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 Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 1:17 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar". |
Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific. |
Who gives a rat's fat *ss? |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 1:18 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang! |
If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways. |
Get over yourself William F. Buckley! |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 2:05 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang! |
If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways. |
Get over yourself William F. Buckley! |
Sorry, I was not clear, the Buckley thing doesn't fit I meant this to be more of a liberal elite sort of critique of modern tea party interpretation of American historical documents.
Though you are right on target that Buckley would have known the precedents. That is why Buckley could make a good living arguing with liberals. They could both agree on the facts of the matter. The current right wing trying to make arguments using the Federalist papers, don't understand the documents or the era in which they were written to make coherent arguments.
You have thankfully cleared up my somewhat muddy thought process. I guess I am calling for a sort of right wing elitism because while I may disagree with there conclusions, I can at least argue with there logic.
With the current tea party, it seems we are speaking different languages. |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 2:07 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar". |
Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific. |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 3:53 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar". |
Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific. |
You sound like you are the life of every party!!!!!!!!
(sarcasm intended) |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 3:55 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang! |
If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways. |
Get over yourself William F. Buckley! |
Sorry, I was not clear, the Buckley thing doesn't fit I meant this to be more of a liberal elite sort of critique of modern tea party interpretation of American historical documents.
Though you are right on target that Buckley would have known the precedents. That is why Buckley could make a good living arguing with liberals. They could both agree on the facts of the matter. The current right wing trying to make arguments using the Federalist papers, don't understand the documents or the era in which they were written to make coherent arguments.
You have thankfully cleared up my somewhat muddy thought process. I guess I am calling for a sort of right wing elitism because while I may disagree with there conclusions, I can at least argue with there logic.
With the current tea party, it seems we are speaking different languages. |
...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................wake me when you say something interesting! |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 7:29 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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Sorry, I was not clear, the Buckley thing doesn't fit I meant this to be more of a liberal elite sort of critique of modern tea party interpretation of American historical documents.
Though you are right on target that Buckley would have known the precedents. That is why Buckley could make a good living arguing with liberals. They could both agree on the facts of the matter. The current right wing trying to make arguments using the Federalist papers, don't understand the documents or the era in which they were written to make coherent arguments.
You have thankfully cleared up my somewhat muddy thought process. I guess I am calling for a sort of right wing elitism because while I may disagree with there conclusions, I can at least argue with there logic.
With the current tea party, it seems we are speaking different languages.[/quote]
Appreciate your comments |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 7:56 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar". |
Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific. |
You sound like you are the life of every party!!!!!!!!
(sarcasm intended) |
Depends on the party. The poster wouldn't be welcome at the "Tea" party because they abhor things like facts or history. But some parties like conversations that run deeper than jingoisms. |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 11:47 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote: | Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me.
Sarcasm intended |
Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic… |
Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar". |
Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific. |
You sound like you are the life of every party!!!!!!!!
(sarcasm intended) |
Depends on the party. The poster wouldn't be welcome at the "Tea" party because they abhor things like facts or history. But some parties like conversations that run deeper than jingoisms. |
Yes, I can picture all of your party friends standing around sipping Pimm's whilst admiring your Klimnt! |
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 11:49 pm EDT Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow |
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| Klimt! |
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