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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>publius-27p1</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Aug 27 2012, 4:21 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A few hundred bucks worth of Weed-be-Gone would do the trick!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Susan Goetz</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 26 2012, 1:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thanks Sean for the kind words. We look forward to your getting involved and welcome any of your thoughts about how best to manage our treasured lake.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-82s9</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 26 2012, 7:45 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thank you for that information. The state of the lake is upsetting to all of us who love it and this town. The raking now seems futile, especially if one could expect that the leaking would progress to a greater flow which would require draining. While I've come to expect a lot from our TC and township in general, who do an outstanding job across the board, expecting anyone to predict the future isn't fair. I sincerely appreciate the time and energy that goes into these efforts, apologize for getting carried away here and wasting more of your time than is necessary and look foward to getting more involved myself to see how I can help. Sincerely, Sean</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-7758</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 26 2012, 7:14 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">TC minutes are just that minutes like any other meeting. <br /> <br />Having attended the Dam presentations I can say. <br /> <br />1) a dye test showed there was water passing through the wall. It was not considered to be a greater flow than what was coming in. <br /> <br />2) the TC all stated dredging is needed. However, even the engineer said this is likely a multi-million dollar project. I like the lake, but 2 mill to dredge on top of the 1-2 for the Dam is a lot. <br /> <br />3) I don't think the raking accomplished what I had expected. However, the idea of removing this invasive species made sense. First, the milfoil will choke off the oxygen for the fish. Second as it does and decays it creates more sediment. Think the pile of lawn clippings after you mow the lawn. So to minimize the damage until then taking and an herbicide makes sense. <br /> <br />In terms of your painter arguement. It only holds water if you knew there was mold. You can't blame someone for doing something and then having a non-related event occur. I got my car all detailed once and then got hit. Driving a car there is a risk of an accident, but I still thought detailing was the best option. Had I known I'd be in an accident I would not have detailed. Had the major leakage started before the raking I doubt they would have done it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-rq33</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 7:38 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ok thanks. I have read the report in that case. It is inadequate for a project of this magnitude. We need a comprehensive plan.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Report-4468</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 5:03 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The report Mr. Cook refers to is the TC members report. If you look at the agenda it says reports from members of committee. If you read the minutes you'll see this. It is easy to mistake. <br /> <br />Each member gives a report (updates) for the area they manage.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-26o4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 4:39 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">OK HP94- have it your way. I will stoop to your level for 1 bit of name calling- you are a hypocrite. I use an anonymous board to post what I think others will want to hear, not to be mean. You hide behind it to be nasty and offensive, then state that because it's anonymous, we cannot discuss public issues. You, my friend are a hypocrite. See you at the next meeting. Sean</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-26o4</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 4:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Bye the way, this is Sean Deverin. My number is (908) 202-4712, though I prefer to discuss matters of public concern in public for all to read (not to hide in anonymuity as the excuse you hide behind), you can call me also. Who are you?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-26o4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 4:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Aw, you're so cute! The protector. My tone hasen't changed at all, but you are a bit nicer this time- no personal attacks or name calling. Let me guess, there is no report! I was worried about that. OK, guess I have to come to the meeting to get this basic request filled. Just a caution, I may not come alone- this one may require some significant public support from those of us who don't live on Brainerd, Evans or Scott and for whom $10K for 2 weeks of a slightly cleaner lake with no plan that addresses the underlying needs is a waste of money. Unfortunately, I don't get paid to attend the meeting -you guys do, but see you there anyway.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ok-8p94</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 3:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-rq33 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Thank you Susan. I do think this dialogue has been open and courteous. The need to dredge the lake is news to me and i actually mistook the mention of it with the hydroraking to be an alternative, but now realize this isnt the case. I am still unclear about how short term investments tie into any long term plan (and unsure if there is a long term pman) and therefore respectfully request that the TC devise a master lake plan so that when we seek input from experts for shorter term projects we all understand how this ties into the larger goal of potentially massive future projects. I would not be qualified to make such a presentation, but ask that this scope is taken so that the community fully understands the short and long term needs of this vital asset. I also believe that such a vision and full- factorial approach will allow the TC to make the best possible short term decisions and long term plans. Thank you again</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I appreciate your change in tone. As Susan stated this is not the appropriate forum to have this ongoing discussion. If you would like to have a private discussion with her you have her information. If you would like a public discussion with her the appropriate forum is a township committee meeting.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-rq33</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 3:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Susan, <br />Where can I find a copy of the report mentioned above and at the June 25th TC meeting? Also, after re-reading Dave's letter where he describes leakage (no mention of "major") and water loss in places other than the spillway, it does still disconnect from knowledge of seepage. Furthermore, we all know that water erodes earth, so I am still confused as to how this progression is a surprise if we knew of seepage. In any event, it does seem the hydro raking was a waste (if nothing else than in hindsight, I hope we can all agree on). A 2m dredge amortized over 50 years is about 50k a year, thus the importance of a long term master plan before we spend 10k a clip on aesthetics, maintenance, whatever you want to call it. I will call you and attend the next meeting. Please post the link to the report mentioned in the meantime. Thanks!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-rq33</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 2:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thank you Susan. I do think this dialogue has been open and courteous. The need to dredge the lake is news to me and i actually mistook the mention of it with the hydroraking to be an alternative, but now realize this isnt the case. I am still unclear about how short term investments tie into any long term plan (and unsure if there is a long term pman) and therefore respectfully request that the TC devise a master lake plan so that when we seek input from experts for shorter term projects we all understand how this ties into the larger goal of potentially massive future projects. I would not be qualified to make such a presentation, but ask that this scope is taken so that the community fully understands the short and long term needs of this vital asset. I also believe that such a vision and full- factorial approach will allow the TC to make the best possible short term decisions and long term plans. Thank you again</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Susan Goetz</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 1:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I will again use this forum to answer these questions but I ask if you are unclear of my answer or have additional questions, please do me the courtesy of contacting me, identifying yourself and discussing your concerns. My reluctance to use this forum as a means to get information out to our residents is based on the often nasty and inflammatory comments some people post and the anonymity of the process. I am willing to discuss anything related to the TC but prefer to do so in an open and courteous manner. <br /> <br />Now, as far as your comment that the reference to seepage and a major leak cant both be correct is in fact untrue and not factual. This is a very old structure and seepage has been occurring at a slow but steady pace. It is one of the reasons we have been mandated to repair the structure - to control this seepage. The major leak that occurred last week was just that - a structural failure of a portion of the outfall that occurred last week resulting in a rapid decline in the water level. If you are uncertain of that, please visit the lake and see for yourself. Look at the southeastern side of the spillway and you will see the problem. <br />As far as a long term plan for lake management, as I mentioned previously, technically, dredging the lake is necessary for long term control. Assuming there is agreement that financing a $2M + dredging project is acceptable to our community, (and I have yet to hear that from many of our residents), implementation if we were to start today is years away. Our efforts this year were not "knee jerk reactions to some resident's concerns" but rather a decision made after careful consultation with scientists to implement a two prong attack on the vegetation with the intent to provide some control of the invasive and allow for enjoyment of this treasured resource. I welcome presentation of any alternative approaches and hope that you and others who are interested in our lake take the time to discuss your ideas with me. Thank you - Susan</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-rq33</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 11:40 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">So was the "leak discovered" last week as in David Cook's letter or was the "seepage ongoing" as is written here? While both cannot be true, i am not accusing anyone of lying nor do i care about any political designations. I simply want accountability and to hear a plan that makes sense and includes ALL related factors. Seems to me like another example of (like painting parking spots 2 weeks before the road is ripped up) right hand/left hand issues wasting money. Can we at least fess up to a bit of waste here, move on from it and create a sound, long term plan (including preparing for dredging) for the lake and avoid knee jerk reaction to some resident's concern about temporary aesethics? We need to look at and budget for these things collectively as they are not separate items.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ok troll-8p94</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 10:49 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-rq33 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Right, got that. That's what the painters told the guy whose moldy wall they painted. Do ya think maybe we should've looked a bit closer at a dam that is being completely replaced in a few months before buying 3 weeks of less vegetation for 10k?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I eagerly await your quick reply. Susan is obviously lying it is all a liberal plot to pay off weed companies. In fact the dam is fine. There is no leak, no danger of collapse it is all just an optical allusion. Either you are a complete loon, or a troll that just likes to stir things up on the board in either case I am through feeding you.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Susan Goetz</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 25 2012, 10:44 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Letter to Cranbury Residents Concerning Brainerd Lake</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The dam repair has been the focus of an engineering investigation for several years since the State Dam Safety group gave it a failing grade and mandated correction. As the dam is a component of Main Street, which is technically a County road, costs for the repair will be jointly shared by the County and by us. This has already been reviewed thoroughly by our Township Engineer. Several discussions at TC meetings were held including a thorough presentation by the engineering firm hired by the County for the investigation design and repair of the structure. Together, the County and the Township have agreed on a strategy that will bring the dam into standard, provide some additional flood control and also enhance the roadway and lake front to provide a safer and more esthetic area. <br /> <br />The project requires multiple state permits which are in the process of being reviewed at this time. The schedule had called for the lake to be lowered later this fall prior to the start of the hibernation cycle for the wildlife in the lake. The lake would have been drained for an extended period of time with anticipation that it could be refilled next spring/early summer. (If anyone would like more details about this project, please contact me and I will see that you get it.) <br /> <br />As far as the vegetation is concerned, the most invasive weeds we have are annuals, and like other annuals, die at the end of the season, depositing additional debris and organic matter on the lake bottom. This deposition would continue to contribute to the filling of the lake and would facilitate additional growth next season. Due to the massive amount of weeds we have in the lake, it was decided to take this first phase of the approach by removing as much of the organic matter that we could afford from the lake ecosystem. We always knew the weeds would return next year, and intend to attack the growth in its early stages with herbicides. As I said previously, the lake requires routine maintenance. <br /> <br />To answer the other point , while the seepage was ongoing, none of the investigation performed by the engineers indicated the probability of imminent failure like we experienced this week. This emergency lowering will in fact kill off this years weeds early. Nevertheless, while we may get a bit of an impact on the spring/summer growth next year if we have an extremely cold winter, there is no way we can eliminate these noxious weeds without an aggressive approach. As I said previously, the preferred strategy for longer term effectiveness is dredging. Until such time as we can implement that program, we will do what we can to maintain the health and the esthetic and recreational qualities of our lake. Please contact me if I haven’t answered your questions or if you would like more information.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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