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PostPosted: Tue, Feb 2 2010, 8:29 pm EST    Post subject: CHA & PB Reply with quote

CHA is on the Planning Board Agenda on Thursday. It looks like they are subdividing land on Old Cranbury Road. Is this for more affordable housing?
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PostPosted: Tue, Feb 2 2010, 11:11 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

Maybe they are planning to add units to all the existing sites so they don't have to buy more land?
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 8:21 am EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

If that's the case I think we all need to be prepared for a major uproar. The majority of the COAH homes have been concentrated at the South end of town. Increasing them will be the tipping point for a lot of people. If the TC thought 130D was vocal imagine Cranbury Green, Four Seasons and Shadow Oaks coming at them and CHA. I think we on the South end have been very accomodating to this point. The furthest north the COAH homes are is the Village Park which is more mid-point of town.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 11:21 am EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

I don't live in either part of Town (I live in a rural section) but I think calling the Villege Park more like a "mid point" is a stretch. Of the total residential properties in town, how many are south versus north of that point? I would bet a lot more are south.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 11:54 am EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

Our town is divided North and South by Main St. There are many out lying areas, but historically and for reference our town has always been divided geographically North and South by the lake. The lake being the midpoint of the distinction. I am from Shadow Oaks, so there is no village bias nor is anyone saying mid-point relative to home numbers is the village park. It is just the way the town is set up.

I fully agree more homes are on the south side. There are no COAH homes presently on the outer area north of the lake. So adding further homes and more COAH here is a bad idea.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 12:38 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

distinction wrote:
Our town is divided North and South by Main St. There are many out lying areas, but historically and for reference our town has always been divided geographically North and South by the lake. The lake being the midpoint of the distinction. I am from Shadow Oaks, so there is no village bias nor is anyone saying mid-point relative to home numbers is the village park. It is just the way the town is set up.

I fully agree more homes are on the south side. There are no COAH homes presently on the outer area north of the lake. So adding further homes and more COAH here is a bad idea.


Yes, but that lake distinction doesn't seem relevant when it comes to where COAH comes should go. If the significant majority of the population, and therefore the majority of residential neighborhoods, is south of the lake it stands to reason the majority of COAH homes would end up south of the lake.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 12:43 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

Or does it stand to reason that the south is over burdened and therefore the North end of that geographic spread should pick up more of the homes? So as to over build one area.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 1:41 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
CHA is on the Planning Board Agenda on Thursday. It looks like they are subdividing land on Old Cranbury Road. Is this for more affordable housing?


I am not positive but I believe this is regarding CHA giving some land back to the town from the Pin Oaks area.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 4:46 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

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Or does it stand to reason that the south is over burdened and therefore the North end of that geographic spread should pick up more of the homes? So as to over build one area.


I would think the burden should be proportionate to the amount of market housing and size of the neighborhoods.

That said, as a pratical matter, I suspect it is hard enough to even find viable sites and they are mostly being opportunistic.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 5:23 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

I am not a proponent of building more units on old cranbury road nor am I a fan of maxing out the 130 D site. Here's the facts since so many posts seem unclear. Roughly 2/3 of COAH homes are south of the lake. So are roughly 2/3 of the residents. One of the reasons the south has more total residents and more COAH housing is the residential development south of the lake was a key driver of Cranbury's COAH obligations. The south is where the builders had the land they gave to us as part of their COAH obligation. For example, 4 seasons is 100 market rate units, which created an obligation of about 25 COAH units. The developer didn't want to build affordable units in the 4 seasons, so they gave us land and money to build them somewhere else (like old Cranbury Rd.)

The other key driver of COAH obligations are the warehouses, which we all realize tax benefits from, but which only some of us get the extra benefits of truck noise and pollution. Smile

The reality is, the COAH obligation is so big, it can't be fair. This "war between the states" is unproductive. Let's focus on changing the rules before we build ANYWHERE in town.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 6:38 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

I agree. However, it's bigger than that. Land preservation efforts were always geared to the North. So it is also a town function. When land on the south came up such as liedtke the town said they had no money. Yet, they did barclay, west property, etc..

I agree not building anywhere, but I also agree that we should be equitable with the COAH housing and disperse it through town. Simply because there are more residents (through no fault of their own) does not mean we should hold them responsible for even more housing.

I am sure residents would have loved to preserve shadow oaks or 4 seasons, but the town never opted to do this.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 6:43 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

Sorry, so as not to over burden one area.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 3 2010, 11:40 pm EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

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Land preservation efforts were always geared to the North.

How many acres of farmland are north vs. south? It looks about even on the zoning map.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 5 2010, 7:40 am EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

War Between the States wrote:
Here's the facts since so many posts seem unclear. Roughly 2/3 of COAH homes are south of the lake. So are roughly 2/3 of the residents.


Your "facts" are not accurate. The COAH split is more like 55% south, 45% north. There are group homes on the north side that qualify for COAH. There are also section 8 residents in the north that are not counted. If these residents were included, the split would be about even.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 5 2010, 9:23 am EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

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War Between the States wrote:
Here's the facts since so many posts seem unclear. Roughly 2/3 of COAH homes are south of the lake. So are roughly 2/3 of the residents.


Your "facts" are not accurate. The COAH split is more like 55% south, 45% north. There are group homes on the north side that qualify for COAH. There are also section 8 residents in the north that are not counted. If these residents were included, the split would be about even.


If that's the case then the opposite of the original complaint is true -- statistically the North already has proportionately more of the total COAH obligation than is representative of the total residential housing and neighborhood density. This would suggest new obligation should be in the South. Though I agree with a previous poster that its probably hard to really parse it out this way.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 5 2010, 9:33 am EST    Post subject: Re: CHA & PB Reply with quote

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War Between the States wrote:
Here's the facts since so many posts seem unclear. Roughly 2/3 of COAH homes are south of the lake. So are roughly 2/3 of the residents.


Your "facts" are not accurate. The COAH split is more like 55% south, 45% north. There are group homes on the north side that qualify for COAH. There are also section 8 residents in the north that are not counted. If these residents were included, the split would be about even.


If that's the case then the opposite of the original complaint is true -- statistically the North already has proportionately more of the total COAH obligation than is representative of the total residential housing and neighborhood density. This would suggest new obligation should be in the South. Though I agree with a previous poster that its probably hard to really parse it out this way.


The traditional Cranbury gripe is that the town pushes all development on the southside. Prior to shadow oaks the bulk of the population was north. Since then Shadow Oaks, Cranbury Green and the age restricted housing has been built south. Only Silvers lane has been developed on the north side.

Conspiracy theorist see all of this as a plot against the Southside of Town.
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