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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT Posts: 179 Location: Cranbury Estates
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Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 4:00 pm EST Post subject: Re: The 11/24/08 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Guest,
You are correct that we are "hoping" to get some undetermined amount of grant money for rental housing. However, we refused to write the flexibility into the plan that would allow us to sell some units if the grants don't materialize, or are insignificant. The fact is, we aren't even willing to consider selling some of the units, despite the potential financial positives. I think it would be fiscally responsible to at least run the numbers.
Also, where was all the concern about fiscal responsibility when we bought the 130 D Site? The Township had other more affordable options. And why did we pay 55 percent more than assesed value for the land when we could have acquired it through eminent domain? Of course that's water under the bridge at this point. However, my point is, to defend this one aspect of the plan on the grounds of fiscal responsibility is ridiculous in the greater context of the decisions that have been made.
My bigger point here is a concern about the process. Rather than give due consideration to points raised in the public comment period, our COAH Consultants seem hell bent on defending every aspect of the plan, despite the logical inconsistencies that arise (of which there are several examples). The concerted and vigorous effort to defend illogical and/or inconsistent positions is very concerning. It suggests that some planners feel the outcome has been predetermined, irregardless of public opinion, and that the opportunities for public comment are in fact a "waste of time" as has been suggested by one of our COAH planners.
I hold out hope that this is not the case. |
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Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 4:11 pm EST Post subject: Re: The 11/24/08 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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fair market value at the time what was it cost the township for the land, "eminent domain" should only be used in an emergency by the township. |
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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT Posts: 179 Location: Cranbury Estates
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Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 4:45 pm EST Post subject: Re: The 11/24/08 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Guest,
The available data suggests the purchase price was well above "fair market value". However, it sounds as though you may have some inside information on "fair market value". Care to share? |
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Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 6:21 pm EST Post subject: Re: The 11/24/08 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Just out of curiosity, the town had not gone through the reassement when the land was purchased, so how does one conclude fair market based on the tax roles at the time. Fair market to me at that time would be whatever someone would pay. |
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Jersey Dad
Joined: Tue, May 20 2008, 11:02 pm EDT Posts: 179 Location: Cranbury Estates
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Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 7:30 pm EST Post subject: Re: The 11/24/08 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Check out new jersey by the numbers on the Star-Ledger web site. The land was sold for $525k in 2004. The 2005 COAH plan estimated the cost of acquisition at $600k (and indicated the township would take the land through eminent domain, if necessary). The property was re-assessed in 2007 for just under $650k. The township bought it in the same year as the re-assessment for over $1 million. Either the re-assessment was low by several hundred thousand dollars, or the township paid a premium instead of choosing more affordable options..
That said, the town bought the land and now we have to figure out the right thing to do with it. There is not much use revisiting the past. Any concerns about fiscal responsibility should have been raised before the purchase. Instead, they are being raised now as justification for experimenting with larger, higher-density complexes in the village. In my opinion, the right thing to do is to be consistent with the other small scale, high quality, CHA developments interspersed throughout the village. |
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