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Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2008, 8:37 am EDT Post subject: What are our police doing? |
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Yesterday afternoon during rush hour, I noticed two police cars (one was the white car you usually see on Plainsboro Rd.) stationed on the corner of Rt. 130 and Old Trenton Rd. They apparently were stopping and ticketing people using the right-hand shoulder on Rt. 130 South as a right-turn lane to turn onto Old Trenton Rd.
This is ridiculous. Our police should be out patrolling our town and ticketing speeders and reckless drivers, not hanging out stopping people who are actually driving in a safe manner. (There should be a right turn lane here. Making a right from the travel lane can be dangerous and impedes the flow of traffic). |
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Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2008, 9:33 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Totally agree. I didn't see them doing that, but it is ridiculous to ticket for that and you're correct that it is actually safer and better driving to pull to the right before turning there anyway.
Meanwhile I rarely see them actually pulling over the speeders. I often see empty parked cruisers around as a deterrent I guess but they don't actually man them. I also see them on Trenton a lot but rarely ticketing the limit is legally 50 miles anyway. |
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Joined: Tue, Mar 18 2008, 9:49 am EDT Posts: 126 Location: Cranbury, NJ
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Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2008, 10:11 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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The right hand turn on Rt 130 and Old Trenton Rd is very dangerous. There should be a right hand turn lane. The previous poster is correct that turning from the travel lane impedes traffic flow. A more dangerous issue is someone in the travel lane taking a right turn and someone moving into the break down lane passing a line of cars on the right hand side in order to take a right turn. This is a scenario that has a potential for an accident, I have witnessed some near-miss collissions. I would guess the police are trying to prevent that type of accident but the real solution is a right hand turn lane. |
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Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2008, 10:34 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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I agree -- please ticket more speeders. If you look at the police reports, they give out fewer speeding tickets than other types. Dont fault the drivers for poor road / intersection construction and lack of planning. Its self preservation. |
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Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2008, 10:41 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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I totally agree that there should be a right turn lane from Rt-130 South to Old Trenton Rd.
I saw a discussion of doing just that before. But somehow this discussion resulted no change at all.
Maybe Carnabury police is using this a "revenue" source (a.k.a a golden goose), because drivers are likely to make a right turn through the shoulder lane. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 7:28 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Guest wrote: | Yesterday afternoon during rush hour, I noticed two police cars (one was the white car you usually see on Plainsboro Rd.) stationed on the corner of Rt. 130 and Old Trenton Rd. They apparently were stopping and ticketing people using the right-hand shoulder on Rt. 130 South as a right-turn lane to turn onto Old Trenton Rd.
This is ridiculous. Our police should be out patrolling our town and ticketing speeders and reckless drivers, not hanging out stopping people who are actually driving in a safe manner. (There should be a right turn lane here. Making a right from the travel lane can be dangerous and impedes the flow of traffic). |
Do you actually believe that cars passing other cars in the shoulder 10-15 cars at a time at 30-40mph is not reckless? or dangerous?
This happens to me all the time coming home, I'm glad they are trying to deterr this type of aggressive driving ! |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 7:29 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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I see the police in the village all the time enforcing the speed limit.
You need to stop picking on the police. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 7:49 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | Yesterday afternoon during rush hour, I noticed two police cars (one was the white car you usually see on Plainsboro Rd.) stationed on the corner of Rt. 130 and Old Trenton Rd. They apparently were stopping and ticketing people using the right-hand shoulder on Rt. 130 South as a right-turn lane to turn onto Old Trenton Rd.
This is ridiculous. Our police should be out patrolling our town and ticketing speeders and reckless drivers, not hanging out stopping people who are actually driving in a safe manner. (There should be a right turn lane here. Making a right from the travel lane can be dangerous and impedes the flow of traffic). |
Do you actually believe that cars passing other cars in the shoulder 10-15 cars at a time at 30-40mph is not reckless? or dangerous?
This happens to me all the time coming home, I'm glad they are trying to deterr this type of aggressive driving ! |
This isn't what they described. They described police ticketing the people who are safely pulling to the right to turn right. How is that reckless? There was nothing about speeding mentioned.
How exactly is it safer or responsible for people to brake to a stop against a green light in the right lane of a two-lane state highway where people are traveling at least 50 miles an hour to complete their turn, thus causing some people behind them to stop short and others to try to whisk over to the left lane to avoid the sudden stop? |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 7:56 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Guest wrote: | I see the police in the village all the time enforcing the speed limit.
You need to stop picking on the police. |
How is this "picking" on the police? None of this has been personally directed.
These posts are simply questioning the how we as a Township should prioritize their limited time. Isn't that what citizens are supposed to do in a democracy? What do you suggest is the alternative -- that we simply let the police make all their own decisions and no matter what not question it? That describes a "police state." Sorry, but I was under the impression the U.S.A. was a democracy (or a republic technically).
Your comment makes about as much sense as the idea that people should never peacefully and respectfully question whether we send troops to a given part of the world or conflict because to question their use is "not supporting the troops." That is a stupid contradiction of speech invented to try and quell healthy democratic discussion when politicians are short on legitimate arguments and reasons.
All the people here are looking for is a rational, well reasoned explanation for the policy. If there is one, great. If not, as a Township we should re-direct the police's efforts as is our responsibility as well as right as the local citizens. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 8:47 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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There seems to be some confusion here.
I believe the police won't ticket you if you are making a right without any cars parked ahead waiting for lights, even if you cross the solid white line just before your turn. But don't travel on the shoulder lane too long to make the turn.
If you are trying to make a right turn through the shoulder lane while there are cars *ahead* of you (i.e. you are passing other cars through shoulder lane to make the turn), then you might get a ticket if the police sees your act.
I think it's a good idea to add a right turn only lane there to ease congestion. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 8:58 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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confusion? wrote: |
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I think it's a good idea to add a right turn only lane there to ease congestion. |
Doing that may make the residents of Crangury Greene very difficult to make a left turn out of Crangury Greene onto Old Trenton West (and then to Main St.) during rush hours. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 10:43 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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confusion? wrote: | There seems to be some confusion here.
I believe the police won't ticket you if you are making a right without any cars parked ahead waiting for lights, even if you cross the solid white line just before your turn. But don't travel on the shoulder lane too long to make the turn.
If you are trying to make a right turn through the shoulder lane while there are cars *ahead* of you (i.e. you are passing other cars through shoulder lane to make the turn), then you might get a ticket if the police sees your act.
I think it's a good idea to add a right turn only lane there to ease congestion. |
What are you basing this clarification on? It's not reflected in the original posters comments. Did the police tell you this is what they would do? Otherwise isn't it speculation?
Having read this post yesterday when I was at the intersection today, stuck behind a huge truck, I put my turn signal on and watsed the entire light cycle full in the regular lane while car after car behind me did what they always did and pull to the right shoulder, drive past me and turn right. One of them even gave me a look of confusion while they passed because they couldn't figure out why I was waiting in the regular lane when the right shoulder was clear... Then when the light turned green I naturally obstructed traffic by conducting my turn, awkwardly, from all the way over in the regular lane, careful never to cross the white line... Dumb. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 11:06 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Guest wrote: | confusion? wrote: | There seems to be some confusion here.
I believe the police won't ticket you if you are making a right without any cars parked ahead waiting for lights, even if you cross the solid white line just before your turn. But don't travel on the shoulder lane too long to make the turn.
If you are trying to make a right turn through the shoulder lane while there are cars *ahead* of you (i.e. you are passing other cars through shoulder lane to make the turn), then you might get a ticket if the police sees your act.
I think it's a good idea to add a right turn only lane there to ease congestion. |
What are you basing this clarification on? It's not reflected in the original posters comments. Did the police tell you this is what they would do? Otherwise isn't it speculation?
Having read this post yesterday when I was at the intersection today, stuck behind a huge truck, I put my turn signal on and watsed the entire light cycle full in the regular lane while car after car behind me did what they always did and pull to the right shoulder, drive past me and turn right. One of them even gave me a look of confusion while they passed because they couldn't figure out why I was waiting in the regular lane when the right shoulder was clear... Then when the light turned green I naturally obstructed traffic by conducting my turn, awkwardly, from all the way over in the regular lane, careful never to cross the white line... Dumb. |
If you don't believe me, you can do the following to test my speculation:
When a police car is present and red light is on, drive on the shoulder lane to pass all the cars in front to make a right turn.
The reason those drivers drove on the shoulder lane was because there was no police in sight, and they were taking their chances.
What you did obeys the traffic laws, and you should not feel dumb or bad for obeying the laws, even if others are breaking them. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 11:27 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Warnings or explanations of what the driver should do should be given out by the police. If its a confusing area, why would a ticket be given out? It seems that doing what the police want you to do at this light is more likely to cause an accident.
Concerning speeding tickets -- Cranbury police used to police Main street and Plainsboro road ruthlessly (maybe 10-14 years ago?) They were known for it thoughout the state. There used to be a car monitoring speed just about every day on Plainsboro road. And I'm sure that was with a smaller police force. So what happened since then? I'm not sure. I can only guess -- perhaps the growth? Warehouses? They do a decent job at looking for speeders, but it just doesnt seem to be the same as it was. |
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Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 11:27 am EDT Post subject: Re: What are our police doing? |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | confusion? wrote: | There seems to be some confusion here.
I believe the police won't ticket you if you are making a right without any cars parked ahead waiting for lights, even if you cross the solid white line just before your turn. But don't travel on the shoulder lane too long to make the turn.
If you are trying to make a right turn through the shoulder lane while there are cars *ahead* of you (i.e. you are passing other cars through shoulder lane to make the turn), then you might get a ticket if the police sees your act.
I think it's a good idea to add a right turn only lane there to ease congestion. |
What are you basing this clarification on? It's not reflected in the original posters comments. Did the police tell you this is what they would do? Otherwise isn't it speculation?
Having read this post yesterday when I was at the intersection today, stuck behind a huge truck, I put my turn signal on and watsed the entire light cycle full in the regular lane while car after car behind me did what they always did and pull to the right shoulder, drive past me and turn right. One of them even gave me a look of confusion while they passed because they couldn't figure out why I was waiting in the regular lane when the right shoulder was clear... Then when the light turned green I naturally obstructed traffic by conducting my turn, awkwardly, from all the way over in the regular lane, careful never to cross the white line... Dumb. |
If you don't believe me, you can do the following to test my speculation:
When a police car is present and red light is on, drive on the shoulder lane to pass all the cars in front to make a right turn.
The reason those drivers drove on the shoulder lane was because there was no police in sight, and they were taking their chances.
What you did obeys the traffic laws, and you should not feel dumb or bad for obeying the laws, even if others are breaking them. |
I don't feel dumb because they passed me and I waited. I feel the dumb because I was doing more harm by impeding traffic once I did turn than if I had just pulled over to the shoulder to turn. |
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