA standards. It looks like there is a lot of parking on Liberty Way. |
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 7:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| No there is no room in the station because the station was not built with the intent of housing a court. The station would require a major renovation. You can't have the public using the locker room that the officers use because of the risk to the public and officers. You need to build offices to house the collection of payments with all their requirements. It is not a simple thing. If you think it is go to a TC meeting and ask the question. You will get the full detail on why it makes no sense and costs way too much. |
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 9:37 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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If we really spend close to $500K a year ($189K x 2 + $100), wouldn't it have made sense to buy the PNC site to use as a court then renovate it? $800K for the property then assume, for the sake of argument, $1.2M to make it compliant with requirements (ADA, bullet proof glass, whatever). You would have had plenty of parking and probably more space than you need, so you could have leased back the excess or used it for other purposes. Even assuming no lease income, that works out to a 4 year return on investment, 5 tops. Not bad when you consider you would be in the black for decades afterward.
Personally I was not a fan of spending money to put a second library there, but if someone would have proposed something that would be cash posivite for my taxes in a few years, I would have been supportive. |
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 9:42 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Guest wrote: | | No there is no room in the station because the station was not built with the intent of housing a court. The station would require a major renovation. You can't have the public using the locker room that the officers use because of the risk to the public and officers. You need to build offices to house the collection of payments with all their requirements. It is not a simple thing. If you think it is go to a TC meeting and ask the question. You will get the full detail on why it makes no sense and costs way too much. |
The state has many many mandates when it comes to courts which are all very costly. So for say $300 k a year in revenue plus the 100k a year we give to plainsboro what would we have to spend upfront to establish a new court? Then once you have fullfilled the state mandates each year and paid the judge, court officers, clerks, paid the debt service for having started the new court and all are you sure we would still be running a profit from the revenue taken in?
Here is an overview of one such mandate from the State for security:
http://www.njslom.org/magart0507_p58.html |
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 9:46 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Guest wrote: | If we really spend close to $500K a year ($189K x 2 + $100), wouldn't it have made sense to buy the PNC site to use as a court then renovate it? $800K for the property then assume, for the sake of argument, $1.2M to make it compliant with requirements (ADA, bullet proof glass, whatever). You would have had plenty of parking and probably more space than you need, so you could have leased back the excess or used it for other purposes. Even assuming no lease income, that works out to a 4 year return on investment, 5 tops. Not bad when you consider you would be in the black for decades afterward.
Personally I was not a fan of spending money to put a second library there, but if someone would have proposed something that would be cash posivite for my taxes in a few years, I would have been supportive. |
Would not fly. No one in the village wants the "perps" in town. They want them in Plainsboro or east of 130. Remember that Cranbury also encompasses the turnpike and Rt 130 and all of the stops are not simple speeding tickets. Some scary people are arrested for many bad things. Do you want them in town? |
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 9:57 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | No there is no room in the station because the station was not built with the intent of housing a court. The station would require a major renovation. You can't have the public using the locker room that the officers use because of the risk to the public and officers. You need to build offices to house the collection of payments with all their requirements. It is not a simple thing. If you think it is go to a TC meeting and ask the question. You will get the full detail on why it makes no sense and costs way too much. |
The state has many many mandates when it comes to courts which are all very costly. So for say $300 k a year in revenue plus the 100k a year we give to plainsboro what would we have to spend upfront to establish a new court? Then once you have fullfilled the state mandates each year and paid the judge, court officers, clerks, paid the debt service for having started the new court and all are you sure we would still be running a profit from the revenue taken in?
Here is an overview of one such mandate from the State for security:
http://www.njslom.org/magart0507_p58.html |
The poster did not think a court was a revenue generator from their post. The cost to Plainsboro is revenue neutral they keep the revenue from the tickets, but we pay nothing else to them. If we only write one ticket a year, then they get only one ticket worth of revenue. If we write 1,000 tickets then they get the 1,000 worth of revenue.
And why does PNC keep coming up? People it's over move on. |
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 10:17 am EDT Post subject: Re: The Quarterly budget |
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"The poster did not think a court was a revenue generator from their post. The cost to Plainsboro is revenue neutral they keep the revenue from the tickets, but we pay nothing else to them."
You are wrong there is a fee paid to Plainsboro of 100K or so plus they keep the ticket money. |
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