Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 10:26 pm EDT    Post subject: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

Can someone please explain why Mayor Taylor has spent so much energy along with substantial township attorney fees to get two ordinances that were just voted down created? Actually there was no vote because no member would make the motion to bring these ordinances up for a vote.
Along with that folly why did we need a 20 plus page contract with Historical Society for the house that is to be moved to the park on Old Trenton Road? A simple contract just like the one on the History Center would have been sufficient. It also would have been nice to have given the contract to the Historical Society in time for them to read it but as usual everything is at the last minute[Remember Penske!]
Fortunately there were some folks who really knew what they were talking about and even though there was little notification on these new ordinances[as usual] the board members without Mayor Taylor [who was conveniently absent] listened and in all good conscience could not vote yes on The Mayor's ordinances.
It certainly seems that both the Mayor and Administrator who oversee these things have kept the rest of the committee members out of the loop and the community in the dark. It really is a shame that the circus we call our local government is run so ineptly.
Its about time the proposed ordinances are posted [as complete documents not just by number and name] in a timely manner for everyone to review and that the first and second reading is more than a formality. This nonsense of keeping the public without comment in the dark and no consideration during the initial phases of a new ordinance only lines the pockets of the attorney. The township attorney serves at the pleasure of the Mayor and as many of us see things it just may be time to look for a new attorney who is not so attached to some of our committee members.
Before any ordinance is created there needs to be public notice and comment and that will allow for creative ideas and participation by the public who will be affected by these new ordinances. Cranbury is a town of more than just a few select folks who run everything; it is a town where all folks should have a say as to what actions are taken and what monies are spent.
It is time to keep the public properly informed.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 7:26 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

anon;oqs5-0076 wrote:
Can someone please explain why Mayor Taylor has spent so much energy along with substantial township attorney fees to get two ordinances that were just voted down created? Actually there was no vote because no member would make the motion to bring these ordinances up for a vote.
Along with that folly why did we need a 20 plus page contract with Historical Society for the house that is to be moved to the park on Old Trenton Road? A simple contract just like the one on the History Center would have been sufficient. It also would have been nice to have given the contract to the Historical Society in time for them to read it but as usual everything is at the last minute[Remember Penske!]
Fortunately there were some folks who really knew what they were talking about and even though there was little notification on these new ordinances[as usual] the board members without Mayor Taylor [who was conveniently absent] listened and in all good conscience could not vote yes on The Mayor's ordinances.
It certainly seems that both the Mayor and Administrator who oversee these things have kept the rest of the committee members out of the loop and the community in the dark. It really is a shame that the circus we call our local government is run so ineptly.
Its about time the proposed ordinances are posted [as complete documents not just by number and name] in a timely manner for everyone to review and that the first and second reading is more than a formality. This nonsense of keeping the public without comment in the dark and no consideration during the initial phases of a new ordinance only lines the pockets of the attorney. The township attorney serves at the pleasure of the Mayor and as many of us see things it just may be time to look for a new attorney who is not so attached to some of our committee members.
Before any ordinance is created there needs to be public notice and comment and that will allow for creative ideas and participation by the public who will be affected by these new ordinances. Cranbury is a town of more than just a few select folks who run everything; it is a town where all folks should have a say as to what actions are taken and what monies are spent.
It is time to keep the public properly informed.


Since you know so much, what are the ordinances about? And when did the vote take place that you claim he conveniently missed?
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 8:15 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

Here goes Indivisible again. Worse it seems a TC member posted because no matter where I look in TC notes I cannot find the lease for the CHPS house. So therefore to know the lease is 20 pages you need internal knowledge. I sit on the board of CHPS and have not seen the lease yet and know those negotiating are not the type to be here bashing Jay so that leaves a TC member making this post.

So this is the state of the town. Not only does a Tc member take to this board, but they post wrong information. The mayor does not appoint the attorney. The TC votes on the Attorney.

The meeting notes show the setback ordinance was voted in 5-0 to be introduced 7/22 and the full details of the proposed change are in the ordinance. Also having attended meetings the public and TC cannot comment when an ordinance is introduced. So you had from 7/22 to 8/12 to review the ordinance. Where did the ordinance come from why was it raised? You do not say. you are saying the 4 others had no clue what they were introducing when they voted to introduce not did they study it prior to 8/12. this is again a worry for next year when Indivisible is running the TC. This group ignores facts.

don’t you want the atty to look out for our interests as a town if we’re taking a house the town does not own and placing it on Twp land. While I am on the board, i want a fair lease. if CHPS disbands, can’t afford it in a few years, can’t finish the renovation work then what? The TC should protect the town. I don’t care if it is 20 pages or 200. Look at the mess with the swim club that existed for decades.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 7:28 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

anon;oqs5-0076 wrote:
Can someone please explain why Mayor Taylor has spent so much energy along with substantial township attorney fees to get two ordinances that were just voted down created? Actually there was no vote because no member would make the motion to bring these ordinances up for a vote.
Along with that folly why did we need a 20 plus page contract with Historical Society for the house that is to be moved to the park on Old Trenton Road? A simple contract just like the one on the History Center would have been sufficient. It also would have been nice to have given the contract to the Historical Society in time for them to read it but as usual everything is at the last minute[Remember Penske!]
Fortunately there were some folks who really knew what they were talking about and even though there was little notification on these new ordinances[as usual] the board members without Mayor Taylor [who was conveniently absent] listened and in all good conscience could not vote yes on The Mayor's ordinances.
It certainly seems that both the Mayor and Administrator who oversee these things have kept the rest of the committee members out of the loop and the community in the dark. It really is a shame that the circus we call our local government is run so ineptly.
Its about time the proposed ordinances are posted [as complete documents not just by number and name] in a timely manner for everyone to review and that the first and second reading is more than a formality. This nonsense of keeping the public without comment in the dark and no consideration during the initial phases of a new ordinance only lines the pockets of the attorney. The township attorney serves at the pleasure of the Mayor and as many of us see things it just may be time to look for a new attorney who is not so attached to some of our committee members.
Before any ordinance is created there needs to be public notice and comment and that will allow for creative ideas and participation by the public who will be affected by these new ordinances. Cranbury is a town of more than just a few select folks who run everything; it is a town where all folks should have a say as to what actions are taken and what monies are spent.
It is time to keep the public properly informed.


Do you really think you're actually changing anyone's mind or are you just resigned to being the biggest d-bag you can be?
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 9:58 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

All ordinances are prepared and provided to the TC for reading and discussion. Further, they are published in the Cranbury Press and I believe what was the Home News ( maybe now called the Home Tribune, the New Brunswick paper for everyone to read. I may be wrong about the New Brunswick paper. They use to be published there. The mayor is only one person on the TC committee. He or she has the authority to make committee appointments, but the attorney and other outside consultants are approved by the TC. I fear someone might have simply received the wrong information about this subject or just doesn’t like Jay.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 11:58 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

Jay lost his mind. He is now posting complains about himself. Cheer up mates, you just got your tax cut.
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PostPosted: Tue, Aug 20 2019, 6:45 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

If anyone was wondering why it is hard to get quality people to run for TC, they only need look at the first post. Some people in this town are really messed up now. Abraham Lincoln once said better to be thought a fool then open your mouth and prove it. Now people are taking pride in proving themselves fools.
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 11:55 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

Jay trying to push through ordinances through that will benefit him before Glenn and Dan are gone. That's all. Politics as usual.
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 1:18 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

How does a setback benefit him? He has a huge barn and a huge yard. He could put in a two story building and meet the setbacks with no issue. You folks crack me up trying to raise issues. If he really did care why would have have put this on the agenda if he was not there to vote on it and advocate. He really is the boogeyman to you Indivisible folk.
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 1:25 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

A really if you are looking at who will benefit the only Tc member who would is Mike. He has the smallest yard and one where the setbacks would be beneficial if moved. The others have large yards or even large yards with existing buildings— Jay and Matt.

I am not saying this was done for Mike. I am only highlighting the idiocy of those claiming a personal benefit.
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 21 2019, 9:25 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 11:06 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

anon-4853 wrote:
How does a setback benefit him? He has a huge barn and a huge yard. He could put in a two story building and meet the setbacks with no issue. You folks crack me up trying to raise issues. If he really did care why would have have put this on the agenda if he was not there to vote on it and advocate. He really is the boogeyman to you Indivisible folk.


Maybe Jay can explain where this came from at the next TC meeting. Looks like the TC members didn't want to discuss it, did they?
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 1:29 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

Maybe I’m missing something. The August meeting was cancelled so there was no ordinance introduced. There is no new ordinance posted on the township website, and the last ordinance dealt with hiring a police chief. Where is this all coming from?
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 4:29 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

It is very confusing. More on that here. And then there were first and second reading on the same topic?

https://www.cranburytownship.org/TC-Documents/2019/TC-minutes-072219.pdf

b). Cranbury Township Ordinance No. 07-19-12- Proposed Amendments to the
Requirements for Accessory Buildings and Swimming Pools in All Residential
Zones in Cranbury Township
First Reading
a). Cranbury Township Ordinance No. 08-19-13- Proposed Amendments to the
Requirements for Accessory Buildings and Swimming Pools in All Residential
Zones in Cranbury Township
(Second Reading September 23rd, 2019)

Did Jay replace his shed yet he lost a couple months ago?
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:16 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

The TC does not actually propose zoning ordinances. They are done through zoning recommendations via the planner and Land use entities. The TC only puts them on the agenda and votes on the adoption. When a zoning issue is raised from a land use entity it goes to the Mayor to be put on the agenda. The TC introduces the ordinance and then they pass it to the Planning Board for comment. If the PB has changed it then the ordinance originally proposed dies and the TC will propose a second ordinance that incorporates the Planning Board changes. In all cases the planner drafts and verified it not the TC. Usually the TC does not ignore the PB either.

Maybe it is simply that the Planning Board, planner or other entity said it is ridiculous to ask for variances that cost residents thousands of dollars for sheds and pools when there is an easier fix by changing the setback. Then someone does not need to seek a variance and pay engineering, planning and legal fees to the town.

In terms of Jay replacing his shed having an impact. His property backs on heritage park. I store my snow blower in the shed. I want it as close to my house as possible when it snows. Why would Jay or anyone else want to walk across their whole back yard and track through snow and rain to get anything out? This is why 99% of sheds are near a driveway. Not in some remote part of a big yard. There is no logic to these accusations it is just trolling and the same anti Jay, Glenn and Dan posters stirring things up.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 11:32 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Mayor Taylor Blows more $$$ on attorney fees Reply with quote

According to the minutes referenced The Planner was responsible for the ordinance change after discussions with residents. Then it sure seems that the planner failed miserably by not anticipating the potential negative impacts that were obvious to the folks who did their homework and saw the flaws in the ordinances. If those folks did not present an excellent argument against the ordinances we would have created more problems, not reduced them.
The committee should really solicit input from the residents concerned and then ask for the many talented folks in town of all occupations to give their recommendations. A community advisory board for these things might just help eliminate wasted tax $$$ on "professionals" who do not live here but make their living from the taxpayers.
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