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Jersey Dad
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 Posted: Mon, Mar 9 2009, 10:54 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| same here wrote: | | If a 7/24 7-11 store opens at the PNC location, then that will be a big concern for me. On the east side of RT-130 is not that bad. |
Then, I would ask that you have a little more empathy for your neighbors. It sounds like you can understand their concerns. Even though it sounds like the ocean, Route 130 is not some great divide, like the turnpike, or a river. It is much wider than Old Trenton Rd. The properties of the neighbors on the other side of the street back right up to 130. Everyone understands that half of this town is within a block of Route 130, but that doesn't mean we have to set a new, lower standard. Plus, 7-11 can be very successful without staying open 24 hours. So what's the problem with having them conform to the hours of other area businesses and address certain basic neighborhood concerns? Make the place nice, be sensitive to noise and light pollution, take safety precautions, keep non-intrusive hours. These aren't unreasonable requests and 7-11 may not even have a problem with complying. |
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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT
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Location: Cranbury Estates
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| Posted: Mon, Mar 9 2009, 11:09 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Guest wrote: | | I dont think 7-11 poses any more of a threat than the existing liquor store and gas stations. I think that a few of the gas stations have been robbed in the last year or 2. I even remember something about the clerk being beaten with a gun. |
Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would be concerned... |
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Jersey Dad
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| Posted: Mon, Mar 9 2009, 11:25 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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It looks like taxes on this property are about $5,000. Does anyone know what the anticipated difference will be with the 7-11? How much is the tax difference between a 7-11 with limited hours vs. a 24 hour 7-11?
Also, does anyone know who owns this property? I wonder if this decision impacts the rental value of the property. |
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 8:02 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| If developed the property would raise between 20,000-30,000 in rateables estimated. |
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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT
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Location: Cranbury Estates
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 9:10 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Thanks. Do you know (roughly) what the tax revenue difference would be between a 7-11 with neighborhood friendly business hours vs. a 24 hour 7-11? |
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Guest
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 10:04 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Doubt anything. I was asking one of the business owners in town who had looked at the land at one point. That was the estimated tax if it were developed according to what is possible to put in size wise based on the setbacks. |
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Guest
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 11:03 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Jersey Dad wrote: | | Thanks. Do you know (roughly) what the tax revenue difference would be between a 7-11 with neighborhood friendly business hours vs. a 24 hour 7-11? |
You assumption that a 24 hour store will bring in unruly people and that will be robbed during the night is unfounded. Your fears preceed you and are forgetting that our own residential homes where broken into last year during the daytime and early evening while people were home. No business can be guaranteed to be 100% safe from robbers.
Really, what do you consider "neighborhood friendly business hours"?
I gather from your last several posts you would prefer nothing there at all, but it is a major commercial road and will be developed eventually. Not only that, the homes on the opposite side of the road have trees and fences blocking the view of route 130 and possible 130D site will be blocking it further.
My view is that I rather go to 7-11 in Cranbury then giving all my money to East Windsor 7-11, Shoprite, Farmers Market, CVS, etc. |
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Guest
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 11:14 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| It seems to me that Jersey Dad is not so much against 7/11 as he is against late hrs. Thats understandable. However, when you live near a highway, one must be prepared for those uses which are consistant with that highway. LIving near there he is wise to at least try to safeguard as much as possible ex. lighting, buffers... |
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Jersey Mom
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 11:52 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Bottom line is: if 7-11 or any other place wants to open there - it most likely will. Unless one of you Cranbury folk want to take the money out of your pocket and buy that land.If 7-11 does not go their eventually something else will. What is so great about Cranbury that WE should not have any businesses on RT 130 part of CRANBURY?? But its ok for south brunswick e. windsor - Even PRINCETON!!!! I guess you people think little cranbury should be sheltered from the big bad outside world!!! |
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Cranbury
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 12:07 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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My view is that I don't like the idea of a 24hr convenience store and I don't live near the site. The question is can an ordinance be passed prohibiting this before a formal plan is submitted before the Planning Board? If not, I don't believe there is a legal standing to prohibiting the hours. I don't want a law suit over hours. So the only other option is to deny the variances required if they don't want to work with the town.
The other issue I see is the development. I would not say Cranbury should be isolated. However, I would say there should be a plan of how we want the area to look. Simply because it is Rt. 130 does not mean we need it to look like the E. Windsor section. You can work with the developers to design a look for the town and not a mishmash of different properties, looks and styles. |
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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 12:54 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Cranbury wrote: | My view is that I don't like the idea of a 24hr convenience store and I don't live near the site. The question is can an ordinance be passed prohibiting this before a formal plan is submitted before the Planning Board? If not, I don't believe there is a legal standing to prohibiting the hours. I don't want a law suit over hours. So the only other option is to deny the variances required if they don't want to work with the town.
The other issue I see is the development. I would not say Cranbury should be isolated. However, I would say there should be a plan of how we want the area to look. Simply because it is Rt. 130 does not mean we need it to look like the E. Windsor section. You can work with the developers to design a look for the town and not a mishmash of different properties, looks and styles. |
I agree. Thank you for making this point more eloquently than I. |
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 10 2009, 12:58 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Wow, Jersey Mom. What an intellectual outlook! So, we should make no effort to guide our own future in Cranbury? Let's lower the bar, instead of rising to the occasion and keeping it a place worth living in? Great attitude. Now I remember why I stopped reading this forum. |
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Observant
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| Posted: Wed, Mar 11 2009, 9:44 am EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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Jersey Mom,
I applaud your attitude! You are a progressive thinker and have summed up my feelings perfectly.
If Cranburians want to be isolated, move to Montana!!! One gets tired of all the crying about taxes, but wants no new ratables to come in, huh interesting???!!!
Stop the whining |
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Guest
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| Posted: Wed, Mar 11 2009, 2:37 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Cranbury is a historic town and we have walkable neighborhoods all of whom have a design. I am all for rateables and I think most people are like me. However, that does not mean you simply plop down whatever you want without regard for look or long term planning. The problem with 130 is that it can be rather ugly. 7-11 is looking for advice and we need to ensure companies that open up do work within the framework of design. You don't want an ugly Rt 130 area surrounding the downtown historic district. |
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Guest
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| Posted: Wed, Mar 11 2009, 3:27 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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I sure 7-11 and Cranbury can work together on a design and Design is not the issue. It seems that folks just do not want 7-11 or any other business to come into Cranbury and use the excuse that 24 hours is a bad thing, security issues, bright lights, quality life issues, etc. They try to make it extremely difficult and hope the owners will just go away on their own.
Frankly, due to my working and family hours, I love shopping after hours. It is peaceful no kids screaming and no crowds. I tend to work late and find that 7-11 would be a benefit since it is a convenience store. Often I might need something for a recipe for the next day and don't have the time in the morning to run out. So, I opt for shoprite (if it's not too late), CVS or 7-11 in east windsor. Many times, we leave early for a family trip and it would be nice to have an option besides Dunkin Donuts.
I think 7-11 will be beneficial to Cranbury. |
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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT
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Location: Cranbury Estates
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| Posted: Wed, Mar 11 2009, 5:00 pm EDT Post subject: Re: 7 eleven |
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| Guest wrote: | | I sure 7-11 and Cranbury can work together on a design and Design is not the issue. It seems that folks just do not want 7-11 or any other business to come into Cranbury and use the excuse that 24 hours is a bad thing, security issues, bright lights, quality life issues, etc. They try to make it extremely difficult and hope the owners will just go away on their own. |
I don't understand the many posts from "guest", and others, which suggest that the ONLY choice is between ALL or NOTHING. 7-11 started this process by reaching out to neighbors. This suggests that they expected neighbors to have concerns and that they are willing to work with the community to find solutions. Furthermore, I haven't read a single post protesting the existence of 7-11. Instead, the posts I've read (and posted) have focused on specific neighborhood concerns and potential solutions for harmonious co-existence.
The fact that some of the anonymous posts have been so insistent on turning this into an ALL or NOTHING issue leads me to believe that we either have some serious slurpy addicts in Cranbury, or that some of the posts may be prompted by ulterior motives.
Whatever the case may be, I will reiterate my opinion, which is that we should be focused on growing tax revenue AND addressing the concerns of the neighbors. |
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