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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 12:17 am EST Post subject: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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The Kansas City school board narrowly approved a plan Wednesday night to close nearly half the district's schools in a desperate bid to avoid a potential bankruptcy, wonder what budget Cranbury school will be submitting this year?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35806883/ns/us_news-education/ |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 1:05 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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School Taxes Will Be Going Up Up Up |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 1:56 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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As someone who served on a School Board- vote no. There is always fluff put in just in case the voters say no. A no vote does not mean the school has to face major cuts. All it means is that it goes before the TC for a second look. If the TC says yes, then it gets approved anyway. There is no worry about increased class size, sports cuts, or other issues if you say no. All that happens is a second review. |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 2:16 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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I agree. I have three kids in the school and I voted no, which doesn't mean I didn't value their education. But most parents just reflexively vote yes as if it means exactly that -- it's the same dumb logic that you are not "supporting the troops" if you ask questions about whether we should put them in harms way.
I believe the school budget typically passes by a wide margin. You'll have to convince a lot of people -- far more than read this sitre -- to make any difference. |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 3:02 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Guest wrote: | As someone who served on a School Board- vote no. There is always fluff put in just in case the voters say no. A no vote does not mean the school has to face major cuts. All it means is that it goes before the TC for a second look. If the TC says yes, then it gets approved anyway. There is no worry about increased class size, sports cuts, or other issues if you say no. All that happens is a second review. |
Here is a better idea. Go to the budget meetings. See what they are spending it on. Then decide to vote yes or no.
One thing puzzles me. You state, "there is no worry about increased class size, sports cuts or other issues if you vote no." Last time the budget went down 4th grade band was cut, the late busses to Princeton were cut and the Kindergarten did not hire a third teacher so Kindergarten class size went to 30.
The mechanism when a budget goes down does send it to the TC. Most township committees either ask for a percentage of cuts, or just ask a school board to make the deepest cuts they can. The SB then makes the cuts and the TC passes it.
Vote no if you believe things should be cut, but don't delude yourself that you don't have to worry about class size sports cuts or other issues. |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 3:14 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Lets see if the day we vote for the school budget coincides with the science fair or some other feel good event at the school like it has the last several years. It stacks the deck in favor of the school budget getting passed and its not fair play by the school and board of Education. |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 3:24 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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vote NO wrote: | Lets see if the day we vote for the school budget coincides with the science fair or some other feel good event at the school like it has the last several years. It stacks the deck in favor of the school budget getting passed and its not fair play by the school and board of Education. |
Why vote on school budgets at all? We don't vote on township budgets, or county budgets, or state budgets, or federal budgets. |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 4:08 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Guest wrote: | vote NO wrote: | Lets see if the day we vote for the school budget coincides with the science fair or some other feel good event at the school like it has the last several years. It stacks the deck in favor of the school budget getting passed and its not fair play by the school and board of Education. |
Why vote on school budgets at all? We don't vote on township budgets, or county budgets, or state budgets, or federal budgets. |
The only control we have is the school budget. Why give up this right? The TC passed a zero increase budget. The BOE should be able to do the same considering they asked for 300k a few years ago for the gym roof. That was a one time project and was completed. There should be 300k of room in the budget if the rate is flat. If there is an increase in the school budget vote no.
Do you honestly think the BOE does not put margins in their budget for the eventuality that the budget is voted down? I can tell you first hand they do. |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 4:44 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Tuesday March 30 Budget Hearing, 7:00 PM (TBD)
School Budget and Board Election Date
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
(3rd Tuesday in April)
Annual school election in all districts. (19:60-1) Polls shall be open between the hours of 5 and 9 p.m. and during any additional time which the school board may designate between the hours of 7 a.m. and 9 p.m. (19:15-2)
Board of Education Certification of Results
Within two days following certification of election results
Last day for board of education to certify to the county board of taxation the amount approved by voters |
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Posted: Thu, Mar 11 2010, 11:43 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | vote NO wrote: | Lets see if the day we vote for the school budget coincides with the science fair or some other feel good event at the school like it has the last several years. It stacks the deck in favor of the school budget getting passed and its not fair play by the school and board of Education. |
Why vote on school budgets at all? We don't vote on township budgets, or county budgets, or state budgets, or federal budgets. |
The only control we have is the school budget. Why give up this right? The TC passed a zero increase budget. The BOE should be able to do the same considering they asked for 300k a few years ago for the gym roof. That was a one time project and was completed. There should be 300k of room in the budget if the rate is flat. If there is an increase in the school budget vote no.
Do you honestly think the BOE does not put margins in their budget for the eventuality that the budget is voted down? I can tell you first hand they do. |
You have first hand information they pad the budget. Prove it. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010, 8:02 am EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Take a look at how many computers they are slotted to buy (or smart boards), look to see if there are staff expenses for travel, over time work, etc...or new staff hires, look to see what happens with the money from prior projects such as the Pole Barn, Roof over the gym those are funded projects from a tax increase that are one time projects so where did that money go this year, look at the budgets major projects did they get the bids already or are they assuming a cost.
You put in the margin so in the event the budget is voted down it can be cut without major impact items (unless you want to make a statement). If you don't have the margin and the budget is voted down you end up in a problem.
I have kids in Cranbury now. Vote no and at least get a second review if the taxes are increased. If they don't increase the taxes then vote yes. The school budget is by far our largest expense.
There is a fear over voting No. If you vote no it only means a secondary review. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010, 8:54 am EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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I completely agree. I have kids there and voted no last year. I’ll wait to review it this year but unless they have changed their ways I will likely vote no again. I manage over $30MM in annual operating budgets for my company and have managed another $350MM in capital budgets. From my even cursory review it was clear they have room to conserve without a hit to the educational quality. Granted the largest expense by far was the teacher compensation (including benefits) which are locked by contract and state rules. So we’re not talking radically double-digit percentage reductions, nor as a parent would I want them to. But the idea that they consistently need incremental percentage increases every year even in years where inflation is flat makes no sense. It comes from an expectation that they don’t need to roll up their sleeves and do the work of making every dollar count. I bet they didn’t, for example, aggressively re-bid and negotiate their supply vendor costs during the downturn. Yet every company I know that did got substantial reductions in costs.
They can easily turn it flat to slightly down budgets with no reduction in education quality. If they, as usual, as for increases, you know they aren’t prioritizing making our tax dollars count. And they will inevitably wave their Blue Ribbon around as “proof” that every dollar paid off when it isn’t linear like that. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010, 10:51 am EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Guest wrote: | Take a look at how many computers they are slotted to buy (or smart boards), look to see if there are staff expenses for travel, over time work, etc...or new staff hires, look to see what happens with the money from prior projects such as the Pole Barn, Roof over the gym those are funded projects from a tax increase that are one time projects so where did that money go this year, look at the budgets major projects did they get the bids already or are they assuming a cost.
You put in the margin so in the event the budget is voted down it can be cut without major impact items (unless you want to make a statement). If you don't have the margin and the budget is voted down you end up in a problem.
I have kids in Cranbury now. Vote no and at least get a second review if the taxes are increased. If they don't increase the taxes then vote yes. The school budget is by far our largest expense.
There is a fear over voting No. If you vote no it only means a secondary review. |
Please get the facts right. The smart boards were purchased by the PTO. The building projects were funded through reserve accounts, NOT through yearly budget increases. Look folks voting no is completely valid, but please know what you are talking about. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010, 11:55 am EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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When is the teachers contract due to expire? |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010, 11:57 am EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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Guest wrote: | When is the teachers contract due to expire? |
This is the key question. |
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Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010, 12:12 pm EST Post subject: Re: What is Cranbury School planning for a budget this year? |
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What has been the annual % increase the teachers and administration have been seeing for pay increases during this current contract?
Not the 3 or 5 year avg but year by year 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.
Most likely these numbers will not be reflective of what is really happening in our economy. |
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