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[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Publius Clodius Pulcher"]Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. Sarcasm intended[/quote] Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…[/quote] Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang![/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 11:49 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Klimt!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 11:47 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You sound like you are the life of every party!!!!!!!! <br />(sarcasm intended)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Depends on the party. The poster wouldn't be welcome at the "Tea" party because they abhor things like facts or history. But some parties like conversations that run deeper than jingoisms.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Yes, I can picture all of your party friends standing around sipping Pimm's whilst admiring your Klimnt!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 7:56 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You sound like you are the life of every party!!!!!!!! <br />(sarcasm intended)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Depends on the party. The poster wouldn't be welcome at the "Tea" party because they abhor things like facts or history. But some parties like conversations that run deeper than jingoisms.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 7:29 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sorry, I was not clear, the Buckley thing doesn't fit I meant this to be more of a liberal elite sort of critique of modern tea party interpretation of American historical documents. <br /> <br />Though you are right on target that Buckley would have known the precedents. That is why Buckley could make a good living arguing with liberals. They could both agree on the facts of the matter. The current right wing trying to make arguments using the Federalist papers, don't understand the documents or the era in which they were written to make coherent arguments. <br /> <br />You have thankfully cleared up my somewhat muddy thought process. I guess I am calling for a sort of right wing elitism because while I may disagree with there conclusions, I can at least argue with there logic. <br /> <br />With the current tea party, it seems we are speaking different languages.[/quote] <br /> <br />Appreciate your comments</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 3:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Get over yourself William F. Buckley!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Sorry, I was not clear, the Buckley thing doesn't fit I meant this to be more of a liberal elite sort of critique of modern tea party interpretation of American historical documents. <br /> <br />Though you are right on target that Buckley would have known the precedents. That is why Buckley could make a good living arguing with liberals. They could both agree on the facts of the matter. The current right wing trying to make arguments using the Federalist papers, don't understand the documents or the era in which they were written to make coherent arguments. <br /> <br />You have thankfully cleared up my somewhat muddy thought process. I guess I am calling for a sort of right wing elitism because while I may disagree with there conclusions, I can at least argue with there logic. <br /> <br />With the current tea party, it seems we are speaking different languages.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................wake me when you say something interesting!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 3:53 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You sound like you are the life of every party!!!!!!!! <br />(sarcasm intended)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 2:07 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It is rare that I learn anything by visiting cranbury.info. Thank you for this!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 2:05 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Get over yourself William F. Buckley!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Sorry, I was not clear, the Buckley thing doesn't fit I meant this to be more of a liberal elite sort of critique of modern tea party interpretation of American historical documents. <br /> <br />Though you are right on target that Buckley would have known the precedents. That is why Buckley could make a good living arguing with liberals. They could both agree on the facts of the matter. The current right wing trying to make arguments using the Federalist papers, don't understand the documents or the era in which they were written to make coherent arguments. <br /> <br />You have thankfully cleared up my somewhat muddy thought process. I guess I am calling for a sort of right wing elitism because while I may disagree with there conclusions, I can at least argue with there logic. <br /> <br />With the current tea party, it seems we are speaking different languages.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 1:18 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Get over yourself William F. Buckley!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 1:17 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Who gives a rat's fat *ss?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 1:16 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />OY VEY! <br />It's just a name, Ignatz!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 11:18 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actuakky, I got publius from The Federalist papers, ya Ying/Yang!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you read the Federalist papers without Knowing the historical references and antecedents you will interpret them in strange and very questionable ways.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 10:22 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Then take it up with the Surpreme Court. They alone dictate what is Constitutional in our system of government, so it is premature for you to label it such because neither you or Congress or the President, let alone Beck, Ruch or Fox News has the authority to do so. For now it is the law of the land.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 10:17 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, but Publius Clodius Pulcher was a real person. The "Publius" was a self-awarded title he gave himself when he organized an unconstitutional "adoption" into the plebian (i.e. commoner) class when he symbolically renounced his noble birth. He did this because he was already an outcast among his peers and in fact had narrowly avoided forced exile by famously bribing the jury (with the help of Caesar’s ally Crassus, the same guy famous for crucifying Spartacus and all his supporters up and down the roads leading to Rome). He fed on the popularity of the mob – not the middle class or noble class but the constantly disaffected lower class that loved his violence and willingness to threaten senators by disregarding the laws by the use of armed gangs within the city limits (and since it was a sacred Roman law and tradition that no armed army soldiers were allowed within the city walls there was no easy way to counter this except, eventually, by counter gangs). Publius has many historical references but Publius Clodius Pulcher is specific.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 9:58 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Publius Clodius Pulcher wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of course we should all not even consider the constitution. Who cares if the governments involvement in health care directly contradicts it? Mandating that someone has to have health care and that the internal revenue service can come after you if you don't have the coverage the government says you must have sound completely constitutional to me. <br /> <br />Sarcasm intended</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Interesting that you chose for your signature a famous Roman aristocrat known for his incestuous relations with his sisters, for using martial violence and mob rule to try and overthrow the Roman Republic and Constitution and whose eventual murder was celebrated by Cicero and other Roman senators, in an eerie precursor to Caesar – who happened to be one of his biggest supporters – for restoring order to the Republic…</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Publius is Latin for friend of the People. You ersatz constitutional "scholar".</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 24 2010, 9:51 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: New healthcare benefits for Cranbury residents start tomorrow</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Actually.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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