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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 18 2010, 11:41 am EST    Post subject: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest
WINNIE HU
Published: February 18, 2010

Nearly one in five public schools in New Jersey has almost no poor students, the highest percentage of any state, according to a new report.

The report found that at 18 percent of New Jersey schools, or 402 schools, less than 5 percent of the students were poor enough to qualify for free or reduced-price lunches. The report found 2,817 such schools nationwide.

In addition, the report, by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, a conservative policy group in Washington that supports school choice, found that about one-quarter of New Jersey’s white and Asian students attended the 402 wealthy schools, compared with 2 percent of black students and 3 percent of Hispanic students.

New York had 230 public schools, or 6 percent of its schools, in which less than 5 percent of the students were poor, according to the report. In Connecticut, there were 178 such schools, or 17 percent of its schools, the second highest percentage in the country.

Derrell Bradford, executive director of Excellent Education for Everyone, a group in Newark that supports school choice, said the report illustrated the need for change. He said that while the state had increased financing for poor districts, it had deprived too many students of the opportunity to attend better-performing schools in wealthier districts.

“The state’s policies have failed to extend a lifeline to many low-income kids in districts with high numbers of chronically underperforming schools,” Mr. Bradford said. “What I find very frustrating is that this state masquerades as one where integration by race and economic opportunity are important. When you look at this study, you realize the reality is 180 degrees away from that.”

The report comes as school choice advocates in New Jersey are gaining momentum in their effort to expand charter schools, which are publicly financed. They are also pushing to create a voucherlike system in which corporations, in exchange for a tax credit, would donate money to a scholarship fund so poor students could attend private schools or out-of-district public schools that charge tuition.

Gov. Christopher J. Christie and the acting education commissioner, Bret D. Schundler, have said they favor more school options for parents. On Thursday, the State Assembly is expected to consider legislation that would expand a program started in 2000 that allows one school district per county to take students who live outside the district and to receive state financing for them.

Under the new proposal, any district could apply to participate. They could hold lotteries if they received more applicants than the number of spots available.

In the school district of the Chathams, about 25 miles west of New York City, where less than 1 percent of students are poor and about 90 percent are white, the six schools serve a wealthy community. Many families have moved in for the high-performing schools; enrollment has grown by more than 100 students annually for the past 12 years, to 3,900.

The superintendent, Jim O’Neill, said he would welcome out-of-district students as long as the Chatham schools had enough classroom space and received financing so that local taxpayers would not have to shoulder the additional cost. Ninety-three percent of the district’s $48 million operating budget is supported by local property taxes.

“I think one of the opportunities the state has missed as they have looked at trying to help students from low-performing schools is to see if high-performing schools have openings at different grade levels to help diversify populations like mine,” Mr. O’Neill said.

Steve Baker, a spokesman for the New Jersey Education Association, the largest teachers’ union in the state, said the union had concerns about starting too many charter schools in a short period of time. And the union is opposed to providing tax credits to corporations for donating money for tuition.

“In essence,” he said, “tuition tax credits take public funds and use them to subsidize private education.”
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 18 2010, 9:32 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

wealth /w[l¸/ [welth] –noun 1.a great quantity or store of money, valuable possessions, property, or other riches.

Wealth is not annual income.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 18 2010, 9:58 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

Wealth? wrote:
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Wealth is not annual income.


Right, anyone can go broke if the income cannot support the expenses.

But I believe most high income people are not senseless spenders (i.e. they will invest and save portion of their income). That's why most high income people are not poor.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 18 2010, 11:50 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

When they say wealthy, do they mean the malefactors of great wealth like the crooks on Wall Street and BIG corporate America?

just wondering
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 7:26 am EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

You do realize there are people working on Wall St. for those firms who are making less than our teachers, police, etc...These people depend on the firms making money. We have a friend who was paid 35,000 as an admin with Lehman and was let go. She is still out of work.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 9:21 am EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

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“The state’s policies have failed to extend a lifeline to many low-income kids in districts with high numbers of chronically underperforming schools,” Mr. Bradford said.


As taxpayers, we have sent millions of dollars to the Abbott districts. These schools continue to underperform, which illustrates the fact that money is not the answer.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 10:00 am EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

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“The state’s policies have failed to extend a lifeline to many low-income kids in districts with high numbers of chronically underperforming schools,” Mr. Bradford said.


As taxpayers, we have sent millions of dollars to the Abbott districts. These schools continue to underperform, which illustrates the fact that money is not the answer.


If the parents are busy making ends meet, then the education of their kids is mainly on the shoulders of the school teachers. One way is to put the money on the teachers, so that the children can stay in school and be taught by the teachers longer.

I heard on the NPR radio a few months ago about a school in NYC that educates kids in poor-neighborhoods from early morning to late evening. The students are given an incredible amount of work to do to get even with the more affluent kids. The school is so successful that a majority of the students graduated to attend colleges.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 11:09 am EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

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You do realize there are people working on Wall St. for those firms who are making less than our teachers, police, etc...These people depend on the firms making money. We have a friend who was paid 35,000 as an admin with Lehman and was let go. She is still out of work.


Good job twisting my message.
Malefactors of wealth are not the secretaries and barrow-boys who work ON THE STREET.
I mean the muckity-mucks who pull the strings in this country. The ones who are in bed with lawmakers and lobbyists who make dirty deals behind closed doors and use OUR tax money to pay for their stupidity and greed!
They claim that they are too big to fail. Maybe, they should be cut down to size a bit and not allowed to get to be so big in the first place.
And what is the deal with retention bonuses?
We have to spend money to retain the morons who structured this debacle in the first place?
I know why these big shots go into finance in the first place. It's THE perfect place for a scoundrel (dirtbag) to hide and make a fortune at the public's expense.
Forget about Obama!
He is also part of the problem.
Summers and Geithner and those guys are all in the same boat together. Nobody wants to bite the hand which feeds them.
I believe that our nation is doomed. Its much too late to fix things. Just grab whatever you can and hold on for dear life, its going to be a bumpy ride!
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 1:29 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

Hey publius . . . you don't fly planes do you???? Your rant sounds familiar.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 3:30 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

publius wrote:
When they say wealthy, do they mean the malefactors of great wealth like the crooks on Wall Street and BIG corporate America?

just wondering


With all do respect Publius this comment has nothing, nothing to do with the wealth gap in public schools. It is an interesting rant, but it also has nothing to do with Cranbury. Currently there are plenty of message boards filled with populist screeds against Wall Street and Corporate America. Go to one of these sites, you will enjoy yourself.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 3:33 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

publius wrote:
Guest wrote:
You do realize there are people working on Wall St. for those firms who are making less than our teachers, police, etc...These people depend on the firms making money. We have a friend who was paid 35,000 as an admin with Lehman and was let go. She is still out of work.


Good job twisting my message.
Malefactors of wealth are not the secretaries and barrow-boys who work ON THE STREET.
I mean the muckity-mucks who pull the strings in this country. The ones who are in bed with lawmakers and lobbyists who make dirty deals behind closed doors and use OUR tax money to pay for their stupidity and greed!
They claim that they are too big to fail. Maybe, they should be cut down to size a bit and not allowed to get to be so big in the first place.
And what is the deal with retention bonuses?
We have to spend money to retain the morons who structured this debacle in the first place?
I know why these big shots go into finance in the first place. It's THE perfect place for a scoundrel (dirtbag) to hide and make a fortune at the public's expense.
Forget about Obama!
He is also part of the problem.
Summers and Geithner and those guys are all in the same boat together. Nobody wants to bite the hand which feeds them.
I believe that our nation is doomed. Its much too late to fix things. Just grab whatever you can and hold on for dear life, its going to be a bumpy ride!


Tinfoil hat posts are some of the most entertaining on this board. They may be nuts but at least they have to do with Cranbury. Please contain your ravings to include Cranbury content.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 10:47 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

Uh-Oh...........it appears that I may have ruffled the feathers of some muckity-mucks who probably work on Wall St.
I know how it works.
They throw you minions a few crumbs and then you defend them tooth & nail when they rob the rest of us blind for your benefit.
Lemme guess. Goldman Sachs?
They pretty much own this country, anyway.
That guy who flew his plane into that building was probably driven mad by the injustices that he saw inherent in our current system.
The rich get richer by sucking the marrow from the middle-class.
Talk about your glass ceiling!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know that you moneybags don't like to talk about class warfare because you know that if The People ever caught onto your shell game, they would tar & feather you and run you out of town on a rail like they should to all the dirty dealers who (mis)handle OUR money.
I know that Cranbury is imune to the vaguries of the larger world.
The moneychangers feel safe in their incestuous, insulated little world here.
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 10:49 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
publius wrote:
Guest wrote:
You do realize there are people working on Wall St. for those firms who are making less than our teachers, police, etc...These people depend on the firms making money. We have a friend who was paid 35,000 as an admin with Lehman and was let go. She is still out of work.


Good job twisting my message.
Malefactors of wealth are not the secretaries and barrow-boys who work ON THE STREET.
I mean the muckity-mucks who pull the strings in this country. The ones who are in bed with lawmakers and lobbyists who make dirty deals behind closed doors and use OUR tax money to pay for their stupidity and greed!
They claim that they are too big to fail. Maybe, they should be cut down to size a bit and not allowed to get to be so big in the first place.
And what is the deal with retention bonuses?
We have to spend money to retain the morons who structured this debacle in the first place?
I know why these big shots go into finance in the first place. It's THE perfect place for a scoundrel (dirtbag) to hide and make a fortune at the public's expense.
Forget about Obama!
He is also part of the problem.
Summers and Geithner and those guys are all in the same boat together. Nobody wants to bite the hand which feeds them.
I believe that our nation is doomed. Its much too late to fix things. Just grab whatever you can and hold on for dear life, its going to be a bumpy ride!


Tinfoil hat posts are some of the most entertaining on this board. They may be nuts but at least they have to do with Cranbury. Please contain your ravings to include Cranbury content.


As far as tinfoil hat goes........................how is publius wrong?
The crooks who run the financial, political and economic spheres of this country are all raping us all blind.
Maybe, you just haven't bothered to notice?
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 19 2010, 11:40 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

How is publius right? It is a rant. There are no facts. No logical or coherent argument. To my point however, it has nothing to do with Cranbury. The past year we have listened to those on the right and the left post screeds like publius. Fine, but on this forum try to make your tinfoil screeds relevent to Cranbury. I am sure someone can link David Stout to some international cabal.
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PostPosted: Sat, Feb 20 2010, 11:39 am EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
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“The state’s policies have failed to extend a lifeline to many low-income kids in districts with high numbers of chronically underperforming schools,” Mr. Bradford said.


As taxpayers, we have sent millions of dollars to the Abbott districts. These schools continue to underperform, which illustrates the fact that money is not the answer.


If the parents are busy making ends meet, then the education of their kids is mainly on the shoulders of the school teachers. One way is to put the money on the teachers...


Instead of perpetuating and expanding a system of government sponsored slavery, require employers to pay a living wage and require people to succeed or fail based on their own decisions.
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PostPosted: Sat, Feb 20 2010, 8:31 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Wealth Gap for Schools in New Jersey Is the Highest Reply with quote

wage war wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
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“The state’s policies have failed to extend a lifeline to many low-income kids in districts with high numbers of chronically underperforming schools,” Mr. Bradford said.


As taxpayers, we have sent millions of dollars to the Abbott districts. These schools continue to underperform, which illustrates the fact that money is not the answer.


If the parents are busy making ends meet, then the education of their kids is mainly on the shoulders of the school teachers. One way is to put the money on the teachers...


Instead of perpetuating and expanding a system of government sponsored slavery, require employers to pay a living wage and require people to succeed or fail based on their own decisions.


Someone has to teach our kids. protect us..... The private sector can't provide these services any cheaper or with more quality than government employees. So let's top making our schoolteachers and firefighters the bad guys. God bless America and Cranbury
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