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[quote="Guest"][quote]You talk of safety and right here you are talking of people fighting their speeding tickets.  If they did the speed limit (the law) they would not have a speeding ticket.  Regardless of what your view and that is what it is since you have not sat there doing a traffic study nor are a licensed engineer, the county made it 35mph.  So that is the limit.[/quote] I have read about the traffic study, and the engineer did not approve of changing the limit. Therefore, the limit was unreasonably changed. I do not know why you cannot see that. I talk of people fighting their speeding tickets because the system is unfair and unsafe, and if people keep paying unreasonable tickets, then it will keep being unsafe. It depends on the ticket. 50 mph down a small residential side road in the rain? No. 60 mph on a section of 'construction' zone that has no obstructions, but is posted at 40 mph anyway because there is going to be some construction happening there in several months? Sure. The idea that 'the law is the law, if they didn't break the law they wouldn't have a ticket' is not only untrue because the police make mistakes when there are multiple drivers (happens more than you think), its incredibly one dimensional because it ignores the general mechanics of what happens. It doesn't matter what the limit is posted at. People drive for the prevailing conditions of the road. Period. This has been proven again and again by many studies, and it has been proven that the 85th percentile speed limit is the safest speed limit. This is not disputable, yet people seem to be digging in their heels and outright denying it because it does not agree with their worldview.

I[quote] don't think most people agree that 35mph is right.  However, I also think that the majority say okay if that is the legal speed limit I'll do it to avoid a ticket.  When it becomes unsafe is when people such as yourself say I'm going to ignore the speed limit and do 50 or 44.  In such an instance that leads to tailgating or those drivers passing dangerously because they are not doing the speed limit.[/quote] No, it is not unsafe. What is unsafe is that the limit is set too low. 50 would be with the flow of traffic, in fact probably slower than it. 44 when no one around is pretty slow anyway. Nobody does the legal speed limit to avoid a ticket unless there is a cop around, though some (including me) will go 9 over just to be safe if we are alone. Obviously though, if someone IS going 35 (never seen anyone go 35 there ever) tailgating them or passing them unsafely is dangerous, and I would not do that though its NJ and its a fact of life that many will do that.

[quote]I will say I fully support your energy if you are going to go before the county freeholders.[/quote] Good. I am going to do that eventually, and probably more. I plan to challenge the 50 mph limit on the route 133 bypass as well as some local limits around here. Obviously just going up to these guys and saying 'the speed limits are too low, science doesn't support them' isnt going to make them listen, because they're set for political reasons. But there may be ways to do this according to state and federal law.[/quote]

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