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anon-sos2
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 Posted: Fri, Aug 14 2015, 2:56 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-8876 wrote: | | To all who read this Forum. It would be best for the Community and this Forum if all Posts from NP-42 were ignored. Do not respond to the illogical persistently discontented tantrums that this NP-42 places on this site. Thank You |
Touch a nerve? Perhaps you have a vested stake in this? Aren't people here adults capable of making their own judgements and decisions without you telling them how to think? And do you really think resorting to name calling and insults is the rational response?
From the first couple pages of this topic alone, I counted at least a dozen different posters who seemed to have a similar concern for this process and decision as I do. There may be more but I stopped counting.
I am curious as well for you to quote exactly which comments were "illogical" or "disconnected." I suspect you may not understand the definitions of those words and were just throwing out whatever random insults popped into your head. Although i do find it ironic that you would consider it illogical to request a public entity share the data and process it used to make an important decision. Why are you so resistant to that and why is that illogical? As has been stated many times, the Town Hall personnel either do not have or are not willing to share that information. It is not in the public minutes. It is not on the Township website. Therefore, they have provided absolutely no basis for a member of the community to access it, short of initiating a Freedom of Information Act request. But apparently the idea of democracy, of free access to public information is illogical and disconnected. |
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anon-82s9
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 15 2015, 7:43 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| Here it is friend. Answer this question if you have the nerve. If a child ran out in front of your car would you rather be driving at 50 or 35. If you still object to 35 not only do you need to leave this site but the town as well. Grow up. |
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anon-sos2
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 15 2015, 12:35 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-82s9 wrote: | | Here it is friend. Answer this question if you have the nerve. If a child ran out in front of your car would you rather be driving at 50 or 35. If you still object to 35 not only do you need to leave this site but the town as well. Grow up. |
So by your logic there should be no roads that are 50 anywhere because a child to run into the road anywhere. And why stop at 25? Wouldn't it be better to be going 10 if a child darts in front of your car? You couldn't possibly be serious with the suggestion that anyone who doesn't want to be going 25 or less on any streets should move out of town. I hope you were kidding or you need help.
The segment of road that was changed to 35 is not dense residential. It is rural with a spattering of houses on the segment closer to town and almost total devoid of houses with farmland on the section closer to Applegate.
And still evading the questions I see. Either you don't know the answers, which raises the question of why you could know to support the change without understanding the facts, or you have the answers but are afraid they would not stand up to public scrutiny. |
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anon-0592
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2015, 5:45 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| [quote="anon-82s9"]Here it is friend. Answer this question if you have the nerve. If a child ran out in front of your car would you rather be driving at 50 or 35. If you still object to 35 not only do you need to leave this site but the town as well. Grow up real mature post here. How about you teach your kids not to run out in front of cars, and don't play by major roads. I still like the majority of Cranbury's residents object to 35 mph on Old Trenton road, and am not going to leave the town I was born and raised in. |
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anon-001s
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2015, 8:08 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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[quote="anon-0592"] | anon-82s9 wrote: | | Here it is friend. Answer this question if you have the nerve. If a child ran out in front of your car would you rather be driving at 50 or 35. If you still object to 35 not only do you need to leave this site but the town as well. Grow up real mature post here. How about you teach your kids not to run out in front of cars, and don't play by major roads. I still like the majority of Cranbury's residents object to 35 mph on Old Trenton road, and am not going to leave the town I was born and raised in. |
Ha - That is right!! I object to all these new speed limits - and I am not going to leave this town no matter what!! It is just funny how new people come in this town, stay for a few years so their kids can go to school in Cranbury and Princeton. Change things and then leave.
Also another point, can someone PLEASE tell me when a child was EVER hit by a car on any of these roads?? |
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anon-8q72
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2015, 1:26 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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Good logic, since it has never happened, it therefore won't, very intelligent. I suspect that the people objecting to the remark regarding leaving town, do not have , and/or do not care for other's children, if it means inconvenience to themselves by slowing down.
I think the writer of that remark is saying that if you do not have the regard for Safety of others than it would be best for those who respect Safety if you went elsewhere with your disregard, certainly you do not have to , because it is your right as you have so proclaimed, but you should know that concerned citizens wish you would go live and drive recklessly elsewhere, and they do not care how long you have lived here, you have no more rights to anything than the person who arrived here today.
Cranbury Neck Road in the new 35 Zone has many houses and the people living there deserve your respect for their neighborhood. Certainly all parents teach their children not to play near the street, but won't you momentarily inconvenience yourselves just in case? |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2015, 2:40 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-8q72 wrote: | Good logic, since it has never happened, it therefore won't, very intelligent. I suspect that the people objecting to the remark regarding leaving town, do not have , and/or do not care for other's children, if it means inconvenience to themselves by slowing down.
I think the writer of that remark is saying that if you do not have the regard for Safety of others than it would be best for those who respect Safety if you went elsewhere with your disregard, certainly you do not have to , because it is your right as you have so proclaimed, but you should know that concerned citizens wish you would go live and drive recklessly elsewhere, and they do not care how long you have lived here, you have no more rights to anything than the person who arrived here today.
Cranbury Neck Road in the new 35 Zone has many houses and the people living there deserve your respect for their neighborhood. Certainly all parents teach their children not to play near the street, but won't you momentarily inconvenience yourselves just in case? |
If something has never happened but theoretically could, it doesn't mean it will either. If you are going to reduce speeds based solely on a hypothetical, why stop at 35? Why not change the limit to 5 or 10 MPH like parking lots? Wouldn't that be safer? Why did you magically pick an arbitrary line at 35? And why stop at speed limits? Why not rip out all the play equipment in the schools and parks because kids may get hurt on it. In fact, kids do get hurt on it, which is far more than you can say for the roads in question. So you want to arbitrarily change the speed limit on a couple roads because some child might get hurt but hasn't but not fix every way in town children have been hurt?
It's also not logical to assume that slower speeds make roads more safe. When the roads are rural artificially low speeds can increase tailgating and passing, which creates less safe conditions. You already see this happening on Old Trenton Road all the time now. But that road is wide enough to handle it. Cranbury Neck is not.
And contrary to your claim there is not dense residential housing on this section of road. There are only 15 houses fronting Cranbury Neck along the section increased to 35 MPH, spread out over a considerable distance and most of those are substantially setback from the street. All of these houses have existed with 50 MPH for decades. Most of these homes were built when the street was already that speed and none of the families currently in them likely predate it. |
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anon-001s
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2015, 4:13 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-8q72 wrote: | Good logic, since it has never happened, it therefore won't, very intelligent. I suspect that the people objecting to the remark regarding leaving town, do not have , and/or do not care for other's children, if it means inconvenience to themselves by slowing down.
I think the writer of that remark is saying that if you do not have the regard for Safety of others than it would be best for those who respect Safety if you went elsewhere with your disregard, certainly you do not have to , because it is your right as you have so proclaimed, but you should know that concerned citizens wish you would go live and drive recklessly elsewhere, and they do not care how long you have lived here, you have no more rights to anything than the person who arrived here today.
Cranbury Neck Road in the new 35 Zone has many houses and the people living there deserve your respect for their neighborhood. Certainly all parents teach their children not to play near the street, but won't you momentarily inconvenience yourselves just in case? |
Well guess what - I do care about children and guess what else?? I am not going anywhere. You have way to much time on your hands to worry about speed limits which were this way long before you were. Keep wasting your time!!! Like I said before, all you people who want "change" in this town are going to be the reason this town looses its small town feel. Keep making trouble and changing things. One thing I can say, which half the people on this board cannot say, I grew up here over 60 years ago and got to experience all of the neighbors getting along, no arguing , a small small very small community who helped each other out. So no I am not going anywhere - my friends and I who are from this town years ago will just keep watching all of you "other" people who change things and laugh at the expense of you!! |
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anon-8q72
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2015, 4:23 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| Your changing the subject. At your point in life you should know when you are wrong, please obey the new speed limit. Thanks |
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anon-sp0n
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2015, 5:28 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-8q72 wrote: | | Your changing the subject. At your point in life you should know when you are wrong, please obey the new speed limit. Thanks |
How is that "changing the subject"? Seems more like you have no logical responses to the above posts so all you can do is avoiding answering meaningfully and just continue with your illogical statements, such as now guessing people's ages apparently.
And we're still waiting for the Township to provide data. Though based on the latest posts here trying to defend the topic even if there was no speeding and no accidents, it's likely you know the data doesn't support the change so you had to switch tactics. Try again. |
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anon-4p0s
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| Posted: Thu, Aug 20 2015, 8:21 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| There have been pedestrians, bicyclists, and yes even children struck on Plainsboro Road, North and South Main over the last few years. |
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anon-np42
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 8:32 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-4p0s wrote: | | There have been pedestrians, bicyclists, and yes even children struck on Plainsboro Road, North and South Main over the last few years. |
Okay, but this discussion is about Cranbury Neck.
Still waiting for the Township to make the stats available. |
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anon-7r9n
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 10:12 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-4p0s wrote: | | There have been pedestrians, bicyclists, and yes even children struck on Plainsboro Road, North and South Main over the last few years. |
Okay, but this discussion is about Cranbury Neck.
Still waiting for the Township to make the stats available. |
As has been said before. This isn't a township board. Nor is there a way to put documents on this site nor do we know how big or easy it is to put on a website. So just email town hall and ask. Based on everything here the town is clearly not going to respond. And you could have had an answer weeks ago. |
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anon-n485
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 3:31 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-7r9n wrote: | | anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-4p0s wrote: | | There have been pedestrians, bicyclists, and yes even children struck on Plainsboro Road, North and South Main over the last few years. |
Okay, but this discussion is about Cranbury Neck.
Still waiting for the Township to make the stats available. |
As has been said before. This isn't a township board. Nor is there a way to put documents on this site nor do we know how big or easy it is to put on a website. So just email town hall and ask. Based on everything here the town is clearly not going to respond. And you could have had an answer weeks ago. |
But it is much more fun and entertaining to keep writing how the Township fails to provide the documents without actually contacting them directly. Please keep responding to this poster so they can keep reposting the same thing over and over again.
What is the definition of an idiot? Look it up. Ha ha ha ha ha
If everyone stops posting on this topic, including me it will hopefully go away. |
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anon-np42
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 5:58 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-7r9n wrote: | | anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-4p0s wrote: | | There have been pedestrians, bicyclists, and yes even children struck on Plainsboro Road, North and South Main over the last few years. |
Okay, but this discussion is about Cranbury Neck.
Still waiting for the Township to make the stats available. |
As has been said before. This isn't a township board. Nor is there a way to put documents on this site nor do we know how big or easy it is to put on a website. So just email town hall and ask. Based on everything here the town is clearly not going to respond. And you could have had an answer weeks ago. |
As has been said multiple times before, and consistently ignored in the replies because it allows you to perpetuate the same myth, the Township is not providing this data even when you call or walk in and ask. So stop pretending like they are. So no, you could not have had the answer weeks ago. As for not knowing how "big or easy" it would be to put on their website, this is worth a laugh. It's a simple text document and they have the ability to add as many of those as they want. They do it all the time. That's a non-starter as an excuse. Again, the Township is denying any basis, short of filing a Freedom of Information Act request, to get this information at the moment. And every time someone lies as says they are, we'll post here and respond with the truth. With any luck they eventually will be shamed into providing the info. Doesn't matter whether they do it here, on their website, as a document to be picked up in-person whatever. Once they do, it's easy enough for someone to post here. Right now they are not disclosing the information, period. |
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anon-np42
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| Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 6:00 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-n485 wrote: | | anon-7r9n wrote: | | anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-4p0s wrote: | | There have been pedestrians, bicyclists, and yes even children struck on Plainsboro Road, North and South Main over the last few years. |
Okay, but this discussion is about Cranbury Neck.
Still waiting for the Township to make the stats available. |
As has been said before. This isn't a township board. Nor is there a way to put documents on this site nor do we know how big or easy it is to put on a website. So just email town hall and ask. Based on everything here the town is clearly not going to respond. And you could have had an answer weeks ago. |
But it is much more fun and entertaining to keep writing how the Township fails to provide the documents without actually contacting them directly. Please keep responding to this poster so they can keep reposting the same thing over and over again.
What is the definition of an idiot? Look it up. Ha ha ha ha ha
If everyone stops posting on this topic, including me it will hopefully go away. |
Again, a straight-up lie. It's been posted at least two or three times above that contacting the Township directly has been attempted. When you intentionally ignore that, it's clear you have an agenda in pretending this information is publicly available. We'll keep speaking the truth until they are shamed into providing it. Makes no difference whether they do it here or at Town Hall. |
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