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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 10:09 am EDT    Post subject: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

We just returned from being out of town and were reading our copy of the Cranbury Press from last week. On the front page is an article about a new barn to be built in town for public works. I am shocked to see we will be spending $450,000 on this building in a time when our taxes are being increased. This is another example of waste by our town council and reminds me of the million dollar baseball field which was built and is never used.
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 10:22 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

For storing what? Any idea?
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 11:23 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

In the article it only mentions public works will be able to immediately wash trucks in side the building almost immediately after doing services like snow plowing. How big will this building be?
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 11:27 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

Ten thousand square feet is what I heard
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 11:32 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

waste wrote:
In the article it only mentions public works will be able to immediately wash trucks in side the building almost immediately after doing services like snow plowing. How big will this building be?


Why is it necessary to wash trucks inside a barn?

An "interesting" usage of a barn??
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 11:59 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

10,000 square feet and $450,000 to wash trucks?
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 12:08 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

?? wrote:
waste wrote:
In the article it only mentions public works will be able to immediately wash trucks in side the building almost immediately after doing services like snow plowing. How big will this building be?


Why is it necessary to wash trucks inside a barn?

An "interesting" usage of a barn??


My guess is that they need a comfortable shelter to wash the trucks in a cold day. It also serves as a "garage" for the trucks (maybe trucks can be damaged if sit under the sun too long??).
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 12:35 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

?? wrote:
Why is it necessary to wash trucks inside a barn?

An "interesting" usage of a barn??


I would think that washing a snowplow outdoors in sub-freezing weather might not be the smartest thing to do.
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 12:46 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

What I heard is that storing the trucks outside in the winter has caused them to corrode and wear out faster. Being able to store them inside and wash off salt, etc. right away is expected to increase their usable life which will decrease the rate of capital spend on them. They supposedly did a full ROI (return on investment) analysis of the cost of the barn being covered in the long term savings on the rate of vehicle repair and replacement. I haven't seen it personally which is why I say supposedly.
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 1:08 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

FWIW wrote:
What I heard is that storing the trucks outside in the winter has caused them to corrode and wear out faster. Being able to store them inside and wash off salt, etc. right away is expected to increase their usable life which will decrease the rate of capital spend on them. They supposedly did a full ROI (return on investment) analysis of the cost of the barn being covered in the long term savings on the rate of vehicle repair and replacement. I haven't seen it personally which is why I say supposedly.


I remember when Mayor Cody was on the committee last year they voted to build a wash for the trucks. So this return on investment you speak of does not add up since we already payed for a truck wash last year. What a waste of money.
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 1:28 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

waste wrote:
FWIW wrote:
What I heard is that storing the trucks outside in the winter has caused them to corrode and wear out faster. Being able to store them inside and wash off salt, etc. right away is expected to increase their usable life which will decrease the rate of capital spend on them. They supposedly did a full ROI (return on investment) analysis of the cost of the barn being covered in the long term savings on the rate of vehicle repair and replacement. I haven't seen it personally which is why I say supposedly.


I remember when Mayor Cody was on the committee last year they voted to build a wash for the trucks. So this return on investment you speak of does not add up since we already payed for a truck wash last year. What a waste of money.




I found this from last year when Mayor Cody was running the town in the article it shows we were paying for a truck wash that would last a long time maybe even forever according to the engineer. According to Committeman Jay Taylor the truck wash we paid for last year would allow our trucks to be maintained more consistently. Now this year in the Cranbury Press article from last week he says we need to spend another large sum of money to maintain our public work vehicals. This is all wasteful and the members of our town council should be ashamed of wasting this money.



http://eastwindsor.patch.com/articles/cranbury-committee-approves-47k-public-works-upgrade-plans-tree-planting

The Township Committee unanimously approved a $47,105 bid Tuesday a major feature of this new plan is to allow public works vehicles to be cleaned more regularly by the township. Currently, the township hires an outside company to occasionally come to Cranbury to power-wash the vehicles. Township Engineer William Tanner, who presented this proposal to the committee, said while the current system might seem more cost-effective, updating the facility will ultimately save the township money.

“It’s almost like a ‘pay me now or pay me later’ type of thing,” Tanner said. “In the short run–for the next five or six years–[what we’re doing now] is the better deal,” he continued, but beyond that it won’t be.


Committeeman Jay Taylor agreed with Tanner that public utility trucks should be maintained more consistently. Taylor cited a $10,950 expense last month for what he described as a “total rebuild of the fuel system on one of the trucks.” When salt from roadways kicks up underneath the trucks and then isn’t properly cleaned, damage such as this can occur over time.

Tanner said he felt it is also the right time to approve the work.

“As the economy gets better, that price [for the work] is going to go up, it’s not going to go down,” he said. “You’re looking at a situation where if you decide to do it later on, you may be spending more money.”

Mayor Winthrop Cody questioned the “life expectancy” of the new installation, to which Tanner replied that it will “basically last forever” due to its plastic-coated steel construction.

http://eastwindsor.patch.com/articles/cranbury-committee-approves-47k-public-works-upgrade-plans-tree-planting
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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 20 2012, 2:52 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

"waste"

Do you attend township meetings, or have you expressed your concern directly to a committee member? Posting here does nothing to allay any concerns you have.
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PostPosted: Sat, Apr 21 2012, 9:42 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

Question:
What find of fool would spend money on a building to protect their vehicles and tools?

Answer:
Just about every fool in Cranbury, where almost every house has a garage.
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PostPosted: Sat, Apr 21 2012, 10:06 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

" Now this year in the Cranbury Press article from last week he says we need to spend another large sum of money to maintain our public work vehicles. This is all wasteful and the members of our town council should be ashamed of wasting this money. "

So, we spent $47K to build the truck garage in the hope of reducing future truck maintenance fees. Now, the garage has been built ($47K gone), and we are still spending large sum of money on truck maintenance fees?
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PostPosted: Sat, Apr 21 2012, 11:51 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

I actually spoke with Mr. Taylor. The truck wash installed last year is simply a drain pipe with an oil and sand separator. It was legally required to wash the trucks off outside. If that was not put in then the vehicles could not be washed at all regardless of the time of year.

This new barn has a pipe connecting a drain to the system built last year so now the vehicles can be washed off as they come inside after plowing or salting the roads. There was no way to wash vehicles off indoors last year and you can't take dump trucks to a car wash. Also he stated that the cost is about 100k under the 450 stated here for the barn and build. This is covered by bonds and notes already taken out by TC's prior to any of the existing members.
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PostPosted: Sat, Apr 21 2012, 4:43 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Public works storage barn Reply with quote

Thank you for clarifying the trucks could already be washed outside and Mr Taylor is spending $350,000 this year according to the number you posted so our trucks can instead be washed inside. It probably was too hard for our public works department to be washing the trucks outside so spending this money was the only option. Maybe we should also hire some extra employees to wash the trucks since it still may be to grueling for our current staff. Thank you mr Taylor for spending a total of $400,000 over the last 2 years to wash our towns trucks.

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I actually spoke with Mr. Taylor. The truck wash installed last year is simply a drain pipe with an oil and sand separator. It was legally required to wash the trucks off outside. If that was not put in then the vehicles could not be washed at all regardless of the time of year.

This new barn has a pipe connecting a drain to the system built last year so now the vehicles can be washed off as they come inside after plowing or salting the roads. There was no way to wash vehicles off indoors last year and you can't take dump trucks to a car wash. Also he stated that the cost is about 100k under the 450 stated here for the barn and build. This is covered by bonds and notes already taken out by TC's prior to any of the existing members.
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