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[quote="anon-091r"]I use Central Jersey Waste in town for $75/quarter for a huge can pickup 1/week. We never fill the can (even with our family of four) because we recycle more than we throw away. Anyway, this WM deal seems even better and the competition serves as an example of the value of having various options in town for collection. I also understand the value (less trucks in town) of having one vendor contracted with the town, but the previous post's worry about price escalation is exactly why that effort and the subsequent contract needs to be negotiated smartly and thoroughly. In the meantime, we residents can reap these benefits of competition to nullify the risk of such escalation.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-011q</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 9:45 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-011q wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I just called Midco ((732) 545-8988). They matched the 15.88/month offer (the lady answered the phone knew about this deal).</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Just a note: The Midco lady called me back and asked me to pay 1-year fees in advance (at 15.88/month). I did not mind, so I paid using a credit card.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6n52</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 9:07 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">They are not giving you two free months without getting something back in return. The letter states " 2 months FREE service with a monthly rate as low as $15.88 for 2 years * " <br />The * part explains that it's new customers only (which is fine) but it also states that "rate not guaranteed for 24 months and fees may apply). <br />So my guess is once you sign you cannot get out of the contract without some kind of penalty, such as cell phone contracts. It doesn't state how much the increases will be, only that you are bound for 2 years with whatever increase they decide it to be. <br />Sounds good on the outside but I'd be wary.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-011q</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 11:29 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I just called Midco ((732) 545-8988). They matched the 15.88/month offer (the lady answered the phone knew about this deal).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0n08</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:28 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-011q wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Here's where the deal smells to me. There's a little * that says the rate is not guaranteed for 24 months, even though you only get the deal if you sign a 2-year contract. I've never heard of such a thing, making a one-sided contractual commitment where they have the unilateral right to change the terms to some undefined fee part-way through. So as written you get 2 months free then an initial rate that could last as little as a month, then they could increase the rate 400%. I'm sure verbally they may promise not to do that but that's not contractually binding. I would not sign any deal where the rate or at least timing and percentage cap of increase was spelled out in writing.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />While your scenario is possible, Waste Management (a S&P 500 company and bigger than Midco's parent Republic Services) as a company won't be in business long if they acquire their new customers using this bait-and-switch trick.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Then why set it up that way in the first place? A vast majority of companies that require guaranteed contracts fix the rates during that contractual period, or at the very least specify caps on the increases. They don't even guarantee the length of time the rate will hold. Nor do they guarantee that you will get the prevailing rate, which means they are free to charge customers on this deal more than they are charging people not under contract. You lose all negotiating leverage because you're under contract. It's crazy. What they actually do, who knows. But on the face of it, they are asking you to basically blindly trust them.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-091r</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 9:25 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I use Central Jersey Waste in town for $75/quarter for a huge can pickup 1/week. We never fill the can (even with our family of four) because we recycle more than we throw away. <br /> <br />Anyway, this WM deal seems even better and the competition serves as an example of the value of having various options in town for collection. I also understand the value (less trucks in town) of having one vendor contracted with the town, but the previous post's worry about price escalation is exactly why that effort and the subsequent contract needs to be negotiated smartly and thoroughly. In the meantime, we residents can reap these benefits of competition to nullify the risk of such escalation.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-011q</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 8:55 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Here's where the deal smells to me. There's a little * that says the rate is not guaranteed for 24 months, even though you only get the deal if you sign a 2-year contract. I've never heard of such a thing, making a one-sided contractual commitment where they have the unilateral right to change the terms to some undefined fee part-way through. So as written you get 2 months free then an initial rate that could last as little as a month, then they could increase the rate 400%. I'm sure verbally they may promise not to do that but that's not contractually binding. I would not sign any deal where the rate or at least timing and percentage cap of increase was spelled out in writing.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />While your scenario is possible, Waste Management (a S&P 500 company and bigger than Midco's parent Republic Services) as a company won't be in business long if they acquire their new customers using this bait-and-switch trick.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-97on</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 7:45 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Here's where the deal smells to me. There's a little * that says the rate is not guaranteed for 24 months, even though you only get the deal if you sign a 2-year contract. I've never heard of such a thing, making a one-sided contractual commitment where they have the unilateral right to change the terms to some undefined fee part-way through. So as written you get 2 months free then an initial rate that could last as little as a month, then they could increase the rate 400%. I'm sure verbally they may promise not to do that but that's not contractually binding. I would not sign any deal where the rate or at least timing and percentage cap of increase was spelled out in writing.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-011q</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 11:21 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-8670 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">How many times a week is pick up?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I checked their web site with the promo code: GOODDEAL: <br /> <br /><a href="https://www.wmcurbside.com/specialoffers" target="_blank">https://www.wmcurbside.com/specialoffers</a> <br /> <br />Once per week (96 Gallon Trash Service): $14/month <br />Twice per week (96 Gallon Trash Service): $21/month</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-8670</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 9:16 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">How many times a week is pick up?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-011q</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 7:46 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Waste Management $15.88/month for 2 years?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I received a letter from Waste Management offering trash pickup service for $15.88/moth (2 year term), plus two free months. <br /> <br />It's a much better deal than what I have now (1 pickup per week for about $85 per 3-month).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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