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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 1:27 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Now, this is why he should have stuck it out... Jay is nothing like the last half of this list...
"As a long time democrat here in Cranbury we are excited to have Jay Taylor join our party and support our other great elected democratic leaders that represent our town Mayor Dave Cook, Township Committe Memebers Glen Johnson & Susan Geotz, State Senator Linda Greenstein, Assemblyman Wayne Deangelo, Assemblyman Dan Benson, Congreeman Rush Holt, Senator Robert Menendez, Senator Frank Lautenberg, and last but not least the President of the United States Barack Obama. Welcome to the team Mr Taylor." |
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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 1:51 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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This is a big week for Democrats. First getting Jay Taylor to switch and now the Democrat controlled NJ courts are reversing Christie's decision to abolish COAH, which was praised by leading Democrats.
A few years ago, Tom Panconi dropped out of the Democratic Party due to differences, mostly COAH, and became an indepedent. Jay Taylor had differences with the Republican Party but did not become an independent, he joined the Democratic party during a big week for COAH supporters.
Court Ruling Restores COAH
Thursday, March 8, 2012
TRENTON – An appellate court determined that Gov. Chris Christie exceeded his authority when he abolished the Council on Affordable Housing last year and transferred the council’s functions to the Department of Community Affairs.
In a unanimous ruling, judges Philip Carchman, Clarkson Fisher and William Nugent ruled that Christie does not have the power to abolish a legislatively created independent authority.
“Today’s court decision has made it clear – the Governor cannot ignore the Constitution, nor can he ignore the Legislature, in his efforts to comply with the Mount Laurel decisions mandating affordable housing in New Jersey,” said state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union.)
“In order to develop a plan which will stand the test of court scrutiny, we have to work together to create an alternative to COAH that actually works,” he said. “We cannot simply throw COAH out the window without first developing a mechanism which seriously addresses the shortage of affordable housing opportunities in New Jersey communities.”
The 12-member Council on Affordable Housing is tasked with enforcing the Fair Housing Act, which was passed after a series of court decisions that required New Jersey municipalities to provide affordable housing for low- and moderate-income families. However, while an appeal of rules instituted by COAH in 2004 is pending before the Supreme Court, the council’s rule-making authority has been suspended.
Read more: http://njtoday.net/2012/03/08/court-ruling-restores-coah/#ixzz1ojzaK7b3
Tell everyone to get New Jersey News from WWW.NJTODAY.NET |
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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 3:32 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Return of COAH wrote: | This is a big week for Democrats. First getting Jay Taylor to switch and now the Democrat controlled NJ courts are reversing Christie's decision to abolish COAH, which was praised by leading Democrats.
A few years ago, Tom Panconi dropped out of the Democratic Party due to differences, mostly COAH, and became an indepedent. Jay Taylor had differences with the Republican Party but did not become an independent, he joined the Democratic party during a big week for COAH supporters.
Court Ruling Restores COAH
Thursday, March 8, 2012
TRENTON – An appellate court determined that Gov. Chris Christie exceeded his authority when he abolished the Council on Affordable Housing last year and transferred the council’s functions to the Department of Community Affairs.
In a unanimous ruling, judges Philip Carchman, Clarkson Fisher and William Nugent ruled that Christie does not have the power to abolish a legislatively created independent authority.
“Today’s court decision has made it clear – the Governor cannot ignore the Constitution, nor can he ignore the Legislature, in his efforts to comply with the Mount Laurel decisions mandating affordable housing in New Jersey,” said state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union.)
“In order to develop a plan which will stand the test of court scrutiny, we have to work together to create an alternative to COAH that actually works,” he said. “We cannot simply throw COAH out the window without first developing a mechanism which seriously addresses the shortage of affordable housing opportunities in New Jersey communities.”
The 12-member Council on Affordable Housing is tasked with enforcing the Fair Housing Act, which was passed after a series of court decisions that required New Jersey municipalities to provide affordable housing for low- and moderate-income families. However, while an appeal of rules instituted by COAH in 2004 is pending before the Supreme Court, the council’s rule-making authority has been suspended.
Read more: http://njtoday.net/2012/03/08/court-ruling-restores-coah/#ixzz1ojzaK7b3
Tell everyone to get New Jersey News from WWW.NJTODAY.NET |
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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 4:48 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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As a father, husband, and fairly new resident I feel it is time to post. I have been watching these posts and it amazes me how people so quickly can prove a point through by going negative. As Lincoln said it is better to be thought a fool and than open your mouth and prove it.
Jay has been dragged through the mud to the point of even his poop being discussed. He's been called or insinuated as dishonest, self centered, a liar, unethical, etc...Which is interesting if these posts are to believed because it appears he's in almost every organization in town so by association these boards and organizations must be the worst judges of character to ever exist.
Jay stated that he did this to avoid political influence or having votes depend on party affiliation. Well, he was dragged through the mud proving his comments by people saying he's supporting COAH by being a Dem, Rush Holt and Obama. For those interested, two of the three Judges who overturned the Christie decision - Carchman and Nugent were appointed to the Court under Kean and Christie. By linking him it shows that the Republican group can't distance itself from broader politics. |
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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 7:48 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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If you're new you may not have realized yet that there is 1 or 2 very conservative, very bitter anonymous poster(s) who dominate these negative discussions, posting under a variety of aliases. Sometimes they wholesale make stuff up, other times they imply or exaggerate or misconstrue. If you try and counter their actual points they usually ignore the factual responses and keep posting the same stuff or they use your post to reinforce the idea that there is a conspiracy. If you try and "go positive" they just ignore you outright. If everyone goes silent, they will keep posting several times in a row sometimes with more and more provocative little zingers hoping to draw someone out. It is only after these things have gone on an on for pages that everyone finally gives up trying to engage or overcome the loser and after their baiting doesn't work they finally move on. You can search the history of this forum and see example after example. It's all the work of maybe 2 people and the suckers the trolls draw in. |
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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 9:08 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Happily I will be be voting to reelect President Barack Obama and Jay Taylor this year. |
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Posted: Sat, Mar 10 2012, 11:17 pm EST Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Do the math wrote: | Good topic wrote: | Wow, good discussion but getting off track. Let me attempt to summarize. The leadership of the Republican party did not want Jay (and Dan and Winn for that matter) to vote for a tax increase in 2011. Jay did because he thought it was the right thing for the financial stability of our town. The leadership of the Repub party was infuriated and essentially disassociated itself with Jay. Jay has tried to reach out but has been rebuffed. Since he wanted to continue to serve Cranbury, he took the best option available to him and switched parties. I don't see much finger pointing here - it appears they have agreed to disagree and are moving forward. Voters will decide if they want Jay or not, hopefully based on the many good things he has done for the town and the things he will do in the future. |
Still doesn't add up to me. According to your statement above the party "disassociated" itself from Jay due to his vote to increase taxes in 2011? Ok then how does that explain the fact that he voted against a tax increase this year? I would think he was giving the party what they wanted, a vote against a tax increase. Jay has stated he based his vote on the "financial stability of our town" in 2011, so why wasn't that the case when he voted against this year's budget? Regardless of voter's opinions on tax increase vs no tax increase, you must admit the Jay's decisions are inconsistent from this year vs last year. Add that to his decision to switch parties, it just isn't adding up, I am not buying it. I think Jay has put the best interest of the town aside further his own interests to get re-elected under any circumstances. |
As I tried to make clear in my previous posts, of which I was quite unsuccessful, is that this has to do with the local republican leadership.
Traditionally, the leadership of each party did their role of trying to get a candidate on the ballot each year, and kept in touch with the county and state party. The current leadership of the Cranbury Republicans is quite ideological. Which would be fine, but they try to force their brand of Republicanism on not only perspective candidates, but also on elected office holders.
I give credit to people that have been elected to office. Being dressed down by an unelected party official is not something any elected official should have to tolerate. At this point it should be clear that the local party has blown a Republican majority and now has only one Republican left on the Township Committee.
Time for new leadership. |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 6:51 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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The person who continuously states Jay voted against the budget and then swithed parties for political reasons is obviously not listening to Jay. This person must be 1 of the very few Republican leaders he had a disagreement with. He was willing to raise taxes, but not to the degree the other 4 deemed necessary. The 5 agreed to disagree, which was OK. |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 8:39 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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There are inconsistent messages. If Jay was dissatisfied with the local Republicans and did not want to become tied to any group, he could have become an Independent.
He did not become an Independent, he chose to align himself with the Democrats and now is associated with the positions of their leadership, which could be good or bad depending upon an individual's leanings. |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 9:59 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Democrat wrote: | There are inconsistent messages. If Jay was dissatisfied with the local Republicans and did not want to become tied to any group, he could have become an Independent.
He did not become an Independent, he chose to align himself with the Democrats and now is associated with the positions of their leadership, which could be good or bad depending upon an individual's leanings. |
The same poster is rehashing the same proven wrong argument only now expecting people to believe they are a D. Here is what he said as in the Patch.
“While I am now a Democrat, I still respect the Republican Party,” Taylor said in an email. “Unfortunately, over the last year it became clear that some, not all, of the Republican Party leaders in town and I simply had a philosophical difference as to the role of a Township Committee person.”
Taylor said he does not think party should play a role in decisions made, and the Township Committee should represent all of Cranbury.
“Whether someone voted for me or against me is irrelevant when I am making a decision that impacts Cranbury,” Taylor said. “I tried over the last year to work with the Republican committee in Cranbury to reach a point of common understanding regarding this issue, but was rebuffed.”
He never said he did not want to be part of a group, but rather that the TC needed to represent all residents not just those in a particular party. Seems to me all this argument of he should have gone independent supports the view he complained about that some of the Rs feel that party politics are part of the local level and should be. After all he voted against the budget as the tax was too high as an R and the Ds who were in the majority still said come on over. So clearly they approved his voting his view. |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 10:05 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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^^^^^
I agree, it's the same poster. But by replying you are just feeding the Troll. The only way this redundant nonsense stops is when that poster has had the last word, about 3 times in a row under different names, and no one takes the bait again... |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 11:08 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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I am very disappointed in Jay Taylor not because he switched to democrat from republican but because he chose to not become an independent like Tom Panconi did. I respected Tom Panconi for his decision to place Cranbury before political party unlike Jay Taylor who unfortunately is only worried about getting reelected which is disappointing to many of us |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 11:16 am EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Disappointed wrote: | I am very disappointed in Jay Taylor not because he switched to democrat from republican but because he chose to not become an independent like Tom Panconi did. I respected Tom Panconi for his decision to place Cranbury before political party unlike Jay Taylor who unfortunately is only worried about getting reelected which is disappointing to many of us |
Tom switched the an Independent months before leaving office after not seeking re-election. Not really a comparable situation. When was the last time an Independent was elected locally out of curiosity?
If you don't care about political party why does it matter whether he switched to Democrat or Independent? Maybe he preferred the local Democrats to becoming an Independent. |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 12:12 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Disappointed wrote: | I am very disappointed in Jay Taylor not because he switched to democrat from republican but because he chose to not become an independent like Tom Panconi did. I respected Tom Panconi for his decision to place Cranbury before political party unlike Jay Taylor who unfortunately is only worried about getting reelected which is disappointing to many of us |
Apparently you have missed the point (I am guessing intentionally). I also strongly believe your "many of us" comment is referring to the many different usernames you are using to disparage Jay. Shame on you! |
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Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2012, 1:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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... wrote: | Disappointed wrote: | I am very disappointed in Jay Taylor not because he switched to democrat from republican but because he chose to not become an independent like Tom Panconi did. I respected Tom Panconi for his decision to place Cranbury before political party unlike Jay Taylor who unfortunately is only worried about getting reelected which is disappointing to many of us |
Tom switched the an Independent months before leaving office after not seeking re-election. Not really a comparable situation. When was the last time an Independent was elected locally out of curiosity?
If you don't care about political party why does it matter whether he switched to Democrat or Independent? Maybe he preferred the local Democrats to becoming an Independent. |
This is exactly the point. Tom never ran as an independent. |
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Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2012, 12:51 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Cranbury Committee Member Changes Party, Seeks Re-election |
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Jay's switch in political party, I believe, was not such a shallow move as to merely indicate his displeasure with the pressures put on him by a few Cranbury Republicans, but was done because he fundamentally identifies himself with the ideologies of the Democrat Party. Jay is a fine person and entitled to his political beliefs, but I am disappointed, nevertheless. |
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