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 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 2:23 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | God I love reading this board. It reminds me of how lucky I am that my town doesn't have to deal with real problems... |
Cranbury was a lot nicer before the cancer that is this site was created. |
It's a worldwide problem. There are equivilents to this in most communities now and they are all, on average, comparably nasty. The fact is that people are nasty in general when they can do so anonymously and without consequence or accountability. The internet just created the perfect spark for that desrtuctive nature in many of us. Someone posted a link to a New York Times article a while back about a town where people post far more personal attacks, accusing people by name of affairs, of criminal acts, etc. It's bad. |
Everyone is allowed to exercise their right of freedom of speech. We are allowed to talk about things, good or bad, that bother us for as long as we want to, and that’s the purpose of this forum isn’t it? You have a choice, if you don't like it, don’t read it and then you won't be another complainer, complaining about other people complaining. |
You are absolutely correct that everyone has the right to free speech. But just because someone has the legal right, it doesn't mean it is necessarily the right thing to do. The Westboro Baptist Church protests at the funerals of soldiers, which is completely legal, but still a reprehensible act. They are protected by the first amendment, which I am a supporter of. That said, I think in that case they are using their freedoms to cause harm to others. Obviously, I am not putting this anywhere near the level of the WBC and talking about things that bother you is completely fine. However, anonymously spreading rumors without any evidence while legal, is morally questionable. This poster was referencing an article where community members accused each other of affairs and criminal acts. Are you suggesting that accusing people of affairs and criminal acts would be a good use of this site? |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 2:34 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Cranbury Observer wrote: | The posters who sling around the "tea party" and "right wing Republican" and pro-Governor Christie tags in negative ways demonstrate fear of the opinions and platforms of those they place in these slots.
Perhaps these folks don't realize that for many of us these are tags that are quite positive.
At least, we are willing to listen to the many sides of a question as many of the hib-shooting, self-proclaimed liberals are not. |
Michelle Bachman, tea party, Rick Perry, extreme right wing republicans, Christie's extreme policies, cheering executions equates with positive tags? That's why I wont't vote for Wayne, even though i know him and like him. Current mainstream rebublican thought and policies are extreme and crazy - not something to be admired by thoughtful people |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 2:59 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | God I love reading this board. It reminds me of how lucky I am that my town doesn't have to deal with real problems... |
Cranbury was a lot nicer before the cancer that is this site was created. |
It's a worldwide problem. There are equivalents to this in most communities now and they are all, on average, comparably nasty. The fact is that people are nasty in general when they can do so anonymously and without consequence or accountability. The internet just created the perfect spark for that destructive nature in many of us. Someone posted a link to a New York Times article a while back about a town where people post far more personal attacks, accusing people by name of affairs, of criminal acts, etc. It's bad. |
Everyone is allowed to exercise their right of freedom of speech. We are allowed to talk about things, good or bad, that bother us for as long as we want to, and that’s the purpose of this forum isn’t it? You have a choice, if you don't like it, don’t read it and then you won't be another complainer, complaining about other people complaining. |
Actually there are legal limits on free speech, just as there is for all constitutional liberties (the “your right to swing your arm ends at my face” standard). That's what libel and slander laws are for, for example. The problem is that the law hasn't caught up with the Internet technology yet in practice. In the old days if someone wrote something that is verifiably false about someone else they might be subject to legal repercussions. The standard varies whether they are a public figure or not. If they are, the standard of proof is higher and they would need to prove the person who wrote it knew or should have known it was false. The standard is less for non-public figures. Some of the stuff that gets published anonymously would easily qualify as libel. Except that it is anonymous. And there is no burden the website providers to track identity. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 3:24 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | I am actually a Karen supporter, but wanted to see the truth. So I went to the EC minutes.
2010
Jan present
Feb present
March absent
April present
May present
June present
July present
August absent
Sept absent
Oct present
Nov present
Dec cancelled
2011
Jan- present
Feb- present
March - present
April-absent
May- absent
June- present
July- no minutes
August- present
Sept-absent
Now, that said only Dave, Glenn and Jay made every TC meeting and Win has missed the most. But, I can't say Win has not been dedicated to the town. So this statement about Susan is ridiculous. |
Check 2009 its a much different story. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 3:26 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | I am actually a Karen supporter, but wanted to see the truth. So I went to the EC minutes.
2010
Jan present
Feb present
March absent
April present
May present
June present
July present
August absent
Sept absent
Oct present
Nov present
Dec cancelled
2011
Jan- present
Feb- present
March - present
April-absent
May- absent
June- present
July- no minutes
August- present
Sept-absent
Now, that said only Dave, Glenn and Jay made every TC meeting and Win has missed the most. But, I can't say Win has not been dedicated to the town. So this statement about Susan is ridiculous. |
I am always amazed here at the audiacity of the people who make false claims that are so easily disproven. Do they think people are that dumb? So she's missed 3 meetings a year. Someone needs to brush up on their math if they think that's a majority. |
Check 2009 |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 3:28 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Cranbury Observer wrote: | The posters who sling around the "tea party" and "right wing Republican" and pro-Governor Christie tags in negative ways demonstrate fear of the opinions and platforms of those they place in these slots.
Perhaps these folks don't realize that for many of us these are tags that are quite positive.
At least, we are willing to listen to the many sides of a question as many of the hib-shooting, self-proclaimed liberals are not. |
Michelle Bachman, tea party, Rick Perry, extreme right wing republicans, Christie's extreme policies, cheering executions equates with positive tags? That's why I wont't vote for Wayne, even though i know him and like him. Current mainstream rebublican thought and policies are extreme and crazy - not something to be admired by thoughtful people |
And the left wing in this country is not mainstream and not to be admired due to its crazy stances. That is why I am not voting for Susan. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 3:43 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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I hope that this forum serves as some form of catharsis for posters spewing some of the more venomous statements here. I am being serious.
Applying national political labels and casting aspersions about candidates running for a small town elected position is silly. Think about the range of issues affecting our town, what is within our (local government) control, and the relevance of the national politics/labels you want to bring into te fray. Susan and Karen are going to have their personal and political beliefs. So be it. Will they work for the town? Will they be responsive to input from the people that will (not via anonymous forum) express their concerns? Will they try to be fiscall repsonsible? This is what I want to know. Whether one wants a new public library or one does not favor public trash collection hardly makes a compelling case for labeling one as a left-winger or right-winger. For crying out loud...
And some wonder why it was so hard for either party to field a candidate?
I am largely ambivalent between the two candidates. I am thankful that they both stepped up. I'd encourage those on this forum to redirect some of their energy into more positive pursuits.
As the OP predicted, this thread fell apart quickly. To get back on track:
Greenstein, Wittman, Benson
Probably Susan - but it may be a gametime decision for me. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 3:57 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | I am actually a Karen supporter, but wanted to see the truth. So I went to the EC minutes.
2010
Jan present
Feb present
March absent
April present
May present
June present
July present
August absent
Sept absent
Oct present
Nov present
Dec cancelled
2011
Jan- present
Feb- present
March - present
April-absent
May- absent
June- present
July- no minutes
August- present
Sept-absent
Now, that said only Dave, Glenn and Jay made every TC meeting and Win has missed the most. But, I can't say Win has not been dedicated to the town. So this statement about Susan is ridiculous. |
I am always amazed here at the audiacity of the people who make false claims that are so easily disproven. Do they think people are that dumb? So she's missed 3 meetings a year. Someone needs to brush up on their math if they think that's a majority. |
Check 2009 |
Why would that matter? The original comment what questioning her commitment to the job and the recent history supports a commitment to her volunteer position. It's not like she planned at the beginning of 2009 to become a write-in candidate in 2011 and changed her behavior for that reason. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 3:57 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | I am actually a Karen supporter, but wanted to see the truth. So I went to the EC minutes.
2010
Jan present
Feb present
March absent
April present
May present
June present
July present
August absent
Sept absent
Oct present
Nov present
Dec cancelled
2011
Jan- present
Feb- present
March - present
April-absent
May- absent
June- present
July- no minutes
August- present
Sept-absent
Now, that said only Dave, Glenn and Jay made every TC meeting and Win has missed the most. But, I can't say Win has not been dedicated to the town. So this statement about Susan is ridiculous. |
Check 2009 its a much different story. |
Susan joined the EC mid-year in 2009. It is a pretty simple explanation. Why do you think she didn't attend any meetings and then all of the sudden attended a bunch at the end of the year? |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:00 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Why does anyone in Cranbury vote for Greenstein? Please list tangible results she has achieved for our Township. On the other hand, her record of voting for measures that would be specifically damaging to the Township is well known. This isn't a left versus right thing or a Dem versus Rep -- I am a Dem in fact. This is a what's in Cranbury's interest thing. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:02 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | I am actually a Karen supporter, but wanted to see the truth. So I went to the EC minutes.
2010
Jan present
Feb present
March absent
April present
May present
June present
July present
August absent
Sept absent
Oct present
Nov present
Dec cancelled
2011
Jan- present
Feb- present
March - present
April-absent
May- absent
June- present
July- no minutes
August- present
Sept-absent
Now, that said only Dave, Glenn and Jay made every TC meeting and Win has missed the most. But, I can't say Win has not been dedicated to the town. So this statement about Susan is ridiculous. |
Check 2009 its a much different story. |
Susan joined the EC mid-year in 2009. It is a pretty simple explanation. Why do you think she didn't attend any meetings and then all of the sudden attended a bunch at the end of the year? |
LOL. The poster trying to make a case that she's been neglectful in her attendance is looking like a complete ass. Too bad they are anonymous so we can't observe the egg on their face. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:09 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| I still cant believe it is only now coming out about Susan wanting take away everyone's property rights by forcing a policy which would stop anyone from being able to remove a tree from their property. This is an extreme stance and not what we want here in Cranbury. That is why I will not be voting for Susan. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:11 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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This flip flopping on the library to get elected is bad. So is making us all have to get permission to remove trees from our property. I guess Susan has done a good job until now hiding here extreme left wing ideology.
| Guest wrote: | Susans stance has changed publicly about the library. What you hear at meetings face to face is very different from what she said candidates night or on her web site. Same goes for her radical stance on forcing home owners to get permission from the town to have a tree removed from their property. Susan has done a very good job of hiding these stances while having her supporters come here to this blog and disparaged her opponent Karen.
| Guest wrote: | | Susan has stated repeatedly we can't use tax dollars. That she like all the current members and Karen have said let the library go for it through private donations. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:14 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | This flip flopping on the library to get elected is bad. So is making us all have to get permission to remove trees from our property. I guess Susan has done a good job until now hiding here extreme left wing ideology.
| Guest wrote: | Susans stance has changed publicly about the library. What you hear at meetings face to face is very different from what she said candidates night or on her web site. Same goes for her radical stance on forcing home owners to get permission from the town to have a tree removed from their property. Susan has done a very good job of hiding these stances while having her supporters come here to this blog and disparaged her opponent Karen.
| Guest wrote: | | Susan has stated repeatedly we can't use tax dollars. That she like all the current members and Karen have said let the library go for it through private donations. |
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Ha, are we already back to this? I guess the EC attendance argument wasn't working. And to think that we made it almost 2 pages with a real adult conversation that didn't involve lies and rumors. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:27 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | This flip flopping on the library to get elected is bad. So is making us all have to get permission to remove trees from our property. I guess Susan has done a good job until now hiding here extreme left wing ideology.
| Guest wrote: | Susans stance has changed publicly about the library. What you hear at meetings face to face is very different from what she said candidates night or on her web site. Same goes for her radical stance on forcing home owners to get permission from the town to have a tree removed from their property. Susan has done a very good job of hiding these stances while having her supporters come here to this blog and disparaged her opponent Karen.
| Guest wrote: | | Susan has stated repeatedly we can't use tax dollars. That she like all the current members and Karen have said let the library go for it through private donations. |
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Ha, are we already back to this? I guess the EC attendance argument wasn't working. And to think that we made it almost 2 pages with a real adult conversation that didn't involve lies and rumors. |
discredit the facts that that Susan is an extremist with her view that home owners must get permission to take down a dead tree on their property is a typical tactic used by the far left. Say its not true so it must not be. We have seen this before. Next will come Susans post saying its not true. Of course it will be with the wink and nod to the far left in town. |
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| Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:29 pm EDT Post subject: Re: TC election |
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| Guest wrote: | | I still cant believe it is only now coming out about Susan wanting take away everyone's property rights by forcing a policy which would stop anyone from being able to remove a tree from their property. This is an extreme stance and not what we want here in Cranbury. That is why I will not be voting for Susan. |
You realize that everyone now gets that you're just making stuff up, right? You've already been made a fool of on your claim about her attendance and you've already been called out for not backing this claim up about property rights with any proof too. No one is buying it. Whether they support Susan or Karen, the sensible majority knows the smell of pure BS.
If you have some real claims, why not actually post some proof instead of these easily contradicted sound bites? |
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