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[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"]Winn's current actions on this budget seem more politically motivated and personal than what is in the best interest of the township. If he fights this tax increase, then, yes, he can run in November on the platform that he is a hardcore "no new taxes" guy. That’s a great soundbite for a campaigning politician, but according to the four other members of the TC and the administrator, a huge financial landmine for the township by 2016. Will Winn be out of office by then? Possibly, and it will be a future TC’s problem, and they will have to dramatically raise taxes and cut services to deal with his decision to deplete the surplus. So government as usual, one person makes a decision based on politics, not facts, and four thousand people have to deal with the consequences in the future. I applaud everyone else on the committee who are making apolitical decisions for the benefit of the current and future community. I am disappointed in Winn if he continues on this personal campaign to deplete our surplus instead of making the tough and unpopular decision of a slight tax increase at this time.[/quote] But all 5 TC members seem to support drawing down the surplus, not just Win. The Township's proposed budget is spending almost $500K to accelerate pay down of low interest, and drawing $1.8 million from a surplus reserve that could be completely depleted in 3-4 years even before accounting for upcoming projects like the dam and Liberty Way that could instantly use it all up and still require us to seek new debt. If the principle goal of the TC majority is to lessen the impact of future tax increase shock, they would be using all of the current proposed tax increase and the $500K from the State to cover as much of the expenses as possible and not draw so much from the surplus or needlessly pay down low interest debt only to need to soon get new debt at a likely higher rate. It seems to me Win is disagreeing with recklessly wasting the State money on accelerated debt payments at the expense of additional surplus draw down. Debt and surplus reduction make sense when you are having flush years and don’t see major mandatory projects on the immediate horizon, but neither of those things are true now. The opposite is true. I don’t completely agree with either TC position, Win’s or the others. I don’t agree with Win that we should hold against any tax increase now, knowing we’ll just have to take an even larger hit very soon down the road. Better to do it gradually, especially with the one-year caps in place. In three years we could face a necessary increase that exceeds the TC’s legal ability to increase it and they will either have to convince the Township voters to override the cap and suck up a world of year-over-year pain or they will have to drastically cut services suddenly. But I also strongly disagree with the other TC members that we waste so much surplus drawing down debt right now.[/quote] A few clarifications to the above based on conversations with members of the TC. Win does not want to raise taxes rather he wants to use the surplus (state aid is not guaranteed yet) thus worry for today and hope for tomorrow. Win's view is that our rateable value will increase for the first time in years. The other 4 feel that the experts in town who are doing the revaluation work and budget work are correct and that rateables will not increase. The other 4- 2 Dems and 2 Reps don't want to draw down the surplus to this extent using the 1.8 million that Win does. Instead they want to raise the taxes 2 cents so that we're approximately drawing down 320k less surplus. The surplus is 4.9 million, but 20% has to remain untouched to keep the bond rating. All 5 agree on this. So the total is 2.9 million that can be used now and tomorrow for tax help. The concern as I understand it is that if they have to use 1.8 million that the surplus remaining is 1.1 million in a few years it is exhausted and even next year we could have a major tax increase. In terms of the debt payment I am told this is a variable rate much like a credit card. I understand that was a discussion as a means to prepare for the Dam which is 1 million or more and other immediate long term expenses which will add major debt (even if affordable housing does not go through). The other discussion is if the state aid comes through to set it aside for capital expenses such as paying for the Dam so as not to add debt which would affect our tax rate, bond and cost us more long term. I can't see the position of raising taxes as political as it is supported evenly by the parties so I don't think you can see a more impartial view.[/quote] Whatever you may have been told, the draft budget that was shared with the public includes almost $500K in accelerated debt payment. Even if they say they are using state aid to cover this, that is just semantics when they are drawing $1.8M from the surplus. The net result is more surplus would be used to accelerate debt payment. Doing this does not help prepare us for the dam or other expenses.[/quote]
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 4:00 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Agree with the above poster. Christie cutting state "aid" but not reducing state mandates is just smoke-and-mirrors politics. Even calling it "aid" is George-Orwell-speak. Where is the money from this state "aid" coming from? Local taxes. It is not aid -- it is a round-trip re-distribution of local taxes. So right now the state as not meaningfully reduced its expenses or need for revenue from local taxes and has not reduced its state mandates on local taxes but set a cap on spending, which means the state receivables from local taxes and mandates on local municipality and school budgets represent a larger and larger percentage of overall costs. Combined with a declining tax base that means Christie expects local officials to somehow make up all the difference with only a slice of their total budget to work with, while he does nothing to comparably reduce the burden imposed by the state.
It is actually the height of cynicism.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 2:23 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
By cutting aid and capping tax increases to 2%, Gov. Christie is doing the right thing for the state and the town budgets, but it is a long term plan and most towns had to increase local taxes last year to deal with the big cuts in state aid. I believe the average increase in NJ municipal taxes last year was 4% state wide. Based on the unknown impact of these coming changes, we should not use our surplus at all, especially to fill in gaps on a budget that has either not enough revenues or too many expenses.
NJ is about to undergo a big change in how much we spend, which is totally necessary, and Cranbury should have an ample surplus to ease through that change without deteriorating our schools and township services. We are a premier town that has been run extremely well for a long time; people have no idea what other towns are going through right now. If we have to do a modest tax increase to get through these changes, it is unfortunate but seems necessary. If we get more than anticipated state aid or increased revenues from our ratables, those will be good problems to have, but I don’t want to “hope” they happen in the future and deplete our surplus to solve our current problem.
When Christie cuts the state mandates, I will agree with you. Until then he has just shifted the burden to municipalities. I would call it gutless, but I still hold out hope he cuts the mandates.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 12:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
By cutting aid and capping tax increases to 2%, Gov. Christie is doing the right thing for the state and the town budgets, but it is a long term plan and most towns had to increase local taxes last year to deal with the big cuts in state aid. I believe the average increase in NJ municipal taxes last year was 4% state wide. Based on the unknown impact of these coming changes, we should not use our surplus at all, especially to fill in gaps on a budget that has either not enough revenues or too many expenses.
NJ is about to undergo a big change in how much we spend, which is totally necessary, and Cranbury should have an ample surplus to ease through that change without deteriorating our schools and township services. We are a premier town that has been run extremely well for a long time; people have no idea what other towns are going through right now. If we have to do a modest tax increase to get through these changes, it is unfortunate but seems necessary. If we get more than anticipated state aid or increased revenues from our ratables, those will be good problems to have, but I don’t want to “hope” they happen in the future and deplete our surplus to solve our current problem.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2011, 8:38 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
I want to know when my assessment goes down. Are we still on the 5-year rotating schedule? Because I am still paying the taxes for the high assessment - Can't trust our tax collector. Maybe I am better off getting a lawyer, like others have done...
Why can't you trust the assessor? Do you have specific examples of distrustful behavior?
The Township can only reassess a certain percentage of homes a year, which does not include individual requests for reassessment. To request a reassessment you need to be able to point to at least two good applicable recent comp sales. Either way, the the County has to approve the changes. The Township tends to hit different neighborhoods different years. My house has lost substantial value in the last 5 years, but I didn't have unequivical comps until last year. Now those sales are being used to reassess my neighborhood. I have found the Township assessor to be very accessible and equitable in my dealings.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2011, 7:29 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
I want to know when my assessment goes down. Are we still on the 5-year rotating schedule? Because I am still paying the taxes for the high assessment - Can't trust our tax collector. Maybe I am better off getting a lawyer, like others have done...
All you have to do is call the town and ask for the assessor to come out. He'll review the sales in your area, your home and some other factors. There are certain times of year when this can be done and he'll explain it. The assessment may hold or lower. You don't need a lawyer and they are very willing to help.
I don't know anyone who worked with Town Hall and needed a lawyer unless they were a business. Yet, I know many home owners who asked for Steve to come out and he did.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2011, 5:43 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
I want to know when my assessment goes down. Are we still on the 5-year rotating schedule? Because I am still paying the taxes for the high assessment - Can't trust our tax collector. Maybe I am better off getting a lawyer, like others have done...
Guest
Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2011, 10:43 am EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
As long as you are drawing more than the amount of state aid from your surplus, you are still using effectively surplus to pay down debt early.
Why do it? Why not use the money to draw down less surplus instead?
Guest
Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2011, 8:04 am EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Winn's current actions on this budget seem more politically motivated and personal than what is in the best interest of the township. If he fights this tax increase, then, yes, he can run in November on the platform that he is a hardcore "no new taxes" guy. That’s a great soundbite for a campaigning politician, but according to the four other members of the TC and the administrator, a huge financial landmine for the township by 2016. Will Winn be out of office by then? Possibly, and it will be a future TC’s problem, and they will have to dramatically raise taxes and cut services to deal with his decision to deplete the surplus. So government as usual, one person makes a decision based on politics, not facts, and four thousand people have to deal with the consequences in the future. I applaud everyone else on the committee who are making apolitical decisions for the benefit of the current and future community. I am disappointed in Winn if he continues on this personal campaign to deplete our surplus instead of making the tough and unpopular decision of a slight tax increase at this time.
But all 5 TC members seem to support drawing down the surplus, not just Win. The Township's proposed budget is spending almost $500K to accelerate pay down of low interest, and drawing $1.8 million from a surplus reserve that could be completely depleted in 3-4 years even before accounting for upcoming projects like the dam and Liberty Way that could instantly use it all up and still require us to seek new debt. If the principle goal of the TC majority is to lessen the impact of future tax increase shock, they would be using all of the current proposed tax increase and the $500K from the State to cover as much of the expenses as possible and not draw so much from the surplus or needlessly pay down low interest debt only to need to soon get new debt at a likely higher rate. It seems to me Win is disagreeing with recklessly wasting the State money on accelerated debt payments at the expense of additional surplus draw down. Debt and surplus reduction make sense when you are having flush years and don’t see major mandatory projects on the immediate horizon, but neither of those things are true now. The opposite is true.
I don’t completely agree with either TC position, Win’s or the others. I don’t agree with Win that we should hold against any tax increase now, knowing we’ll just have to take an even larger hit very soon down the road. Better to do it gradually, especially with the one-year caps in place. In three years we could face a necessary increase that exceeds the TC’s legal ability to increase it and they will either have to convince the Township voters to override the cap and suck up a world of year-over-year pain or they will have to drastically cut services suddenly. But I also strongly disagree with the other TC members that we waste so much surplus drawing down debt right now.
A few clarifications to the above based on conversations with members of the TC.
Win does not want to raise taxes rather he wants to use the surplus (state aid is not guaranteed yet) thus worry for today and hope for tomorrow. Win's view is that our rateable value will increase for the first time in years. The other 4 feel that the experts in town who are doing the revaluation work and budget work are correct and that rateables will not increase.
The other 4- 2 Dems and 2 Reps don't want to draw down the surplus to this extent using the 1.8 million that Win does. Instead they want to raise the taxes 2 cents so that we're approximately drawing down 320k less surplus.
The surplus is 4.9 million, but 20% has to remain untouched to keep the bond rating. All 5 agree on this. So the total is 2.9 million that can be used now and tomorrow for tax help. The concern as I understand it is that if they have to use 1.8 million that the surplus remaining is 1.1 million in a few years it is exhausted and even next year we could have a major tax increase.
In terms of the debt payment I am told this is a variable rate much like a credit card. I understand that was a discussion as a means to prepare for the Dam which is 1 million or more and other immediate long term expenses which will add major debt (even if affordable housing does not go through). The other discussion is if the state aid comes through to set it aside for capital expenses such as paying for the Dam so as not to add debt which would affect our tax rate, bond and cost us more long term.
I can't see the position of raising taxes as political as it is supported evenly by the parties so I don't think you can see a more impartial view.
Whatever you may have been told, the draft budget that was shared with the public includes almost $500K in accelerated debt payment. Even if they say they are using state aid to cover this, that is just semantics when they are drawing $1.8M from the surplus. The net result is more surplus would be used to accelerate debt payment. Doing this does not help prepare us for the dam or other expenses.
The 1.8 excludes the two cents tax increase. You have to debit that. Let's say they make the debt payment and the Dam work would come in at the same interest rate the net is still 500k less money owed. Since the rate is variable we have no idea what it will be when it resets each year.
The TC stated in open session and in the meeting minutes the 500k only is used for this purpose IF state aid comes through. Otherwise the draw down would be 1.8 million plus 500k minus the 2 cent rate increase. The 1.8 million number is simply to keep the town going if there is no tax increase.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2011, 11:49 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Winn's current actions on this budget seem more politically motivated and personal than what is in the best interest of the township. If he fights this tax increase, then, yes, he can run in November on the platform that he is a hardcore "no new taxes" guy. That’s a great soundbite for a campaigning politician, but according to the four other members of the TC and the administrator, a huge financial landmine for the township by 2016. Will Winn be out of office by then? Possibly, and it will be a future TC’s problem, and they will have to dramatically raise taxes and cut services to deal with his decision to deplete the surplus. So government as usual, one person makes a decision based on politics, not facts, and four thousand people have to deal with the consequences in the future. I applaud everyone else on the committee who are making apolitical decisions for the benefit of the current and future community. I am disappointed in Winn if he continues on this personal campaign to deplete our surplus instead of making the tough and unpopular decision of a slight tax increase at this time.
But all 5 TC members seem to support drawing down the surplus, not just Win. The Township's proposed budget is spending almost $500K to accelerate pay down of low interest, and drawing $1.8 million from a surplus reserve that could be completely depleted in 3-4 years even before accounting for upcoming projects like the dam and Liberty Way that could instantly use it all up and still require us to seek new debt. If the principle goal of the TC majority is to lessen the impact of future tax increase shock, they would be using all of the current proposed tax increase and the $500K from the State to cover as much of the expenses as possible and not draw so much from the surplus or needlessly pay down low interest debt only to need to soon get new debt at a likely higher rate. It seems to me Win is disagreeing with recklessly wasting the State money on accelerated debt payments at the expense of additional surplus draw down. Debt and surplus reduction make sense when you are having flush years and don’t see major mandatory projects on the immediate horizon, but neither of those things are true now. The opposite is true.
I don’t completely agree with either TC position, Win’s or the others. I don’t agree with Win that we should hold against any tax increase now, knowing we’ll just have to take an even larger hit very soon down the road. Better to do it gradually, especially with the one-year caps in place. In three years we could face a necessary increase that exceeds the TC’s legal ability to increase it and they will either have to convince the Township voters to override the cap and suck up a world of year-over-year pain or they will have to drastically cut services suddenly. But I also strongly disagree with the other TC members that we waste so much surplus drawing down debt right now.
A few clarifications to the above based on conversations with members of the TC.
Win does not want to raise taxes rather he wants to use the surplus (state aid is not guaranteed yet) thus worry for today and hope for tomorrow. Win's view is that our rateable value will increase for the first time in years. The other 4 feel that the experts in town who are doing the revaluation work and budget work are correct and that rateables will not increase.
The other 4- 2 Dems and 2 Reps don't want to draw down the surplus to this extent using the 1.8 million that Win does. Instead they want to raise the taxes 2 cents so that we're approximately drawing down 320k less surplus.
The surplus is 4.9 million, but 20% has to remain untouched to keep the bond rating. All 5 agree on this. So the total is 2.9 million that can be used now and tomorrow for tax help. The concern as I understand it is that if they have to use 1.8 million that the surplus remaining is 1.1 million in a few years it is exhausted and even next year we could have a major tax increase.
In terms of the debt payment I am told this is a variable rate much like a credit card. I understand that was a discussion as a means to prepare for the Dam which is 1 million or more and other immediate long term expenses which will add major debt (even if affordable housing does not go through). The other discussion is if the state aid comes through to set it aside for capital expenses such as paying for the Dam so as not to add debt which would affect our tax rate, bond and cost us more long term.
I can't see the position of raising taxes as political as it is supported evenly by the parties so I don't think you can see a more impartial view.
Whatever you may have been told, the draft budget that was shared with the public includes almost $500K in accelerated debt payment. Even if they say they are using state aid to cover this, that is just semantics when they are drawing $1.8M from the surplus. The net result is more surplus would be used to accelerate debt payment. Doing this does not help prepare us for the dam or other expenses.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2011, 7:06 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Winn's current actions on this budget seem more politically motivated and personal than what is in the best interest of the township. If he fights this tax increase, then, yes, he can run in November on the platform that he is a hardcore "no new taxes" guy. That’s a great soundbite for a campaigning politician, but according to the four other members of the TC and the administrator, a huge financial landmine for the township by 2016. Will Winn be out of office by then? Possibly, and it will be a future TC’s problem, and they will have to dramatically raise taxes and cut services to deal with his decision to deplete the surplus. So government as usual, one person makes a decision based on politics, not facts, and four thousand people have to deal with the consequences in the future. I applaud everyone else on the committee who are making apolitical decisions for the benefit of the current and future community. I am disappointed in Winn if he continues on this personal campaign to deplete our surplus instead of making the tough and unpopular decision of a slight tax increase at this time.
But all 5 TC members seem to support drawing down the surplus, not just Win. The Township's proposed budget is spending almost $500K to accelerate pay down of low interest, and drawing $1.8 million from a surplus reserve that could be completely depleted in 3-4 years even before accounting for upcoming projects like the dam and Liberty Way that could instantly use it all up and still require us to seek new debt. If the principle goal of the TC majority is to lessen the impact of future tax increase shock, they would be using all of the current proposed tax increase and the $500K from the State to cover as much of the expenses as possible and not draw so much from the surplus or needlessly pay down low interest debt only to need to soon get new debt at a likely higher rate. It seems to me Win is disagreeing with recklessly wasting the State money on accelerated debt payments at the expense of additional surplus draw down. Debt and surplus reduction make sense when you are having flush years and don’t see major mandatory projects on the immediate horizon, but neither of those things are true now. The opposite is true.
I don’t completely agree with either TC position, Win’s or the others. I don’t agree with Win that we should hold against any tax increase now, knowing we’ll just have to take an even larger hit very soon down the road. Better to do it gradually, especially with the one-year caps in place. In three years we could face a necessary increase that exceeds the TC’s legal ability to increase it and they will either have to convince the Township voters to override the cap and suck up a world of year-over-year pain or they will have to drastically cut services suddenly. But I also strongly disagree with the other TC members that we waste so much surplus drawing down debt right now.
A few clarifications to the above based on conversations with members of the TC.
Win does not want to raise taxes rather he wants to use the surplus (state aid is not guaranteed yet) thus worry for today and hope for tomorrow. Win's view is that our rateable value will increase for the first time in years. The other 4 feel that the experts in town who are doing the revaluation work and budget work are correct and that rateables will not increase.
The other 4- 2 Dems and 2 Reps don't want to draw down the surplus to this extent using the 1.8 million that Win does. Instead they want to raise the taxes 2 cents so that we're approximately drawing down 320k less surplus.
The surplus is 4.9 million, but 20% has to remain untouched to keep the bond rating. All 5 agree on this. So the total is 2.9 million that can be used now and tomorrow for tax help. The concern as I understand it is that if they have to use 1.8 million that the surplus remaining is 1.1 million in a few years it is exhausted and even next year we could have a major tax increase.
In terms of the debt payment I am told this is a variable rate much like a credit card. I understand that was a discussion as a means to prepare for the Dam which is 1 million or more and other immediate long term expenses which will add major debt (even if affordable housing does not go through). The other discussion is if the state aid comes through to set it aside for capital expenses such as paying for the Dam so as not to add debt which would affect our tax rate, bond and cost us more long term.
I can't see the position of raising taxes as political as it is supported evenly by the parties so I don't think you can see a more impartial view.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2011, 9:19 am EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
Winn's current actions on this budget seem more politically motivated and personal than what is in the best interest of the township. If he fights this tax increase, then, yes, he can run in November on the platform that he is a hardcore "no new taxes" guy. That’s a great soundbite for a campaigning politician, but according to the four other members of the TC and the administrator, a huge financial landmine for the township by 2016. Will Winn be out of office by then? Possibly, and it will be a future TC’s problem, and they will have to dramatically raise taxes and cut services to deal with his decision to deplete the surplus. So government as usual, one person makes a decision based on politics, not facts, and four thousand people have to deal with the consequences in the future. I applaud everyone else on the committee who are making apolitical decisions for the benefit of the current and future community. I am disappointed in Winn if he continues on this personal campaign to deplete our surplus instead of making the tough and unpopular decision of a slight tax increase at this time.
But all 5 TC members seem to support drawing down the surplus, not just Win. The Township's proposed budget is spending almost $500K to accelerate pay down of low interest, and drawing $1.8 million from a surplus reserve that could be completely depleted in 3-4 years even before accounting for upcoming projects like the dam and Liberty Way that could instantly use it all up and still require us to seek new debt. If the principle goal of the TC majority is to lessen the impact of future tax increase shock, they would be using all of the current proposed tax increase and the $500K from the State to cover as much of the expenses as possible and not draw so much from the surplus or needlessly pay down low interest debt only to need to soon get new debt at a likely higher rate. It seems to me Win is disagreeing with recklessly wasting the State money on accelerated debt payments at the expense of additional surplus draw down. Debt and surplus reduction make sense when you are having flush years and don’t see major mandatory projects on the immediate horizon, but neither of those things are true now. The opposite is true.
I don’t completely agree with either TC position, Win’s or the others. I don’t agree with Win that we should hold against any tax increase now, knowing we’ll just have to take an even larger hit very soon down the road. Better to do it gradually, especially with the one-year caps in place. In three years we could face a necessary increase that exceeds the TC’s legal ability to increase it and they will either have to convince the Township voters to override the cap and suck up a world of year-over-year pain or they will have to drastically cut services suddenly. But I also strongly disagree with the other TC members that we waste so much surplus drawing down debt right now.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2011, 9:00 am EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
Really? Win feels we shouldn't raise taxes because our surplus is TOO HIGH and it's the right thing to do, not because he is looking to be the "no new taxes" guy in November. And by the way, some people think no new taxes is a good thing. He IS working with the FACTS. The other TC members are working with unknowns in trying to save the surplus. We don't KNOW about the bridge, we don't KNOW about the dam, we don't KNOW what affordable housing will be. These are all UNKNOWNS that COULD be huge financial liabilities. The FACT that we do KNOW is that our surplus is around 45%, when the recommended amount is 8%. Win thinks it should be 20%, which is still higher than most. To accuse him of "playing politics" is unfair, and he does have the township's best interests at heart. People still don't understand that government at all levels spends too much money and it needs to stop. Taxes are too high at all levels.
I don't think Win is playing politics. However, people on this board have accused members of the TC of playing politics on everything. It is the nature of this board.
The tough problem they are dealing with is how to cut the budget without blowing up the budget two or three years down the line. Note: they cut the budget. They did not slow down the growth of government, or freeze the size of the government, they CUT the budget. Show me someone at the state or federal level that have done this. The problem is the tax base has collapsed.
The difficult job they are trying to do is to slowly pay down the surplus and hoping the tax base comes back before it is depleted. If it is cut too quickly, we could find ourselves cutting essential services. The other problem is the rebound effect. If they cut too much they find there are items they have to put back into the budget in the future. This used to be the general method of cutting. One could cut like a maniac in the hopes of bringing back services when the economy rebounded. With a two percent cap, that is no longer possible. Once something is cut it is gone for good.
Interesting these state mandated caps. While they slow the growth of government, they also slow the decrease of government.
On this issue, I think all the members of the TC are doing what they think is best and not playing politics. Win might be grandstanding because he knew his proposal would not pass, but who really knows?
They cut the budget. That is the bottom line.
Guest
Posted: Wed, Mar 9 2011, 8:05 am EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Really? Win feels we shouldn't raise taxes because our surplus is TOO HIGH and it's the right thing to do, not because he is looking to be the "no new taxes" guy in November. And by the way, some people think no new taxes is a good thing. He IS working with the FACTS. The other TC members are working with unknowns in trying to save the surplus. We don't KNOW about the bridge, we don't KNOW about the dam, we don't KNOW what affordable housing will be. These are all UNKNOWNS that COULD be huge financial liabilities. The FACT that we do KNOW is that our surplus is around 45%, when the recommended amount is 8%. Win thinks it should be 20%, which is still higher than most. To accuse him of "playing politics" is unfair, and he does have the township's best interests at heart. People still don't understand that government at all levels spends too much money and it needs to stop. Taxes are too high at all levels.
Guest
Posted: Tue, Mar 8 2011, 11:08 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Winn's current actions on this budget seem more politically motivated and personal than what is in the best interest of the township. If he fights this tax increase, then, yes, he can run in November on the platform that he is a hardcore "no new taxes" guy. That’s a great soundbite for a campaigning politician, but according to the four other members of the TC and the administrator, a huge financial landmine for the township by 2016. Will Winn be out of office by then? Possibly, and it will be a future TC’s problem, and they will have to dramatically raise taxes and cut services to deal with his decision to deplete the surplus. So government as usual, one person makes a decision based on politics, not facts, and four thousand people have to deal with the consequences in the future. I applaud everyone else on the committee who are making apolitical decisions for the benefit of the current and future community. I am disappointed in Winn if he continues on this personal campaign to deplete our surplus instead of making the tough and unpopular decision of a slight tax increase at this time.
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Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2011, 6:56 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
Guest wrote:
There is no state aid at this point. The Governor said he is putting forth a proposal to maintain state aid at last year's level. However, it has not been sent over yet. So the TC is saying we can't count on it now since we do not have it.
If it comes in then they'll use it to reduce the debt the town has because of the future debt that is anticipated. So rather than take on more debt they'll reduce the debt load and thus some of our expenses for the long term.
That doesn't make any sense, at least as you explained it. If the money doesn't come, it won't go to the surplus or the debt. That makes sense. But if it does come, using less of the surplus is not "taking on more debt." Actually the opposite will likely be true.
Paying down the debt using surplus, which is what they really are doing, still means you will need new debt for the new projects. But you will have paid down low interest rate debt early by using the surplus up sooner, and have to buy new debt in a market where interest rates have started rising fast and municipal debt is almost junk status, rather than having that much more surplus to cover some of your future expenses and being able to take on a little less new debt. I would rather pay down our existing low interest debt right on schedule and and have as much surplus as possible to offset the cost of probably higher rate new debt when those projects come.
Of all the things to use a surplus for in a bad economy with massive projects on the horizon, accelerated debt service isn't one of them. That's only done by municipalities that are flush and recognize they have too much surplus.
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Posted: Fri, Mar 4 2011, 6:31 pm EST
Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: $10.8M budget would include 2-cent tax rate hike
There is no state aid at this point. The Governor said he is putting forth a proposal to maintain state aid at last year's level. However, it has not been sent over yet. So the TC is saying we can't count on it now since we do not have it.
If it comes in then they'll use it to reduce the debt the town has because of the future debt that is anticipated. So rather than take on more debt they'll reduce the debt load and thus some of our expenses for the long term.