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anon-qoq5
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 Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 5:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| anon-26o4 wrote: | | Cranbury has many stray cats. There is a women that visits and feeds them in various places throughout town. This is what attracts the skunks that many have noticed increasing throughout the recent years. |
Except strays wouldn't end up registered anyway. I still have read and heard no credible argument for why owners of indoor only cats need to register. |
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anon-26o4
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 5:50 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| if a cat were to be found, how would one identify it as wild or owned/lost without registration? |
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anon-qoq5
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 6:35 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| anon-26o4 wrote: | | if a cat were to be found, how would one identify it as wild or owned/lost without registration? |
No need to find a cat that is in it's house...
Not to be flippant, but there are plenty of cats that have never been outside their entire lives and don't aspire to it even with open doors. Why should their owners pay for a registration they don't need or want? What health hazard do they pose? And how does requiring them to help address potential disease issues with feral or stray cats?
I've seen a few posters for lost cats locally a year. Hardly an epidemic problem that requires government intervention or fees.
If someone is worried about their cat being identified if it is lost, why not let them opt in to registration or let them, as many do and at their own discretion and competitive cost, either order their own id online or from their vet or microchip their cat? All the shelters and vets know to check for microchips. So if you're argument for requiring all cats to be registered is ID, its not very compelling.
And if the argument is public safety, it still hasn't been explained how getting owners of indoor only cats to pay a registration fee helps that.
This seems like a cliche example of over-goverment at its worst. Congratulations on finding a solution in search of a problem, |
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 6:42 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| Should we instead hire more police officers to make sure you keep your word and don't let your cat outside sometimes? Just register the damn cat. Unless you have 30 of them or are in some way irresponsible with then, why not? That may be the better question- why not register animals proven to spread rabies? We have to just take your word? C'mon |
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 7:33 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| anon-9nos wrote: | | ,.. why not register animals proven to spread rabies?... |
That's not true. |
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anon-qoq5
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 8:24 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| anon-9nos wrote: | | Should we instead hire more police officers to make sure you keep your word and don't let your cat outside sometimes? Just register the damn cat. Unless you have 30 of them or are in some way irresponsible with then, why not? That may be the better question- why not register animals proven to spread rabies? We have to just take your word? C'mon |
Please cite the sources on how domesticated indoor, not stray or feral cats, are proven to spread rabies? if you can't cite the source, you don't know it to be true. Also, please cite the sources on local cases of domesticated cats, again not strays which are not impacted by this law, in Cranbury Township actually spreading a case of rabies in the recent past. Heck, in the last 315 years of our history.
You seem to have the concept of government regulation and taxation (that's what a registration fee is) backwards. You don't start with "why not?" You start with the assumption that regulation and taxes/fees are a burden on the population and should be judiciously done when proven necessary. You haven't made your case so you fall back on "why not?"
Here's why not -- I don't want to, and I don't want to pay the fee. The burden is on you to demonstrate why there are clear facts that demonstrate it is in the public good, specifically here in Cranbury Township based, to force me to do so.
Good luck enforcing it too. As a rule, any law that is not enforceable is a bad law. And since you have absolutely no way to know if I register indoor cats or to compel me to do so, the law is on its face flawed. |
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anon-26o4
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 10:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| I understand your points. Let me tell you why I want registration of cats and you can tell me why not. The cats that peruse some of the downtown street in the Cranbury bother me as I am not used to them as pets myself. Embarrassed to say, but even scare me at times, especially when they are so brave as to approach my kids and I. Like a dog or other pet / non-wild animal, I want them pet owners to take responsibility for their pets and think that we should, if needed, be able to differentiate between those that are pets and those that are wild, to start with. I believe we should be responsible for our pets and keep them in your homes (thank you by the way, but unfortunately not all share your pet habits) and not in town for us all to share. Now, if they are harmless, largely stay to themselves, are vaccinated, etc., the issue is of less a concern to me. Without registering them and taking ownership of then as their owners, how would we ever know the difference? I am not going to tell you what pet you have, but I don’t want to share it with you. Registration seems like the starting point to even knowing what is what. While cats are not my pet of choice, I dot begrudge others for having them, but they are certainly not squirrels or birds that run free in our habitat without us, so we should have no problem at least claiming which of those belong to us, as the humans, are ours in a community. So, I ask, why not? . |
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anon-qoq5
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2012, 11:03 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| anon-26o4 wrote: | | I understand your points. Let me tell you why I want registration of cats and you can tell me why not. The cats that peruse some of the downtown street in the Cranbury bother me as I am not used to them as pets myself. Embarrassed to say, but even scare me at times, especially when they are so brave as to approach my kids and I. Like a dog or other pet / non-wild animal, I want them pet owners to take responsibility for their pets and think that we should, if needed, be able to differentiate between those that are pets and those that are wild, to start with. I believe we should be responsible for our pets and keep them in your homes (thank you by the way, but unfortunately not all share your pet habits) and not in town for us all to share. Now, if they are harmless, largely stay to themselves, are vaccinated, etc., the issue is of less a concern to me. Without registering them and taking ownership of then as their owners, how would we ever know the difference? I am not going to tell you what pet you have, but I don’t want to share it with you. Registration seems like the starting point to even knowing what is what. While cats are not my pet of choice, I dot begrudge others for having them, but they are certainly not squirrels or birds that run free in our habitat without us, so we should have no problem at least claiming which of those belong to us, as the humans, are ours in a community. So, I ask, why not? . |
Again, because it costs money. That's a pretty good reason. And it takes time. And it requires you to go to the vet to prove you have had certain vaccinations, when those aren't even necessary (or advisable) for indoor only pets. And those vets can charge you for that visit. It adds up. All pretty good reasons "why not."
I would say your goals could be satisfied without a government regulation. If people opt to let their pets outdoors, they can either opt-in to voluntary registration, or better yet spent $3 getting a collar and tag without making it a government process, or they risk the assumption by authorities that their pet is going to be assumed to not be a pet and be a stray. I would hope most people who invest in a pet and opt to let it outside in an area with other people and homes around would spend the money on a collar and tag, but if not that's their risk. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 7:01 am EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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A few comments.
Collars on outdoor cats are dangerous. Please do not put a collar on a cat that goes out as collars can get caught and hurt the cat.
Rabies vaccines are advisable for all cats or dogs. What if your cat accidentally gets out and comes back with a bite or scratch. This happened to us and for 6 months we had to keep the cat and children separate in case the cat came down with rabies. A simple shot would have prevented this. So whether you license or not or like us have purely indoor cars, get the vaccine.
Cranbury holds free rabies clinics twice a year. So all you need to do is go there for a free shot.
Lastly, I don't believe in licensing cats. However, that is a board of health law that the town government has no control over. I was at the TC meeting in 2008 and everyone of the TC members said they disagreed, but had no ability to stop it. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 11:16 am EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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| Quote: | | Lastly, I don't believe in licensing cats. However, that is a board of health law that the town government has no control over. |
Are you sure? I thought it was just the BOH recommending to license cats, not that it was required.
| Quote: | | Like a dog or other pet / non-wild animal, I want them pet owners to take responsibility for their pets and think that we should, if needed, be able to differentiate between those that are pets and those that are wild, to start with. |
How would registering them allow people on the street to differentiate between pets and wild cats? Are a collar and tag required as part of the registration? |
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anon-818s
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 4:51 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Board of Health Meeting - Cat Licensing Fees |
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As i stated, I don't believe in licensing because there is no way for people to easily track cats back. So if scratched or bit by a stray I consider it like a possum or raccoon. That is just me. I do believe in vaccinations based on 6 months of trouble keeping a cat away due to leaving a door open one time.
Yes I am certain about the law. I was at the TC meeting and the twp attorney stated BOH can mandate laws based on the public interest. |
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