The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 14 2010, 11:07 am EDT    Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn Reply with quote

Mr.Wow, there is no ax to grind with the TC, just a possible ethics question regarding the builder who was awarded the contract for the barn and his close relationship with the person who has the power to award that contract. The TC ought to be interested enough in that, but you glossed right over that part. Why are you so protective of the TC anyway? Everything concerning the public should be allowed to be openly discussed and debated without people getting angry and insulting, like you.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 14 2010, 12:02 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

guest17 wrote:
not sure I have it so wrong. you try to make it sound better, but there is nothing in what I have posted that is not correct, and you have confirmed much of it. what you have not addressed is that the barn is on Township land.


Wait, so you're claim of Township involvement and conflict is because they own the land (which is called Barn Park and is specifically intended for showcasing historicaly preserved barns) that the historical society is paying to put a donated historic barn on? Is that a joke? If not, it's at least a stretch.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 14 2010, 3:36 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Mr.Wow, there is no ax to grind with the TC, just a possible ethics question regarding the builder who was awarded the contract for the barn and his close relationship with the person who has the power to award that contract. The TC ought to be interested enough in that, but you glossed right over that part. Why are you so protective of the TC anyway? Everything concerning the public should be allowed to be openly discussed and debated without people getting angry and insulting, like you.


Not protective, just want to deal in facts not rumor and this follows the false thread about Old Trenton Rd. The fact is that the taxes we pay are not going to the project no township money is going to the project and the TC decision was a year ago to allow the Society to proceed spending their money. That the funds being used are Society funds and the board vetted the proposals. The only township impact is the land where barns are today. If someone wants to donate a playset to the park should I care where that playset is bought because it is a town park or be thankful someone wants to donate something of value.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 14 2010, 7:06 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Mr.Wow, there is no ax to grind with the TC, just a possible ethics question regarding the builder who was awarded the contract for the barn and his close relationship with the person who has the power to award that contract. The TC ought to be interested enough in that, but you glossed right over that part. Why are you so protective of the TC anyway? Everything concerning the public should be allowed to be openly discussed and debated without people getting angry and insulting, like you.


For the record, We were asked to bid the Parsonage Barn Project as one of five bidders (including two other builders from Cranbury). The final decision for the winning bid was made by CHPS and I signed a contract with the Historical Society President today. CHPS is paying our team to build a foundation, and apply siding, roofing & exterior finishes to the Historic Barn Frame. The Township is paying for NJ Barn Co to repair and assemble that historic barn structure. Mark Berkowsky did not personally select me for CHPS nor did he show any favoritism for me to get the work. Our team has bid on several projects for Mark's firm in the past (many which were given to other contractors). We submitted a sealed bid to CHPS (presumably along with the other bidders) to be considered for the work in this town that I have called home for nearly 20 years. We were told that the total cost of our proposal was very close to the funds that CHPS had planned for the work.

I have known Mark & Nadine Berkowsky since I moved here as well as many others (political and non-political). I have volunteered coutless hours since I arrived and made many friends along the way. I've served the Lions Club for over 10 years, and continue to act as CHA treaurer for the past 7 years. I was asked to join CHA by Becky Beauregard when she stepped down to become a comittee member several years ago. I have also given hours and hours of building advice to any one who asks at no charge and without reservation. I've donated time, money and expertise to the school, the scouts, CHPS as well as CBPA. Some years ago we put a roof on the leaking Cranbury PD (office trailer) HQ for the cost of the shingles only.

I can't understand why anyone would think that I did not deserve to build a simple barn in this town. If you think I'm doing someting wrong - call me at 609-860-1900 and let me know - I'd be glad to answer any questions that you may have.

Please stop spreading bogus rumors and try to believe that there are still some of us out there that have the ethics to do the right thing.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 14 2010, 10:53 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn Reply with quote

Sorry, that last sentence is particularly laughable on several levels.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 11:38 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Hello here are my notes from last nights meeting...

Township Committee Meeting 6/14/2009

To start the evening off our first responders in Cranbury were honored for their years of service.

Affordable Housing -
The s-1 bill looks good Cranbury if the 7.5 % of homes must be affordable language stays in the bill as we already exceed that number

Trash moving to town contract and not individual home owners

- The Committee discuss moving from individual trash service to the town negotiating one contract for all. The discussion centered on have a referendum in November.

Some questions of note raised were as follows

- What if home owners are in existing contracts that could be multi year with a trash service?

-The new town contracted trash pickup would be a tax assessed within your property taxes thus it is not use based and contradicts what was done recently with the sewers in town as they are use based and not a tax based on property value. As a result the more your home costs the more you pay for trash pickup and the less you pay for trash pickup if your home is lower priced

- Will this service if provided via contract by the town be once a week pickup pr twice? Many in town prefer one or the other

Shadow Oaks Easements

- The parks commission presented about wanting to mark easements between homes in shadow oaks as to define access to the Millstone. Specifically this is on Washington in shadow oaks. One idea was to mark the curbs with a symbol that represents the access points. Some issues raised by residents were safety

- that the trails were not really open as they are overgrown, so why are we really doing this?.

-Comments were made that things are fine the way they are. One person called them the easements to no where.

Reinhardt Property Acquisition

- 60 acres - reached out for funding, however we have none but state or county should contribute to this in the end.

Cranbury Housing
Rt 130 d to be presented to the planning board july 1st

Four Seasons:
Their is a December 2009 resolution that k Hovanian is in default of of bonds and needs to rectify a punch list or lose their bonds. The concern now is the bonds expire in August. The engineer did review and said - 68 trees deficient - a performance bond was already given back andnow working on maintenance bond with no escrow -

The tree issues are:

-The wrong trees were planted and died or are dying

- The hole is half the size of ball which casueses the trees to die

- Trees were planted in clay

- Wire was meshing left on the tree bulb
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 12:26 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Dan,

Good notes and thanks. However, your post leads to some questions.

1) On Trash one container or multiple? If it is one day a week, but multiple containers then the number of days of collection does not matter.

2) What is the cost? I get it is in my taxes, but so is everything else. I don't have kids in school, but I pay more than my neighbor who has 3 kids. All of our expenses except sewer and water are in the tax base.

I pay 17k (higher than average) and change in taxes, but if that means I am paying less than 600 a year I still benefit (I pay 160 a quarter). My neighbor pays about 120 a quarter. So if he's less than 480, he's still ahead and if he gets twice a week he's better off than today. If you know the average cost as per the average home assessment the calc is fairly simple to see if we benefit or lose. The end result may be that I am paying less than today and can still write it off on my taxes. Which means to me $$$.

Let's also not forget not every resident is on sewer, we all generate garbage. So not exactly a fair comparison. If there is one container of X size or two containers of X size then we all will have the same amount of garbage.

3) On the easements.
- Do they exist today?
- Where does it lead? I get no where because it is over grown, but where does it lead to if it is winter or I cut my way through? Is it to a preserve or park type land
- If they exist and people do not know what's wrong with saying here they are? Or is this a case of I moved next to the Turnpike and now the town needs to do something about the noise?
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 12:56 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Guest wrote:


Thanks and just to clarify my notes are basically comments from the other members of the audience. I did however try to answer some of your questions below with my additional thoughts where needed.

Dan,

Good notes and thanks. However, your post leads to some questions.

1) On Trash one container or multiple? If it is one day a week, but multiple containers then the number of days of collection does not matter.

This is to be determiend by the Committee- however either way I feel we should all have at least the same capacity as we have now. For instance I currently have two day a week pick up here at my home. I would expect the new serivice to be two days a week as well as I do not want trash sitting for a week in my yard. With that I would be open to once a week as long as my capacity was still the same as twice a week and we could prove the cost savings to all residents. The bottom line is I am very open to further discussion on this issue

2) What is the cost? I get it is in my taxes, but so is everything else. I don't have kids in school, but I pay more than my neighbor who has 3 kids. All of our expenses except sewer and water are in the tax base.

Again to be determined - This point was not made by me but by another member of the audience - however it is a fair point.

I pay 17k (higher than average) and change in taxes, but if that means I am paying less than 600 a year I still benefit (I pay 160 a quarter). My neighbor pays about 120 a quarter. So if he's less than 480, he's still ahead and if he gets twice a week he's better off than today. If you know the average cost as per the average home assessment the calc is fairly simple to see if we benefit or lose. The end result may be that I am paying less than today and can still write it off on my taxes. Which means to me $$$.

Fair point the costs are not fully understood as of yet. The claim is a savings overall to your final bill vs today.

Let's also not forget not every resident is on sewer, we all generate garbage. So not exactly a fair comparison. If there is one container of X size or two containers of X size then we all will have the same amount of garbage.

I disagree on this point as we just went through the exercise of reworking the sewer rates to usage based. Trash is currently usage based as we all pay for our own. On the other hand the trash would potentially be assessed as part of our taxes which moves trash from usage based to being based on what your home is valued at. Another point I was thinking through is what happens if the governors 2.5% cap is passed and our trash rates go up unexpectedly during our next contract with the trash haulers? Would that not lead to our having to cut other services if we can't raise our overall property taxes more then 2.5%? While I am not sure I believe we will need to discuss if this make sense if the 2.5% limit is imposed. Just trying to think ahead on this one. Not opposed just want to make sure we are thinking through all of the variables for now and in the future. Obviously if the 2.5% goes no where then its a non issue.

So overall the trash pickup is a good discussion and exercise for the town so we can once and for all look at all of our options and know what they are.



3) On the easements.
- Do they exist today?
- Where does it lead? I get no where because it is over grown, but where does it lead to if it is winter or I cut my way through? Is it to a preserve or park type land
- If they exist and people do not know what's wrong with saying here they are? Or is this a case of I moved next to the Turnpike and now the town needs to do something about the noise?

The Easements have existed for years they open to the millstone river. The exercise discussed was clearly marking them. All comments I posted were from the neighbors in Shadow Oaks.

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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 1:14 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Dan,

I did not keep the original statements, but I am the poster who asked the questions.

Thanks for the response.

On garbage we agree to disagree, yes the amount paid is calculated on the assessed value, but it's also a fixed cost to the town like parks, buildings, town cars, fire trucks, etc... A police car costs X and I'll pay more for that car cost than will my neighbor, but the police will respond to him and I equally. With garbage, we'll have the same vehicle (container) and have the same pick up etc... All residents will benefit equally.

The sewer was always a usage based, but in the past all residents even those without sewer were paying not just those on sewer. This was split out last year so that only sewered residents paid for sewer. We always paid a sewer usage charge.

Again, thanks for the update!! Much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 1:59 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Sorry, that last sentence is particularly laughable on several levels.


Just a TROLL, obviously. Someone with an agenda that is afraid to show their face because it would make their bias obvious. Best to ignore and not feed the Trolls.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 8:58 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

The easements were in place at the time of the development. No one should be surprised.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 9:38 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

We have a right to go back there, marking it means I won't trespass on someone's property. The easements are already there. We should be encouraging people to hike and go outside not stopping them or discouraging them. Buy the home and know what you're buying.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 6:27 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Reclaiming the trail sounds like a great Boy Scout project.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 9:15 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Reclaiming the trail sounds like a great Boy Scout project.


Speaking of which, it would be nice if the scouts also did a refresh on the trail in the preserve next to the school. That was an Eagle Scoout project a few years ago and they did a great job, but lately its become overgrown in areas with tall grass and poison ivy and almost impassable with mud in other areas. We used to use it all the time but now between the exposure to the poison ivy, the constant ticks we end up with and the mud its become too much trouble.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 3:11 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Once an Eagle Scout project is done on town property, it is up to the town to maintain it. Sure scouts can do a good turn (as can anybody in the town for that matter) to clean up weeds, but it is town property.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 3:43 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Once an Eagle Scout project is done on town property, it is up to the town to maintain it. Sure scouts can do a good turn (as can anybody in the town for that matter) to clean up weeds, but it is town property.


That makes total sense in theory. But I'm curious if this is coordinated with the Township? If not, how do we know when they have any intention of maintaining it? Otherwise these are destined to be short term benefits. Clearly the Township is not (yet) maintaining the Preserve paths.
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