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Peter
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 Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 1:21 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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To add one further point, I sincerely doubt the majority of residents are on this message board. Let's assume 10% of our town is here. In addition, the Cranbury Twp newsletter is now electronic only meaning one has to sign up for it or know to go to Town Hall. New residents would not even know we have a Town Newsletter.
This all means that without a thriving local paper such as the Cranbury Press we will have a vast majority of residents unaware of what is occurring locally.
I would hope that the town next year consider mailing out the newsletter and asking residents to opt for electronic mailing. This is the normal course for towns and while I understand there is an expense, we should value communication with the tax payers as a priority. |
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peter
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 1:41 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Apologies to the poster Ben Franklin, I re-read my post and realized it could be assumed that I was posting as him. I just wanted to add one point onto to what Ol'Ben said. |
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 2:03 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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The town email notification is much better than the town newsletter in delivering news and events to the residents.
You can register it here:
http://cranburytownship.org/register.html
For a new resident, the town newsletter does help.
There is just not much news to report in this town.
In a few occasions, I found very good info here by reading the postings from people who attended TC meetings. |
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BenFranklin
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 2:20 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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Don't worry, Ole Ben takes no offense. However, he does object to the notion that a quarterly newsletter published by the township is a suitable alternative to a viable independent press outlet. The town newsletter is valuable for the information it presents, but it does not raise resident awareness of the larger issues. And while some residents may manifest belief that there's not much news in Cranbury, I don't buy into that view. After all, just about every week there is a meeting, whether in our town or in Trenton, that stands to potentially affect my taxes, the quality of my schools, my property values, my safety, the composition of my neighborhood, etc. In other words, the hyper-local news that we're missing is way more important than national-level news because it directly affects us.
If there were really "not much" news in Cranbury, it should be really easy to cover it. And yet nobody does. |
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 2:33 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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It's just not realistic to ask the township to provide you with the info you need (do we need a town news reporter?), and the Cranbury Press is incapable of doing that in its current state.
Win did post a few news articles related to COAH here. I think this is a good approach: if you find something that might be of interest to our town, post it here for others to read. |
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Peter
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 2:41 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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I agree and my intention was not to say newsletter and a paper are the same. However, the newsletter does let one know what is happening, when clean up days are, what projects are occurring etc...
The email alerts are great and thanks again for posting them for others. The problem is that many new residents don't know about this service or this site. Where as when the newsletter was mailed it was done to all residents new and old. That's why I like the opt out method.
In the end we do need the Cranbury Press to consider their audience as 3- Cranbury, Spotswood and Jamesburg would be gone under the consolidation efforts they support. |
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 5:11 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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Is anyone actually writing the Cranbury Press publishers about this?
It's all fine and good to vent here and it is a serious issue. But I would think letters to the publisher -- not the editors but the publisher -- expressing our concerns would at least have the potential go a lot further. Whenever there is an issue that affects the schools, parents rally overnight like there is no tomorrow. Can we get even a fraction of that around this issue?
Again, no one argues with the Press' ability to publish editorials. What we object to is taking an official position, without any context specific to why it is good for Cranbury specifically, on a state issue that would fundamentally affect Cranbury. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 5:15 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | Consolidation means more government union jobs.
Yeah, baby! Pick me! Pick me! |
Imagine that - good paying jobs with health benefits, job security, workers with some self respect – doing something meaningful like teaching our kids, taking care of our disabled folks, cleaning our streets, processing our property taxes –
So make sure you demonize the workers (whether they work for local government or private companies) and sit silently by as the gap between the wealthy and the poor gets larger. Trickle down as Mulligan and the tea baggers would explain it |
Who is demonizing workers? Why can't you support workers without supporting the continued expansion of a bloated government system that crushes opportunity and entrepreneurialism under mountains of tax and regulatory burdens? Here's a suggestion to help you understand what I'm talking about... Go find your "support the troops, not the war" bumper sticker (I know you have one) and change it to "support the workers, not the waste".
Do you feel better now? |
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 8:38 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Homer wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | Consolidation means more government union jobs.
Yeah, baby! Pick me! Pick me! |
Imagine that - good paying jobs with health benefits, job security, workers with some self respect – doing something meaningful like teaching our kids, taking care of our disabled folks, cleaning our streets, processing our property taxes –
So make sure you demonize the workers (whether they work for local government or private companies) and sit silently by as the gap between the wealthy and the poor gets larger. Trickle down as Mulligan and the tea baggers would explain it |
Who is demonizing workers? Why can't you support workers without supporting the continued expansion of a bloated government system that crushes opportunity and entrepreneurialism under mountains of tax and regulatory burdens? Here's a suggestion to help you understand what I'm talking about... Go find your "support the troops, not the war" bumper sticker (I know you have one) and change it to "support the workers, not the waste".
Do you feel better now? |
Let’s think now – unions bring decent wages to New Jersey families, health care for their families, good retirement and security which makes New Jersey families thrive.
Bad management is bad management. Bloated private or public companies or governments need reform. Some governments were very efficient but immoral and corrupt like Hitler’s Germany. Many religious organizations propose great moral purpose but create wickedness (Catholic abortion policy and the their child abusing priests and bishops)
Stop listening to Rush and Palin and start thinking for yourself |
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proud catholic
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 8:57 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | Consolidation means more government union jobs.
Yeah, baby! Pick me! Pick me! |
Imagine that - good paying jobs with health benefits, job security, workers with some self respect – doing something meaningful like teaching our kids, taking care of our disabled folks, cleaning our streets, processing our property taxes –
So make sure you demonize the workers (whether they work for local government or private companies) and sit silently by as the gap between the wealthy and the poor gets larger. Trickle down as Mulligan and the tea baggers would explain it |
Who is demonizing workers? Why can't you support workers without supporting the continued expansion of a bloated government system that crushes opportunity and entrepreneurialism under mountains of tax and regulatory burdens? Here's a suggestion to help you understand what I'm talking about... Go find your "support the troops, not the war" bumper sticker (I know you have one) and change it to "support the workers, not the waste".
Do you feel better now? |
Let’s think now – unions bring decent wages to New Jersey families, health care for their families, good retirement and security which makes New Jersey families thrive.
Bad management is bad management. Bloated private or public companies or governments need reform. Some governments were very efficient but immoral and corrupt like Hitler’s Germany. Many religious organizations propose great moral purpose but create wickedness (Catholic abortion policy and the their child abusing priests and bishops)
Stop listening to Rush and Palin and start thinking for yourself |
Wow, as a Catholic Democrat with a father in law in a union let me tell you your views are as radical and out there as Rush and Beck are, but clearly you won't see that because they are your views.
You're telling me all Catholics are evil!! The vast majority of priests and nuns do good work along with the many, many, many Catholic charities. The Catholic church along with Presbyterian, Methodist, Episcopal and others do a lot of work in the community and elsewhere in the world. Look at Skeet's food pantry here in Cranbury. Yes, like any place there are bad apples, but to hold the view as you do that the whole religion is evil is just insulting. Your views are beyond radical. I actually feel sorry for you if these are true views and not just a bad joke.
Then you go on about the need for bigger government while saying governments need reform. So you want to reform government by making it bigger and taking away towns like Cranbury? How about realigning government so that we have smaller government staffing with money going to the causes.
My father in law is hurting because of his union and he will be the first to tell you. When he joined in his 20's it was worth it the union was less concerned about their money and more concerned about their members. Now, he is off for an entire month because the union will not allow lay offs, the company is hurting so he has to go a month without pay because the union wants to keep the younger employees who just joined by union demand so that the union can keep collecting their dues. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 9:32 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | Consolidation means more government union jobs.
Yeah, baby! Pick me! Pick me! |
Imagine that - good paying jobs with health benefits, job security, workers with some self respect – doing something meaningful like teaching our kids, taking care of our disabled folks, cleaning our streets, processing our property taxes –
So make sure you demonize the workers (whether they work for local government or private companies) and sit silently by as the gap between the wealthy and the poor gets larger. Trickle down as Mulligan and the tea baggers would explain it |
Who is demonizing workers? Why can't you support workers without supporting the continued expansion of a bloated government system that crushes opportunity and entrepreneurialism under mountains of tax and regulatory burdens? Here's a suggestion to help you understand what I'm talking about... Go find your "support the troops, not the war" bumper sticker (I know you have one) and change it to "support the workers, not the waste".
Do you feel better now? |
Let’s think now – unions bring decent wages to New Jersey families, health care for their families, good retirement and security which makes New Jersey families thrive.
Bad management is bad management. Bloated private or public companies or governments need reform. Some governments were very efficient but immoral and corrupt like Hitler’s Germany. Many religious organizations propose great moral purpose but create wickedness (Catholic abortion policy and the their child abusing priests and bishops)
Stop listening to Rush and Palin and start thinking for yourself |
Put me in coach! Someone's been in left field too long. |
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 9:37 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | Consolidation means more government union jobs.
Yeah, baby! Pick me! Pick me! |
Imagine that - good paying jobs with health benefits, job security, workers with some self respect – doing something meaningful like teaching our kids, taking care of our disabled folks, cleaning our streets, processing our property taxes –
So make sure you demonize the workers (whether they work for local government or private companies) and sit silently by as the gap between the wealthy and the poor gets larger. Trickle down as Mulligan and the tea baggers would explain it |
Who is demonizing workers? Why can't you support workers without supporting the continued expansion of a bloated government system that crushes opportunity and entrepreneurialism under mountains of tax and regulatory burdens? Here's a suggestion to help you understand what I'm talking about... Go find your "support the troops, not the war" bumper sticker (I know you have one) and change it to "support the workers, not the waste".
Do you feel better now? |
Let’s think now – unions bring decent wages to New Jersey families, health care for their families, good retirement and security which makes New Jersey families thrive.
Bad management is bad management. Bloated private or public companies or governments need reform. Some governments were very efficient but immoral and corrupt like Hitler’s Germany. Many religious organizations propose great moral purpose but create wickedness (Catholic abortion policy and the their child abusing priests and bishops)
Stop listening to Rush and Palin and start thinking for yourself |
First of all, your twisting the point to suit your personal agenda. This post was about whether it makes sense to force smaller towns and schools to merge into larger ones. The original poster pointed out that the facts show that larger towns and schools are less cost effective. One reason is larger ones have more layers of management. It’s not the only reason and no one mentioned anything about unions being bad until you brought it up. Your previous post implied that it was good to add layers of management to bring more union jobs and to close the “wealth gap.” Now instead of defending that idea, you throw out wildly off topic statements about bad management elsewhere then sprinkle Nazi Germany and some anti-Catholicism. Have a little ADHD, do you? But either way you’re contradicting yourself because no one said anything about unions being bad, so if you’re admitted that extra management layers aren’t helpful than you’re making the original posters point and you would agree that merger and consolidation doesn’t make sense. You can’t have it both ways – do you believe its okay to make work up to create unions jobs that didn’t need to exist or do you believe we should be as efficient as possible?
Second, are you honestly suggesting that anyone who doesn’t agree with unions is a fan of Rush or Palin? Wow, are you self-deluded. Actually, a very large percentage of both parties don’t agree with unionization. In fact, relatively few peope do who are either not members of a union or have family members who are. So union support rests largely in the membership of the unions themselves. Which is not to say they are good or bad, just that the idea that only reactionaries (a “radical” by definition is someone who is extremely left-oriented in politics – the proper term for extreme right-wingers is reactionary) would be against them is completely off-base.
The truth, like most of reality, is that unions are neither good or bad. They can be positive or negative depending on how they operate and who is operating them. Historically they have served a noble in history. That said, only an indoctrinated union member would preach that in their current form they are entirely positive. It’s fine to lobby for great wages and benefits. It doesn’t help society though when unions are allowed to exert pressure on people who don’t want to be members to join. It doesn’t help when they make it hard to promote competence and weed out incompetence. It doesn’t help when they believe they should be able to push for benefits or compensation not consistent with the general marketplace. Or when they exert political pressure to create laws for the explicit purpose of creating union work, even if the work didn’t need to exist, as they have done, for example, in manipulating New Jersey’s government and courts to make it the most developer-friendly state in the nation and, statistically, the most over developed. That does not make New Jersey “thrive” – stop drinking the Koo-Aid, do your own research and make your own reasoned decisions based on actual facts.
Signed, a Democrat who can’t stand Rush or Palin… |
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 14 2009, 9:43 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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| Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Homer wrote: | Consolidation means more government union jobs.
Yeah, baby! Pick me! Pick me! |
Imagine that - good paying jobs with health benefits, job security, workers with some self respect – doing something meaningful like teaching our kids, taking care of our disabled folks, cleaning our streets, processing our property taxes –
So make sure you demonize the workers (whether they work for local government or private companies) and sit silently by as the gap between the wealthy and the poor gets larger. Trickle down as Mulligan and the tea baggers would explain it |
Who is demonizing workers? Why can't you support workers without supporting the continued expansion of a bloated government system that crushes opportunity and entrepreneurialism under mountains of tax and regulatory burdens? Here's a suggestion to help you understand what I'm talking about... Go find your "support the troops, not the war" bumper sticker (I know you have one) and change it to "support the workers, not the waste".
Do you feel better now? |
Let’s think now – unions bring decent wages to New Jersey families, health care for their families, good retirement and security which makes New Jersey families thrive.
Bad management is bad management. Bloated private or public companies or governments need reform. Some governments were very efficient but immoral and corrupt like Hitler’s Germany. Many religious organizations propose great moral purpose but create wickedness (Catholic abortion policy and the their child abusing priests and bishops)
Stop listening to Rush and Palin and start thinking for yourself |
Let me get this straight. You believe that forcing a historic township like Cranbury, that has carefully managed growth for over 300 years, to merge into a larger, less well-managed township like Monroe that would reduce the qualities of the school and cost taxpayers for for less, helps "New Jersey thrive"? So as long as unions jobs have are being created, it doesn't matter what is destroyed or whether it helps a vast majority of the New Jersey population. Union or death, huh? |
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publius
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| Posted: Tue, Dec 15 2009, 12:54 am EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Press Again Advocates Destruction of Cranbury Township |
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But, is the state forcing Cranbury to consolidate? As far as I know, we get little in the way of money from them, so they can't tell us what to do!
can they?
Anyway, Corzine is out the door, maybe all of this consolidation crap is history.
isn't it?
What has happened to this country??? |
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