Posted: Sat, Jun 20 2015, 3:14 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
anon-np42 wrote:
anon-4p22 wrote:
You all do realize that these speed limit changes will have zero impact on travel time.
I can tell you that Cranbury Neck has constant speeding and I fully support the changes as do neighbors I have spoken with. I hope the TC does not listen to these threats or statements and does the right thing.
So prove it.
I still have yet to see anyone cite actual statistics on how many tickets have been issued for speeding on Cranbury Neck between Main Street and Wynnewood. Should be a simple thing to cite. And there is an easy way to study this. Communities do it all the time, they put out the markers that track speed over two points and collect real data, usually in advance of making decisions on a speed change. You seem afraid to actually do the real work and get real data preferring to just rely on your gut.
And what threats?
Cranbury Neck after Wynnewood is a rural country road. It's irrational and unnecessary to lower the speed by 40%. And not one piece of evidence has been cited to demonstrate otherwise. Only innuendo and unsupported deductions. This is over-government at it's worse, fixing something for which there has been zero hard evidence of a problem. How many accidents have there been in that stretch? Meanwhile we still let people fail to shovel their sidewalks and I see and hear of people slipping or near misses with cars because they half to walk in the roads. Shouldn't we focus on real issues?
Posted: Sat, Jun 20 2015, 3:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
anon-4p22 wrote:
You all do realize that these speed limit changes will have zero impact on travel time.
I can tell you that Cranbury Neck has constant speeding and I fully support the changes as do neighbors I have spoken with. I hope the TC does not listen to these threats or statements and does the right thing.
Who are these people you speak of? Everyone I know agrees this is ridiculous.
Posted: Sat, Jun 20 2015, 3:42 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
I thoroughly agree that lowering the speed limits on the "mystery limit" sections of Plainsboro and Cranbury Neck is just plain stoopid. And I agree that all it would do is allow the constabulary to write tickets when they feel like it (which apparently they don't feel like doing very often.) The 25mph zones should be patrolled and laws enforced, particularly since the speeders are for the most part out of town commuters heading toward the NJT or 130. I spend a lot of time on the roads out of town, and my experience is that 1) very few non-commuters are speeding, and 2) bikers and pedestrians are usually MORE at risk from plodding (usually elderly) drivers or the Text&Drive crowd than drivers who are significantly exceeding the speed limit.
I've got an idea: why not put shoulders on our country roads? A couple months worth of traffic fines from Maplewood would pay for a decade or two of upkeep.
And what's with the 35mph limit on OTR? Who on earth is that supposed to protect? The children playing in the street?
Posted: Sat, Jun 20 2015, 5:52 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
For those opposed, what is your logic? If there is no true time savings which is simple math to do then what is your logic for keeping the speed limit the same? If the police feel it will help.
If as I have been told as I asked the Mayor, there have been traffic studies done for this change, that the police feel it will reduce speeding and it will make an area of road safer for bikers, joggers and walkers which use this section of road then what is the valid reason to oppose it?
The Mayor posted the speeding tickets issued last month.
It seems to me the only reason people are opposed is because of the feeling of going faster. I wonder who you spoke with that lives on Cranbury Neck that is opposed to doing anything to slow down traffic.
Also, as has been stated numerous times ticket revenue does not come to Cranbury so there is no revenue idea behind the change.
Posted: Sat, Jun 20 2015, 9:56 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
anon-473n wrote:
For those opposed, what is your logic? If there is no true time savings which is simple math to do then what is your logic for keeping the speed limit the same? If the police feel it will help.
If as I have been told as I asked the Mayor, there have been traffic studies done for this change, that the police feel it will reduce speeding and it will make an area of road safer for bikers, joggers and walkers which use this section of road then what is the valid reason to oppose it?
The Mayor posted the speeding tickets issued last month.
It seems to me the only reason people are opposed is because of the feeling of going faster. I wonder who you spoke with that lives on Cranbury Neck that is opposed to doing anything to slow down traffic.
Also, as has been stated numerous times ticket revenue does not come to Cranbury so there is no revenue idea behind the change.
If you all really oppose it sign your names.
Link to the post from the Mayor listing the number of tickets please. Link to the traffic studies.
You ask people to sign their names but you didn't post yours.
The reason to oppose it is it is not necessary. A good section of the road in question is a rural, very low density country road and consistent with NJ law should be 50 MPH.
Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 6:02 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
Why is it that we are discussing roads with no sidewalks , no shoulder being 35moh, 40mph and 45 mph and yet old Trenton with sidewalks a shoulder being left at 35 mph?
Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 6:18 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
I can't figure it o-sp6p wrote:
Why is it that we are discussing roads with no sidewalks , no shoulder being 35moh, 40mph and 45 mph and yet old Trenton with sidewalks a shoulder being left at 35 mph?
Old Trenton doesn't have a sidewalk the whole way. It was supposed to get one but it sounds like that didn't pan out.
Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 12:21 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
anon-np42 wrote:
anon-4p22 wrote:
You all do realize that these speed limit changes will have zero impact on travel time.
I can tell you that Cranbury Neck has constant speeding and I fully support the changes as do neighbors I have spoken with. I hope the TC does not listen to these threats or statements and does the right thing.
So prove it.
I still have yet to see anyone cite actual statistics on how many tickets have been issued for speeding on Cranbury Neck between Main Street and Wynnewood. Should be a simple thing to cite. And there is an easy way to study this. Communities do it all the time, they put out the markers that track speed over two points and collect real data, usually in advance of making decisions on a speed change. You seem afraid to actually do the real work and get real data preferring to just rely on your gut.
And what threats?
Cranbury Neck after Wynnewood is a rural country road. It's irrational and unnecessary to lower the speed by 40%. And not one piece of evidence has been cited to demonstrate otherwise. Only innuendo and unsupported deductions. This is over-government at it's worse, fixing something for which there has been zero hard evidence of a problem. How many accidents have there been in that stretch? Meanwhile we still let people fail to shovel their sidewalks and I see and hear of people slipping or near misses with cars because they half to walk in the roads. Shouldn't we focus on real issues?
The ordinance introduced last night incorporates the township speed limits in our code book.
While working on codifying the speed limits, we took the opportunity to assess the speeding issues the town and residents are encountering on Cranbury Neck Rd and Plainsboro Rd. as a number of pedestrians use these roads (whether children walking to school, walking to town, joggers, etc...). Despite the number of tickets we issue--for example, in April we issued 143 traffic summonses and of those summonses Plainsboro Rd. was the number one road for speeding and number two road for other traffic offenses----speeding is a continuous problem.
After much thought and analysis, we took action to address the speeding issues.
Cranbury Neck Road
From town to Wynnewood Drive will remain 25 Mph
From Wynnewood Drive to Applegate Court will be 35 mph – a transition period
From Applegate on to the township line it will be 50mph.
Plainsboro Road
From Town to #142 will remain 25 mph
From #142 to Petty Rd. it will be 40 mph
From Petty Rd. to the township line it will be 45mph consistent with Plainsboro Rd. in Plainsboro.
Dumb, dumb, dumb! I feel like dealing with this current tc is no different than my grandkids. These roads are major roads and not for joggers etc.
Once again our current tc fails to use their heads while trying to please the minority and annoy the majority. In fact if you disagree with me lets put all these new speed limits on the ballots. including Old Trenton and see how many residents want the speed limits back where they should be. By the way you all have lost my vote.
I agree it's pretty dumb to be changing the speed limit on rural stretches of road when they aren't even adequately enforcing the speed limits now and without going through even a token study. So a handful of homeowners who bought along a country road that has had the current speed longer than they have had their homes wants to slower. Therefore lets just do it. No need to prove that many people actually speed on that road or to demonstrate that actual accidents have occurred as a result.
As you may have noted there are now signs being posted. Included in the new signs being put up is a sign at Applegate court that now notifies drivers that the speed limit is 50mph from that point on.
Prior to changing the speed limit our engineer and Police Chief conducted formal speed surveys and worked through the data including speaking with the county. At the meeting to adopt the changes to the speed limit our engineer was present to discuss the methodology and how the assessment was done. As well as to answer any resident questions. We had a solid turnout of residents that evening.
These changes represent a change of mere seconds (much less than a full minute) when going from point A to point B and are easily negated by a slower car in front, stopping for a car to turn or a traffic light.
The hope is that these changes will slow down traffic in the residential areas of Cranbury Neck Road and Plainsboro Road where a number of residents and children are impacted. These streets have children walking to and from school and walking to and from school buses in the early morning or later in the evening. Cranbury Neck also has a number of people and families who walk or jog along the road in this area.
When the ordinance was voted on at the Township Committee meeting no resident raised an opposing voice. One person raised concerns on introduction.
Since that time I have had many discussions with residents and the only negative is anonymous posting here. All comments raised to me have been positive on this change.
In terms of Old Trenton Road this had nothing to do with a town decision. The County decided it would be 35mph. Prior to the current Township Committee, a former Township Committee had made the request that it be 40mph to match the stretch through Cranbury Green and in East Windsor.
We are also doing what we can with our resources to enforce speeding in town. Our objective is to catch and ticket speeders which is why you may not always see a patrol car on the side of the road.
Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2015, 8:42 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
Where are the kids walking to school? All these new areas with ridiculously slow speeds now have bus service. Parents shouldn't allow their children to walk in these areas. If the county wouldn't allow 40 mph on Old Trenton rd why is it 40 mph east of South Main Street?
Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2015, 10:39 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits
Wynnwood does not have bus service to Cranbury School. People speed over 25 in this area. That is why the TC tried to slow cars down entering the 25mph zone. I did the math and it's a difference of approx 17 seconds between 7/10 of a mile at 35 vs 50 mph. Joggers and families on bikes do use Cranbury Neck to go into town.
As the Mayor stated the county not town controls old Trenton Rd. The only one who can tell you why the county did not allow 40 mph is them. As he stated a prior TC tried for 40. No one here can answer your question.
This is why this board is bad. The Mayor comes on tries to give facts and people still want to interject their rumor or issues. If people really had an issue or were the majority then you would have attended the meeting to complain or emailed the TC direct.
