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Curious-sp73
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 Posted: Mon, Dec 7 2015, 5:58 am EST Post subject: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| I'm just wondering how and who do I need to speak to about getting permission to hunt on the Hagerty and Fischer properties? I know the Township owns these properties. I was walking around on the both properties yesterday and noticed alot of portable deer stands, a portable hunting blind and cameras. When I saw one of the hunters putting corn out for today's opening shotgun season I asked him who I needed to speak to and he said that he had never spoken to anyone about hunting there and it has never been posted. I know you need to have written permission to go on somebodies property to hunt. |
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anon-s6p5
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 7 2015, 8:18 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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It is considered open space park land. It is not private property. If someone is hunting there especially with the proximity to the homes I imagine it will not end well for the person doing it. This TC is very diligent around safety. I imagine if someone is caught doing this that it will not be as in the past where the person is just asked to leave. But, I imagine that the TC will ensure the Police Department does their fullest to adhere to the maximum penalty. Especially as this is one of Shade Trees and Enviornmental Commissions jewels and wildlife are a large part of it.
It is akin to setting up a hunting area in village park. |
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James Taylor
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 7 2015, 9:52 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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I want to thank the original poster who appears to be a responsible hunter.
As with most things there are responsible hunters and there are non-responsible hunters.
I have not visited the site so I cannot attest to what is out there. However, I can verify that hunting on public land is NOT ALLOWED.
From our code book on public land chp 108-4: No person shall hunt, molest, harm, frighten, kill, trap, pursue, chase, shoot or throw objects at any animal, wildlife, reptile or bird nor shall any person remove or have in his possession any animal, reptile or bird. No person shall engage in target practice of any kind using any weapon, including but not limited to a rifle, shotgun, handgun or bow and arrow.
If someone is hunting on public land than we will work with the appropriate authorities and ensure that the matter is dealt with appropriately.
As mentioned above, we take pride in the public land and want people to walk safely in these areas and enjoy the wildlife. |
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Thank You-4p7r
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 7 2015, 1:46 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| I just want to say that I saw that yellow signs were put up for those properties. Thank You Jay Taylor for having these signs installed so quickl. I can't beleive that this slipped by everybody for such a long time. Thank you again for all you do to help keep Cranbury safe . |
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Yepper-sp79
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| Posted: Tue, Dec 8 2015, 9:09 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| Since a farmer who plants the fields has a lease with Cranbury township I beleive that it automatically gives the farmer the right to hunt the property to control loss of crop and damage? But I would think Cranbury township would at least tell people that they couldn't walk on the property from a certain date to a certain date(hunting season) to avoid someone from accidently getting hurt. |
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spellchekker-9488
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| Posted: Tue, Dec 8 2015, 7:45 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| thats 'believe' |
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checkinthechecker-0542
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| Posted: Wed, Dec 9 2015, 8:36 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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That's "that's"
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James Taylor
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| Posted: Wed, Dec 9 2015, 9:44 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| Yepper-sp79 wrote: | | Since a farmer who plants the fields has a lease with Cranbury township I beleive that it automatically gives the farmer the right to hunt the property to control loss of crop and damage? But I would think Cranbury township would at least tell people that they couldn't walk on the property from a certain date to a certain date(hunting season) to avoid someone from accidently getting hurt. |
Our code book states the following:
Chapter 110-6 Prohibitions on Hunting
A. No person shall hunt, shoot, kill or remove any animal, whether by gun or other firearm, by bow and arrow, crossbow or other weapon, on any lands under the control of or owned by the Township of Cranbury.
B. Notwithstanding the above-mentioned provision, nothing in this section shall apply to any person authorized by the Township Administrator, Chief of Police or Township Committee to hunt, shoot, kill or otherwise remove any animal on Township-owned lands for the purpose of the protection of persons or property or in the interests of the public welfare.
Despite the land being leased, it is still owned by the Township.
I did ask the question as to whether point B applies to any properties we lease. While I do not recall seeing any such agreements, they may pre-date my time on the TC.
Again, it is highly illegal and unsafe to hunt on the Hagerty property where the trees are planted.
If anyone is hunting on Township land and they are not protected via the sole exception above then we will fully enforce the law including involving the Game Warden. |
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anon-1q21
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| Posted: Fri, Dec 11 2015, 8:33 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| spellchekker-9488 wrote: | | thats 'believe' |
Get a life and stop wasting time here. You're wasting time and space here being a smart a$$ |
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Bruce Perrine-7o51
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 20 2015, 1:08 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| My name is Bruce Perrine and I am the one who was hunting the Fisher property. With that being said I will tell you that no one ever approached me in regards to hunt there. I wish that the person who started this forum would state their name or the name of the so called deer hunter putting out corn. There is a firearm free zone that covers the Fisher property and Hagerty property. That means no gun hunting!!! This was put into place when Tom Gambino was mayor. That would tell you that this so called hunter is either made up or a trespasser. Please check your facts before you make up stories. I hunted that property with permission, proper insurance and with respect to the game laws. |
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anon-n6o0
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 20 2015, 4:19 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| Bruce Perrine-7o51 wrote: | | My name is Bruce Perrine and I am the one who was hunting the Fisher property. With that being said I will tell you that no one ever approached me in regards to hunt there. I wish that the person who started this forum would state their name or the name of the so called deer hunter putting out corn. There is a firearm free zone that covers the Fisher property and Hagerty property. That means no gun hunting!!! This was put into place when Tom Gambino was mayor. That would tell you that this so called hunter is either made up or a trespasser. Please check your facts before you make up stories. I hunted that property with permission, proper insurance and with respect to the game laws. |
I want to be clear I am not accusing any wrong doing. I do not know.
Bruce, it seems you may have been bow hunting, I guess. From the mayor's post it seems there are very tight restrictions and that the Mayor was unaware of any permission to hunt. The town code prohibits fire arm, bow or other manner on township owned land.
If nothing else since you might want to call the town now and get clarity on your permission to be safe or get it updated. If basing your permission on approval from the Tom Gambino time or from the tenant farmer you may find that permission is not valid. Better to be safe and check then to find out your permission is not valid and you have an issue after the fact with game laws in NJ.
I do appreciate your honesty. If your permission is inforce then another hunter may be out there and that creates a safety issue for you. |
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Bruce Perrine-7o51
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 20 2015, 4:47 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| You really have no idea what you are talking about. It seems to me that you have some sort of a hidden agenda. Anyone reading these should pay no attention to you unless you acknowledge who you are. Do you get your understanding of firearms from action movies? |
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anon-s6p5
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 20 2015, 10:39 pm EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| Bruce Perrine-7o51 wrote: | | You really have no idea what you are talking about. It seems to me that you have some sort of a hidden agenda. Anyone reading these should pay no attention to you unless you acknowledge who you are. Do you get your understanding of firearms from action movies? |
With all due respect, your post seems unwarranted.
All that was stated was that you said you were hunting, you said it is a gun free zone, and the person said they guessed you were bow hunting. What does that have to do with knowledge of fire arms why attack the poster?
The Mayor posted the ordinance above with his name and citing the ordinance stating that there is no hunting regardless of means on township owned land. He also stated that the Town will be strictly enforcing hunting and game laws which means potential prosecution.
That to prevent any legal trouble you might want to verify that your permission still exists since it seems the Mayor is unaware of anyone having a right to hunt these properties. If the Police and Game Warden are of the same view and if whatever authorization you have expired it can create issues for you.
No one is attacking you, but the last post seems to be someone trying to help you from getting into a bad situation. If you have a right to hunt and I don't doubt you do, then you should make sure you verify that right with the town.
If someone else who does not have a right is out there, isn't that something you'd want to know about? I stopped hunting because of a couple of encounters with unsafe hunters who were hunting illegally and trespassing. |
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anon-7o51
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 21 2015, 7:05 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| Anonymous people with hidden agendas.....please explain to me why you can no longer fish the stream? |
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anon-s6p5
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 21 2015, 7:17 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| You can fish the stream just as you can fish the township lake. |
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So sad-4p3r
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| Posted: Tue, Dec 22 2015, 9:08 am EST Post subject: Re: Hunting Hagerty and Fischer property |
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| Bruce, why would you want to shoot defensless animals?? |
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