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[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Jack Frohbieter"] My original point is that sending Rush Holt back to Congress is to give your approval to the spending that he has voted for and to encourage more of the same. I for one believe this is against the best interest of this country and its citizens. If you agree with the spending that is occurring vote for Rush. If not, vote for Scott.[/quote] OK, so you believe that Rush Holt's voting record that shows he voted to prevent health insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, to protect social security, to close the Medicare prescription "donut-hole", to make higher education more affordable, and to protect the environment, "is against the best interest of this country and its citizens" ?? Are you completely out of your mind? You my friend are the enemy and not Congressman Rush Holt.[/quote] Your both enemies of rational policy. You come across like as much of a zealot as the other side, accusing anyone who doesn't agree with you as being the "enemy" or out of their minds. Personally I'll vote for Holt, but not reflexively because he is a Democrat as some people do. But I also understand the root of the discontent with the health care reform, even if I don't completely agree with it. The problem is despite years of history and now multiple periods with each party in power practicing its philosophy on governing, there is no unequivocal proof that either side's policies work. Reagan governed with trickle down economics and we eventually saw prosperity, but it was also the historic period of uplift that typically followed a conventional recession like the one he had early in his tenure, and it was accomplished partially by quadrupling our national debt – the first time it was ever measured in trillions. Clinton governed by all the typical Democrat principles and policies and we saw the greatest economic uplift in our history, yet it also arguably set us up for some of what killed us a couple years ago that we’re still recovering from. Each side can find plenty to support their cases and plenty to use to condemn the other side. Anyone who states one side absolutely is right and the other side are idiots, etc. doesn’t have a lot of historical perspective or a full grasp of the facts. So when you look at health care reform, for example, you can see a positive step in the right direction to close loopholes and cover another 40 million Americans without insurance. Or you can see a boondoggle that does not help most of the 85% of Americans that already had insurance whose primary problem is the soaring cost, which arguably will and already is only getting worse as a result. Looked at from this point of view some people see something that will make their lives worse, not better, and believe it will ultimately fail as a result of costs but not before doing a lot of damage. Of course there are counter arguments to all of this too. The point is it is not black & white. The real word is full of gray. People who think it’s absolutely clear are usually the dumb ones. Of course the simpleton’s who see things in absolutes also tend to frame everything in political party jingoism. Everything wrong is the Democrats fault. They are all socialists. Or Republicans are all evil, extremists or conspiring to make us all slaves to the rich elite. Blah, blah, blah. As soon as you read that kind of preamble you know right away that everything that comes after it will be nonsense.[/quote]
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Guest
Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2010, 9:48 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
The tea party is just the gop with a new brand!
Guest
Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2010, 8:54 pm EDT
Post subject: Origins of the Tea Party
We've had some krazy missinformantion here about the original tea party at Cranbury and what the nantional movement has warped into recently. To set the record straight I wanted to post this article from the founder of the movement and his comments about how its been warped by Palin and gang into something that it was totally against, anyway its a good read:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 8:56 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
Well Scooter, your responses have become weak and boring. See you at the club... And remember, I like my water with lemon, and just a little ice.
Remember..................don't drink yellow ice!
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 6:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Well Scooter, your responses have become weak and boring. See you at the club... And remember, I like my water with lemon, and just a little ice.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 6:10 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
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You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
You nailed it! How did you know? Your 2 dimensional view of the world will serve you well. There are rich people (AKA bad people) and there are poor people (AKA the good people). Fortunately for you, your sarcastic attitude, artistic dreams and refusal to give in to "the man", will land you a low-wage, dead-end job where you can spend the rest of your life glomming off your parents and your Uncle Sam without fear of becoming one of those evil rich people.
We know that you root for Ebeneezer Scrooge, Gordon Gekko, and Mr Potter from Its a Wonderful Life!
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 9:31 am EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
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You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
You nailed it! How did you know? Your 2 dimensional view of the world will serve you well. There are rich people (AKA bad people) and there are poor people (AKA the good people). Fortunately for you, your sarcastic attitude, artistic dreams and refusal to give in to "the man", will land you a low-wage, dead-end job where you can spend the rest of your life glomming off your parents and your Uncle Sam without fear of becoming one of those evil rich people.
OMG!!!!!!!
How did you know all of that?
Did you put a camera in my house?
Seriously.................did you???
Guest
Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2010, 9:28 am EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
You nailed it! How did you know? Your 2 dimensional view of the world will serve you well. There are rich people (AKA bad people) and there are poor people (AKA the good people). Fortunately for you, your sarcastic attitude, artistic dreams and refusal to give in to "the man", will land you a low-wage, dead-end job where you can spend the rest of your life glomming off your parents and your Uncle Sam without fear of becoming one of those evil rich people.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 11:11 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
You're wasting your time with Mr. Upper Class Snot who is comfortably numb in his cushy, oak-panelled world.
I can picture him now in his crushed velvet smoking jacket and his snifter of cognac laughing gleefully while he pounds away on his gold-plated keyboard.
"I think I'll buy some IBM tomorrow", he says with a haughty smirk.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:44 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Funny, I was just wondering how far your big mouth and lilly white ideology would get you under the same set of circumstances. After you pee your pants in a panic and flag down a cop who busts your cold, wet butt for the weed in your pocket and tosses you in a holding cell with a bunch of your new friends from the hood, how long will it take you to call an "insensitive jerk" to bail you out?
Grow up Scooter! You're out of your league.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:19 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Get off your soapbox. There's a lot of room between where we are today and eliminating ALL government safety nets and social support systems. I'll bet most of the people you're spouting off about give way more time and money to charity than you.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:18 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Again, ignoring all the facts and specific questions you were asked. 50% of people don't pay taxes but 50% of people are not homeless on Perry Street. There is plenty of safety net without taxing the upper-middle class more while expecting half the people to contribute nothing. No one said anything about no "safety net." The argument is over how big it is an how few people have to hold it for everyone else. Yes, we pay for that safety net but we are insensitive jerks because apparently we don't agree a few people should have to pay even more while no one else does.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 9:47 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
I would love to see all of you rich insensitive people knocked senseless, have amnesia, and be left homeless on Perry Street in the middle of Trenton in the winter without a coat. Then let's see how you really feel about not having a government safety net or anyone else to help you out.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 6:32 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
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Whadda ya gonna do, tax the poor?
What's so wrong with taxing the "poor" their fair share? Of course, they'll get most of their taxes back in services. However, if anyone should have the government managing the lion's share of their money, shouldn't it be the people who rely on the government to pick up the tab?
Traditionally, the poor have no money!
Our government has a broad definition of "poor people". Everyone should pay taxes, otherwise there is no incentive to spend wisely. .
WOW!
You must've taken the short bus to go to school!!!!!!!!!!
You are officially a numbnut!
And you're even less credible that Rush, Glen or Sarah. All you can do to support your case is throw cliche insults? I notice you have nothing to say when asked direct questions from previous posters citing facts about taxes. All you have is your demagoguery which puts you on par with the worst of the “tea baggers” you disparage.
You're taking yourself WAY too seriously, Zippy!
This is just some stupid municipal chat board. Nobody cares what goes on in here.
Rant away, Zip!
We know that you like to show off your grasp of mundane, arcane useless knowledge, but, nobody really gives a rat's fat arse about it.
Now now Scooter. That isn't very nice. For now, you may be a "poor" witless troll, but someday you're going to have a real job and real responsibilities and you might not be so glib about the real taxes you're going to have to pay when you're making your own real money. Now finish up your homework and get to bed! Your education is costing me a fortune.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 5:15 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
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Whadda ya gonna do, tax the poor?
What's so wrong with taxing the "poor" their fair share? Of course, they'll get most of their taxes back in services. However, if anyone should have the government managing the lion's share of their money, shouldn't it be the people who rely on the government to pick up the tab? How many times have you seen a welfare recipient with a new leather jacket, $100 pair of shoes, a satellite dish or a new blackberry?
Traditionally, the poor have no money!
It's tough to get money from people who don't really have any. Maybe, the poor are better off in your neighborhood?
Our government has a broad definition of "poor people". Everyone should pay taxes, otherwise there is no incentive to spend wisely. Look at the abbott districts, they spend the state's money like water. Do you think New Brunswick High would have cost $150 million if a reasonable percentage of the cost was borne by local tax payers?
PS- just for kicks and giggles, drive through a city full of poor people and look at all the satellite dishes.
WOW!
You must've taken the short bus to go to school!!!!!!!!!!
You are officially a numbnut!
And you're even less credible that Rush, Glen or Sarah. All you can do to support your case is throw cliche insults? I notice you have nothing to say when asked direct questions from previous posters citing facts about taxes. All you have is your demagoguery which puts you on par with the worst of the “tea baggers” you disparage.
You're taking yourself WAY too seriously, Zippy!
This is just some stupid municipal chat board. Nobody cares what goes on in here.
Rant away, Zip!
We know that you like to show off your grasp of mundane, arcane useless knowledge, but, nobody really gives a rat's fat arse about it.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 3:59 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
They are NOT cliche insults.................they are original!
Guest
Posted: Tue, Oct 19 2010, 10:18 am EDT
Post subject: Re: VIDEO: Asbury Park Press editorial board Sipprelle vs Holt
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
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Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Whadda ya gonna do, tax the poor?
What's so wrong with taxing the "poor" their fair share? Of course, they'll get most of their taxes back in services. However, if anyone should have the government managing the lion's share of their money, shouldn't it be the people who rely on the government to pick up the tab? How many times have you seen a welfare recipient with a new leather jacket, $100 pair of shoes, a satellite dish or a new blackberry?
Traditionally, the poor have no money!
It's tough to get money from people who don't really have any. Maybe, the poor are better off in your neighborhood?
Our government has a broad definition of "poor people". Everyone should pay taxes, otherwise there is no incentive to spend wisely. Look at the abbott districts, they spend the state's money like water. Do you think New Brunswick High would have cost $150 million if a reasonable percentage of the cost was borne by local tax payers?
PS- just for kicks and giggles, drive through a city full of poor people and look at all the satellite dishes.
WOW!
You must've taken the short bus to go to school!!!!!!!!!!
You are officially a numbnut!
And you're even less credible that Rush, Glen or Sarah. All you can do to support your case is throw cliche insults? I notice you have nothing to say when asked direct questions from previous posters citing facts about taxes. All you have is your demagoguery which puts you on par with the worst of the “tea baggers” you disparage.