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[quote="Guest 2"][quote="Guest"]This has to be illegal - no public notice? No notice to Mr. Diamond that his land is being taken? What is going on here?[/quote] I'm sure Mr. Diamond's land has an easement/right of way in the front that gives the county access for a road. They don't have to notify him-- he technically already gave them permission to use that land when he purchased the property and agreed to the easement/right of way. Think of it like when you go to work one day and the trees in front of your house look gorgeous and you come home and the utility company has hacked them to pieces to clear them from their power lines. The power company has a right of way (not sure of the technical term) to maintain it's power lines in front of my house and yeah I come home and I'm pissed and upset and miss my beautiful trees, but the fact of the matter is the power company did not have to notify me or ask me or anything. I gave them the right to access my property and "maintain their lines" when I bought my property. Sucks when it happens, and I feel for Mr. Diamond, but it is not illegal. As for the public notice - remember these plans were discussed and approved YEARS ago, probably even before Mr. Diamond bought the house (I don't think they've lived there that long). And yes, sometimes public notices are made in obscure places (little columns in newspapers) and that should maybe be changed. But the time to ask the question was when you see the easement/right of way in front of the property when you buy and THEN you should ask questions .[/quote]
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Posted: Sun, Jun 20 2010, 8:15 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
You're entitled to be wrong too.
BTW, it's not even true that it's 50 all the way until Sloan. It slows down in a few places where it passes more residential areas, all the way to 35 MPH for that matter.
Guest
Posted: Sun, Jun 20 2010, 4:27 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Guest wrote:
Reasonable. wrote:
How is it that people think that 50 mph zone on OTR is the odd ball speed limit????? OTR is 50 MPH from 571 alllllllllllll the wayyyyyyyyy to Sloan ave. Yet you people keep saying it's 40 everywhere except the 50 zone. What is wrong with you people??? I just don't understand how you can live with these fascinations you have. They make medication for that. The only place OTR is not 50 is from 571 to Ancil. What's that........ a half of mile? Sorry to disappoint everyone but OTR keeps going!!!! You should drive it one day. It's really nice scenery!!!! As for the 35mph speed limit...... I'm not doing it and everyone else I talk to isn't either. Have you ever tried to drive it at 35?? Really, Have you??? It's ridiculous. Why don't we just widen it to 6 lanes and lower the speed limit to 15. Hey while were at it, lets rip up the pavement and ban all Automobiles! I think a 35 would be appropriate for a horse and buggy!!!! YYYYEEEEAAAAYYYYYYYY Cranbury!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, you need to get back on your meds ASAP.
In any event, you're wrong about the facts. OTR is 40 everywhere from 571 until it ends except this residential section between One Mile Road (speed doesn’t change at Ancil Davison) and Main Street. It is 40 MPH before this section and it is 40 MPH after this section. What it is a couple miles away in a different county doesn't seem particularly relevant but everyone’s entitled to an opinion. No one here has supported adding lanes or reducing it to 35 MPH. People would like to see it preserve the consistent speed of 40 MPH that exists before and after this stretch. And logically it make little sense to support a slower speed along the business park between 571 and One Mile Road than along the residential and park stretch where the speed is currently increased to 50 MPH.
Dude sorry but the person who wrote this is right and sorry but you are wrong.
Guest
Posted: Tue, May 4 2010, 9:00 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
reasonable2 wrote:
So OTR being 50 MPH in West Windsor and Hamilton but it doesn't matter because it is in another county but because it is 40MPH in East Windsor that is pertinent?
Last time I checked East Windsor was in Mercer County. OTR between One Mile and South Main has always been and should remain 50MPH. I love the people who buy a home on a 50MPH road and then want to change the speed limit. These are the same type of people who buy a house across the street from a firehouse and then complain that the trucks are too loud.
Are you really that dense that you can't see the difference between the relevance of the sections in East Windsor and Cranbury which are physically adjacent to the section in question being more meaningful than lengths of the road completely detached from the section?
If you want to ignore the speed of road on either side of the 50MPH section and say, well it's 50 MPH somewhere else so why not this little stretch surrounded by 40 MPH sections too, then logic isn't in your vocabulary and there's no point in discussing it.
As for the idea that some of the residents (but not all) bought after the road was 50 MPH, so? Speed limits change over time to reflect the character and use of the road. For over two decades this section has been predominately residential. It’s simply not the same area it was when it was a country farmland road. And now the reality of the road is people have to drive 40 MPH through a business park and 40 MPH through the adjacent residential area to the 130 anyway. So what’s the point of encouraging them to speed up through the residential and park area just to slow down again? Especially when some of the area is extremely narrow with no side to the road? Clinging to the idea of what the road was like when Ford was in office is just silly.
reasonable2
Posted: Tue, May 4 2010, 7:28 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
So OTR being 50 MPH in West Windsor and Hamilton but it doesn't matter because it is in another county but because it is 40MPH in East Windsor that is pertinent?
Last time I checked East Windsor was in Mercer County. OTR between One Mile and South Main has always been and should remain 50MPH. I love the people who buy a home on a 50MPH road and then want to change the speed limit. These are the same type of people who buy a house across the street from a firehouse and then complain that the trucks are too loud.
Guest
Posted: Tue, May 4 2010, 6:23 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Reasonable. wrote:
How is it that people think that 50 mph zone on OTR is the odd ball speed limit????? OTR is 50 MPH from 571 alllllllllllll the wayyyyyyyyy to Sloan ave. Yet you people keep saying it's 40 everywhere except the 50 zone. What is wrong with you people??? I just don't understand how you can live with these fascinations you have. They make medication for that. The only place OTR is not 50 is from 571 to Ancil. What's that........ a half of mile? Sorry to disappoint everyone but OTR keeps going!!!! You should drive it one day. It's really nice scenery!!!! As for the 35mph speed limit...... I'm not doing it and everyone else I talk to isn't either. Have you ever tried to drive it at 35?? Really, Have you??? It's ridiculous. Why don't we just widen it to 6 lanes and lower the speed limit to 15. Hey while were at it, lets rip up the pavement and ban all Automobiles! I think a 35 would be appropriate for a horse and buggy!!!! YYYYEEEEAAAAYYYYYYYY Cranbury!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, you need to get back on your meds ASAP.
In any event, you're wrong about the facts. OTR is 40 everywhere from 571 until it ends except this residential section between One Mile Road (speed doesn’t change at Ancil Davison) and Main Street. It is 40 MPH before this section and it is 40 MPH after this section. What it is a couple miles away in a different county doesn't seem particularly relevant but everyone’s entitled to an opinion. No one here has supported adding lanes or reducing it to 35 MPH. People would like to see it preserve the consistent speed of 40 MPH that exists before and after this stretch. And logically it make little sense to support a slower speed along the business park between 571 and One Mile Road than along the residential and park stretch where the speed is currently increased to 50 MPH.
Reasonable.
Posted: Tue, May 4 2010, 6:08 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
How is it that people think that 50 mph zone on OTR is the odd ball speed limit????? OTR is 50 MPH from 571 alllllllllllll the wayyyyyyyyy to Sloan ave. Yet you people keep saying it's 40 everywhere except the 50 zone. What is wrong with you people??? I just don't understand how you can live with these fascinations you have. They make medication for that. The only place OTR is not 50 is from 571 to Ancil. What's that........ a half of mile? Sorry to disappoint everyone but OTR keeps going!!!! You should drive it one day. It's really nice scenery!!!! As for the 35mph speed limit...... I'm not doing it and everyone else I talk to isn't either. Have you ever tried to drive it at 35?? Really, Have you??? It's ridiculous. Why don't we just widen it to 6 lanes and lower the speed limit to 15. Hey while were at it, lets rip up the pavement and ban all Automobiles! I think a 35 would be appropriate for a horse and buggy!!!! YYYYEEEEAAAAYYYYYYYY Cranbury!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Guest
Posted: Fri, Apr 23 2010, 1:31 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
This subject was on the agenda for our township committee a few weeks ago. What did they ask the county to do? Maybe they asked for this 35mph speed?
Guest
Posted: Fri, Apr 23 2010, 1:21 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Except that guidance has been around for a while and it doesn't seem to be a standard for many of the roads in this state, including many that have only been created since then. Ancil Davison and parts of Cranbury Neck and Plainsboro and Dey, etc. are all 50 MPH. Other roads are 45. Old Trenton just beyond this affected stretch is already 40 MPH despite being a residential area and being a relatively new road. Those standards are like rules in the Engllish language -- there are more exceptions than the rule.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Apr 23 2010, 12:21 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
This may be the reason:
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc//Vehicle/moving_to_nj/traffic01.htm
35 mph on suburban business and residential areas
Guest
Posted: Fri, Apr 23 2010, 12:17 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
RobDiamond wrote:
Guest wrote:
Rob when you have time please give us an update as to how the meeting went.
I went up to address the board during the public comment section of
the meeting. I spent a couple of minutes going over the issues, and
there seemed that the Freeholders were familiar with the project and
the issues. When I started asking questions, John Reiser, the County
Engineer sort of cut me off and said that some things about the
project were changing.
Most importantly, he said that the speed limit is being reduced to
35MPH. However, the lanes are still being widened.
This seems like good news, but I am concerned that this speed may
result in another speed study that will raise the speed limit back to
50 MPH or higher. I'm also concerned about the large difference
between the posted speed (35) and the road design speed (60-65).
From what I've read, this means that the road must be heavily
patrolled by police to enforce the speed limit, and will lead to
resentment and annoyance on driver's part.
40MPH seems to be more reasonable, and it "feels right" while driving at that speed on Old Trenton Rd.
Who asked for 35 mph? Who asked the county? Why is the county considering 35?
Guest
Posted: Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:22 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Because they know everyone has been asking for 40 MPH for years and they don't want to lose face or perceived power by doing what was asked. By picking a different speed they get to still assert their arbitrary power and they probably realize it will lead to all kinds of problems so this way they will be able to say "I told you so" when the speed has to be changed again. Losers.
It reminds me of the way the highway repair workers in my previous state would always wait until just before the major car travel holidays to intentionally setup for a major construction project they didn't have any intent of starting until after the holiday, so that the lanes would be reduced despite no work and create multiple hour-long bottlenecks on the major freeways for the holiday. They loved the power to screw people over. It was well understood they did this on purpose and would laugh about it over beers, etc...
Guest
Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 11:04 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
This is going to be a fiasco. 35 mph is too slow for that road. 40mph is the correct speed as pointed out by all residents who asked for a change. Plus, what will happen someday is a traffic study and the county will raise it to 50 again due to the design speed.
Further, this will push traffic over to Cranbury Neck Rd or other roads depending on the destination, thus increasing traffic on the other roads and reducing the balance today.
Why does the county have to complicate matters? Can't they look at the past township ordinances and say the town has asked for 40, let's do 40? It seems like this is just the county being difficult so residents will complain and then they can say is nothing good enough for you?
BTW, the widening is money spent on jobs so no way would the county not spend the one million plus. This is a handout for a project regardless of needed or not.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 10:38 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Leave it to public works engineers to over complicate everything -- they seem to have a natural aversion to anything simple or logical. In this case logic says that if the road is 40 MPH before this strech and 40 MPH after this stretch (traveling from either direction) that the speed that will lead to the least confusion or people violating it is 40 MPH. But, no, that makes way too much sense for them.
RobDiamond
Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 10:06 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Guest wrote:
Rob when you have time please give us an update as to how the meeting went.
I went up to address the board during the public comment section of
the meeting. I spent a couple of minutes going over the issues, and
there seemed that the Freeholders were familiar with the project and
the issues. When I started asking questions, John Reiser, the County
Engineer sort of cut me off and said that some things about the
project were changing.
Most importantly, he said that the speed limit is being reduced to
35MPH. However, the lanes are still being widened.
This seems like good news, but I am concerned that this speed may
result in another speed study that will raise the speed limit back to
50 MPH or higher. I'm also concerned about the large difference
between the posted speed (35) and the road design speed (60-65).
From what I've read, this means that the road must be heavily
patrolled by police to enforce the speed limit, and will lead to
resentment and annoyance on driver's part.
40MPH seems to be more reasonable, and it "feels right" while driving at that speed on Old Trenton Rd.
Guest
Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 8:59 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
RobDiamond wrote:
Here's a bit of an update:
Several Cranbury residents, as well as Freeholder Jim Polos have been trying to get in touch with the responsible Freeholder, Carol Barrett about the redesign of the road as well as the lack of notification. She has not returned calls or emails, even to Mr. Polos.
Tonight (April 22nd), there is a Freeholder's meeting that is open to the public. It starts at 7PM at the County Admin Building at 75 Bayard St. in New Brunswick. Ms. Barrett should be there. There will be an opportunity for the public to address the Freeholder's board.
Please consider attending this meeting.
Rob when you have time please give us an update as to how the meeting went.
RobDiamond
Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 11:33 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12
Here's a bit of an update:
Several Cranbury residents, as well as Freeholder Jim Polos have been trying to get in touch with the responsible Freeholder, Carol Barrett about the redesign of the road as well as the lack of notification. She has not returned calls or emails, even to Mr. Polos.
Tonight (April 22nd), there is a Freeholder's meeting that is open to the public. It starts at 7PM at the County Admin Building at 75 Bayard St. in New Brunswick. Ms. Barrett should be there. There will be an opportunity for the public to address the Freeholder's board.
Please consider attending this meeting.