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[quote="anon-0592"]This is insane! Neither section complies with state law for speed limits. After the ridiculous change on old Trenton road you would think tc members would have learned a lesson about making changes to please a minorty. Meanwhile looking like fools to the majority.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-n0rr</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Oct 12 2024, 2:34 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You must be uninformed. The county is the only one who legally can lower a speed limit. The speed limit in Old Trenton Rosd was lowered to the current speed by the county and the expanded it at the same time.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-3p8s</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2024, 6:16 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-q420 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-3p8s wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Nearly 10 years later and what a joke this is. The problem never was the areas they lowered. It’s always the 25 zones. The biggest joke is the 35 mph limit on Old Trenton road. Funny how shadow oaks residents go 50 mph while very few lived here when it was 50 mph. It’s obvious the reason nobody goes 35 is the speed limit on that road is way to low.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> The county didn’t lower the speed limit. It was our inept township council members of 2010. You must be new. <br /> <br />Complain to Middlesex County. You are a joke for complaining here when you KNOW that it's a county road</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-q420</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 23 2024, 3:10 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-3p8s wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Nearly 10 years later and what a joke this is. The problem never was the areas they lowered. It’s always the 25 zones. The biggest joke is the 35 mph limit on Old Trenton road. Funny how shadow oaks residents go 50 mph while very few lived here when it was 50 mph. It’s obvious the reason nobody goes 35 is the speed limit on that road is way to low.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Complain to Middlesex County. You are a joke for complaining here when you KNOW that it's a county road</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-3p8s</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2024, 3:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Nearly 10 years later and what a joke this is. The problem never was the areas they lowered. It’s always the 25 zones. The biggest joke is the 35 mph limit on Old Trenton road. Funny how shadow oaks residents go 50 mph while very few lived here when it was 50 mph. It’s obvious the reason nobody goes 35 is the speed limit on that road is way to low.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0592</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 18 2015, 3:22 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>claudeworld wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Huh-4618 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I've noticed less cars speeding now that the signs have been installed! Can anybody tell me if the new signs have reduced the number of tickets issued??</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Unfortunately the out-of-town tailgaters are getting worse but overall new signs and speed limits are major improvement</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">What improvement? Speed limits in Cranbury are just like the national speed limit of 55 mph. A joke. Cranbury neck old Trenton rd , and Plainsboro rd the average speed is most likely still around 50 mph. I would think this council would have had more common sense, now Cranbury is the laughing stock of the area. Here's an idea, have the cops enforce the limits in the 25 mph residential areas, like every other town in the country. Don't lower speed limits in areas that don't warrant it, when it's a fact they will be ignored. Common sense people.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-sp0n</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 14 2015, 1:08 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">They won't even tell you how many tickets were issued before the signs so don't hold your breath they will say how many since. Besides, they can only issue tickets when they patrol that street for speeding which is rare, so ticket count doesn't really correlate to speeding rate before or after.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>claudeworld</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Sep 13 2015, 11:39 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Huh-4618 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I've noticed less cars speeding now that the signs have been installed! Can anybody tell me if the new signs have reduced the number of tickets issued??</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Unfortunately the out-of-town tailgaters are getting worse but overall new signs and speed limits are major improvement</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-np42</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 12:00 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-ppq7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There are at least a dozen people on this topic who have questioned this action or asked for the information. What is served by pretending its just one?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Because one can pose as different people by posting from different IP addresses. Anonymous one posing as a dozen? We don't know. <br />That is one reason why I really wish the township committee would not regard this forum as a way to gather legitimate information or conduct any official business.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />So this entire conversation on both side could be two people. Or one person arguing with him/herself.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ppq7</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 11:24 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There are at least a dozen people on this topic who have questioned this action or asked for the information. What is served by pretending its just one?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Because one can pose as different people by posting from different IP addresses. Anonymous one posing as a dozen? We don't know. <br />That is one reason why I really wish the township committee would not regard this forum as a way to gather legitimate information or conduct any official business.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-np42</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 9:50 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-5651 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-np42 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-5651 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-np42 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Continue to make excuses all you want but it doesn't make it any more true. There is no requirement that they force people to go through a formal OPRA process to get this very basic public information. They are making a decision to make it harder to get. But comparison just look at all the notices they have sent out about the re-development meetings and the way they added pages to their website with links to documents about it. This shows how easy it would be to make this information available to the public in a reasonable way. They clearly have opted not to do that here.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Your not asking for notices, but even still they were provided on this issue. <br /> <br />People went to the meetings on redevelopment. Many people asked questions and gave their names. People asked for data. You haven't done anything except complain here. So either follow the process or don't, but your not going to get what you want. And don't say your being denied, your not. You are being told to follow the process.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The didn't just post notices. They posted plans and drawings. It was incredibly easy for them to do. Why not do it for this? Why intentionally make it hard to get the data and info that was allegedly provided at the meeting, though I have yet to find anyone who can confirm that and the details are not in the minutes? <br /> <br />And they didn't do anything like the notice they have done on this re-development. They did the minimum they are legally required to. <br /> <br />You continue to be under the impression that if someone isn't available to attend one particular meeting all their rights are forfeit. Where do you get this strange notion? And why would we want a process that does the minimum legally allowed to try and fast track a decision through on a change to something that has been in pace for decades? What drove that? And why would our public officials come here to post, multiple times, then intentionally decline to provide any of this allegedly public information? <br /> <br />You are making excuses because you are satisfied that the ends justified the means, so you don't mind the poor process. And you don't want answers to the uncomfortable questions about why they didn't do a proper study, why they excluded their resident traffic expert from the process, why they are reluctantly to answer straight forward questions about how many tickets were issues, etc. <br /> <br />I'm sure there is an issue that will matter to you, and they you will care when corners are cut, when answers are evaded. Fortunately for both of us we have the rights to our opinions whether you like it or not. <br /> <br />You can keep making excuses in lieu of providing simple facts. And others will keep calling it out.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />People went to a meeting and asked. No one has done that for this issue. Per the Mayor no one has contacted them. <br /> <br />No one is saying your rights are void. We're saying follow the rules and go to town hall. <br /> <br />You don't have a right to have answers here. Further, i hope they don't given you keep questioning their ethics. Maybe that is why they are not responding to you. You are the only one saying a study or proper review was not done, but won't ask town hall so you have proof. <br /> <br />Maybe ignoring posts like this will bring back the civil tone this board used to have.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />There are at least a dozen people on this topic who have questioned this action or asked for the information. What is served by pretending its just one? <br /> <br />All posters like you are doing is trying to distract from the real issue. Let's turn this into a discussion about ethics or civility and not pay attention to the simple, logical request to share public information. These requests for information started because some early posters on this topic made assertions about the change being based on some facts that are simply not in evidence including that concerted attempts to regulate the 25 MPH zone with speeding tickets was ineffective. Therefore sharing the data on how many speeding tickets were issued becomes directly relevant to assessment of that reasoning. It's perfectly reasonable to want to see evidence that the people making the decision reviewed and confirmed that a material number of tickets were issued in this zone as otherwise increasing the effort to do so would have been a reasonable precursor to the more aggressive action of changing the speed further up the road. And it's perfectly reasonable to ask why they decided to pay someone less qualified than the existing Township traffic consultant to assess a traffic-related matter. Would you consider it reasonable for them to make a decision on the structural integrity of the Main Street bridge by consulting the Township attorney but not the engineer?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-5651</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 10:12 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-np42 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-5651 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-np42 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Continue to make excuses all you want but it doesn't make it any more true. There is no requirement that they force people to go through a formal OPRA process to get this very basic public information. They are making a decision to make it harder to get. But comparison just look at all the notices they have sent out about the re-development meetings and the way they added pages to their website with links to documents about it. This shows how easy it would be to make this information available to the public in a reasonable way. They clearly have opted not to do that here.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Your not asking for notices, but even still they were provided on this issue. <br /> <br />People went to the meetings on redevelopment. Many people asked questions and gave their names. People asked for data. You haven't done anything except complain here. So either follow the process or don't, but your not going to get what you want. And don't say your being denied, your not. You are being told to follow the process.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The didn't just post notices. They posted plans and drawings. It was incredibly easy for them to do. Why not do it for this? Why intentionally make it hard to get the data and info that was allegedly provided at the meeting, though I have yet to find anyone who can confirm that and the details are not in the minutes? <br /> <br />And they didn't do anything like the notice they have done on this re-development. They did the minimum they are legally required to. <br /> <br />You continue to be under the impression that if someone isn't available to attend one particular meeting all their rights are forfeit. Where do you get this strange notion? And why would we want a process that does the minimum legally allowed to try and fast track a decision through on a change to something that has been in pace for decades? What drove that? And why would our public officials come here to post, multiple times, then intentionally decline to provide any of this allegedly public information? <br /> <br />You are making excuses because you are satisfied that the ends justified the means, so you don't mind the poor process. And you don't want answers to the uncomfortable questions about why they didn't do a proper study, why they excluded their resident traffic expert from the process, why they are reluctantly to answer straight forward questions about how many tickets were issues, etc. <br /> <br />I'm sure there is an issue that will matter to you, and they you will care when corners are cut, when answers are evaded. Fortunately for both of us we have the rights to our opinions whether you like it or not. <br /> <br />You can keep making excuses in lieu of providing simple facts. And others will keep calling it out.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />People went to a meeting and asked. No one has done that for this issue. Per the Mayor no one has contacted them. <br /> <br />No one is saying your rights are void. We're saying follow the rules and go to town hall. <br /> <br />You don't have a right to have answers here. Further, i hope they don't given you keep questioning their ethics. Maybe that is why they are not responding to you. You are the only one saying a study or proper review was not done, but won't ask town hall so you have proof. <br /> <br />Maybe ignoring posts like this will bring back the civil tone this board used to have.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-np42</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 9:19 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-0o99 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"><span style="font-weight: bold">This is not the official Cranbury Township website. </span>Why would the township want to come on here to comment on this anonymous hateful board.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I don't know, ask Mayor Taylor who did just that earlier in this very topic. Or ask any of the current TC members except Glenn Johnson who have all done so in the past. And even Johnson did once to respond to comments about him. But the rest have all regularly used this site to communicate on official issues. <br /> <br />And who said they had to use this site? It's been said at least a dozen times in this topic that they could use the official Cranbury Township site. And its been proven they can easily add links and documents to that site as they recently did with the redevelopment.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0o99</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 6:54 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold">This is not the official Cranbury Township website. </span>Why would the township want to come on here to comment on this anonymous hateful board.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-np42</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 6:52 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-5651 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-np42 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Continue to make excuses all you want but it doesn't make it any more true. There is no requirement that they force people to go through a formal OPRA process to get this very basic public information. They are making a decision to make it harder to get. But comparison just look at all the notices they have sent out about the re-development meetings and the way they added pages to their website with links to documents about it. This shows how easy it would be to make this information available to the public in a reasonable way. They clearly have opted not to do that here.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Your not asking for notices, but even still they were provided on this issue. <br /> <br />People went to the meetings on redevelopment. Many people asked questions and gave their names. People asked for data. You haven't done anything except complain here. So either follow the process or don't, but your not going to get what you want. And don't say your being denied, your not. You are being told to follow the process.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The didn't just post notices. They posted plans and drawings. It was incredibly easy for them to do. Why not do it for this? Why intentionally make it hard to get the data and info that was allegedly provided at the meeting, though I have yet to find anyone who can confirm that and the details are not in the minutes? <br /> <br />And they didn't do anything like the notice they have done on this re-development. They did the minimum they are legally required to. <br /> <br />You continue to be under the impression that if someone isn't available to attend one particular meeting all their rights are forfeit. Where do you get this strange notion? And why would we want a process that does the minimum legally allowed to try and fast track a decision through on a change to something that has been in pace for decades? What drove that? And why would our public officials come here to post, multiple times, then intentionally decline to provide any of this allegedly public information? <br /> <br />You are making excuses because you are satisfied that the ends justified the means, so you don't mind the poor process. And you don't want answers to the uncomfortable questions about why they didn't do a proper study, why they excluded their resident traffic expert from the process, why they are reluctantly to answer straight forward questions about how many tickets were issues, etc. <br /> <br />I'm sure there is an issue that will matter to you, and they you will care when corners are cut, when answers are evaded. Fortunately for both of us we have the rights to our opinions whether you like it or not. <br /> <br />You can keep making excuses in lieu of providing simple facts. And others will keep calling it out.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-5651</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 5:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-np42 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Continue to make excuses all you want but it doesn't make it any more true. There is no requirement that they force people to go through a formal OPRA process to get this very basic public information. They are making a decision to make it harder to get. But comparison just look at all the notices they have sent out about the re-development meetings and the way they added pages to their website with links to documents about it. This shows how easy it would be to make this information available to the public in a reasonable way. They clearly have opted not to do that here.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Your not asking for notices, but even still they were provided on this issue. <br /> <br />People went to the meetings on redevelopment. Many people asked questions and gave their names. People asked for data. You haven't done anything except complain here. So either follow the process or don't, but your not going to get what you want. And don't say your being denied, your not. You are being told to follow the process.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-np42</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 4:48 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Speed limits</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Continue to make excuses all you want but it doesn't make it any more true. There is no requirement that they force people to go through a formal OPRA process to get this very basic public information. They are making a decision to make it harder to get. But comparison just look at all the notices they have sent out about the re-development meetings and the way they added pages to their website with links to documents about it. This shows how easy it would be to make this information available to the public in a reasonable way. They clearly have opted not to do that here.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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