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[quote="Guest"][quote="Cranbury Conservative"]Here is Assemblywomen Greenstein's voting record for all to see..... http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=22544[/quote] I would be very interested for someone to do a comparison and see how often she has voted against the Speaker or Democratic majority on any bill.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2008, 5:02 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I support both Baroni and Greenstein in their efforts to fight for Cranbury. I am not aware of either demonstrating "actual results" on COAH3, yet. I discussed some ideas with Linda at Cranbury Day and I expect her to take action in the fall session. I did not get a chance to speak with Bill. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />This isn't baseball but at some point she needs to be called out for it...</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />This year, my sole focus is our obligation. Next year is a key election year and I look forward to holding all of our politicians accountable for their actions.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2008, 10:28 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I support both Baroni and Greenstein in their efforts to fight for Cranbury. I am not aware of either demonstrating "actual results" on COAH3, yet. I discussed some ideas with Linda at Cranbury Day and I expect her to take action in the fall session. I did not get a chance to speak with Bill. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I will believe it when I see it. Did you get into specific actual action plans with her? She has a long history of saying all the right things to us and never doing it then coming back and telling us she did all she could and convincing us her working within the system will help us in the end. But you never see the light at the end of that tunnel. <br /> <br />She has burned us at least three times in recent history in such a fashion. This isn't baseball but at some point she needs to be called out for it...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2008, 10:25 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Moderates don't have to leave the Democratic Party. Under Corzine, the Democratic Party left moderates in the dust. I agree that apathy is a major part of the problem and I intend to work on energizing moderates to support change in 2009. If you're interested in working together, let's catch up. I attend most TC meetings and I am PM enabled on this site.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />My problem with the Democratic Party in NY goes way beyond Corzine. The fundamental problem seems systemic to the party here. There is a massive lapse of basic ethics. Roberts is even worse than Corzine. The idea that the party is loyal to its own leadership and to major interest groups like Unions or developers rather than to the citizens is disgusting. Even locally, Stout and the other two remaining Democrats have muted our Township's response to COAH out of allegience to or fear of the State Democratic Party. That is truly disturbing to me. It is unethical and I don't want any part of such compromised leadership. Cranbury is too small to have people in elected positions mroe concerned with their own interests than the welfare of the Township. <br /> <br />I have lived in multiple states. While politicians can be "politicians" everywhere and special interests mattering more than individual citizens is pretty much a given globally, it is not as bad in most places (in the US) as New Jersey. The difference as far as I can tell is that the citizenry in the Tri-State area seems more resigned and accepting of it. No one likes it, per se, but we keep voting for people who are contributors to the problem. I think it probably doesn't help that the percentage of Union members to total voter base in NJ and NY is higher and they vote as a block as they are told to. Which raises a bigger issue for me -- the Democratic Party's relationship with unions as a whole leaves me feeling very uncomfortable as a member of the party. I have had to work closely with unions in my job and while I historically recognize their vital contribution, I think they are almost entirely corrupt institutions now. So associating with them is not much different than associating with the Mob. And ethically I hold myself to a higher standard than that.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2008, 9:12 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">[quote="Guest"] <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It is my understanding that Baroni and Greenstein are working together with Township and COAH officials. As a moderate, I admire their ability to put their partisan differences aside in the best interests of their constituents. As a resident voter, I expect both to make a meaningful difference.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />Are you kidding? This is exactly the problem. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No, I'm not kidding. Baroni and Greenstein should be working together toward a solution. I'm not sure how this can be considered "the problem". In fact, I consider their cooperation to be a good example of setting aside differences to focus on common, urgent objectives. As neighbors, perhaps we can follow their example. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />Why are we giving her credit for bipartisanship and making a difference? She has always appeared with Baroni. But he actually votes for us and she consistently votes the line regardless of what she says in meetings. That is not putting partisan differences aside. I am a moderate too, but I respect actual results and integrity and she has demonstrated neither. Baroni has demonstrated both. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I support both Baroni and Greenstein in their efforts to fight for Cranbury. I am not aware of either demonstrating "actual results" on COAH3, yet. I discussed some ideas with Linda at Cranbury Day and I expect her to take action in the fall session. I did not get a chance to speak with Bill. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />I am a Democrat but may join TC member TP in leaving the party out of disgust for the Democrats in NJ. It is really depressing to see how they have demeaned the party. But its even worse to see people accept it and even laud the politicians who contribute to the problem. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Moderates don't have to leave the Democratic Party. Under Corzine, the Democratic Party left moderates in the dust. I agree that apathy is a major part of the problem and I intend to work on energizing moderates to support change in 2009. If you're interested in working together, let's catch up. I attend most TC meetings and I am PM enabled on this site.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2008, 7:56 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I actually support a lot of Linda's votes- she did vote no on the sales tax and elimination of the death penalty. She is very pleasant in person and does show up to our meetings and town events. She shows up more than Baroni. However, she is also a partisan individual, she is not going to cross party lines on key votes. The difference is she's good at guaging things and knowing when to take shots personally on votes that are not important to the party. Thus keeping up appearances. <br /> <br />At Cranbury day she was asked by more than a few people about COAH and her vote (just using an example not to bring it up again, but it's all I have for this example). When questioned her first response was are you a republican or democrat. Why should that make a difference to her? When told she responded along the lines of most democrats understand my reasoning and the way things work in Trenton, the republicans do not. To me that is one of the problems I have and while I do support Linda, the fact that she makes party line statements like this and talks down ro members of the other party drives me insane at times because it undermines the good work she has done. It also makes me question whether as Deputy Speaker she'll truly push our cause. I want her to and we have to work with her, but in the back of my mind I have a fear that she's not going to be standing up there at the end of the day and be willing to take any heat for our town because this issue is so key for the party.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 11:29 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It is my understanding that Baroni and Greenstein are working together with Township and COAH officials. As a moderate, I admire their ability to put their partisan differences aside in the best interests of their constituents. As a resident voter, I expect both to make a meaningful difference.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Are you kidding? This is exactly the problem. Why are we giving her credit for bipartisanship and making a difference? She has always appeared with Baroni. But he actually votes for us and she consistently votes the line regardless of what she says in meetings. That is not putting partisan differences aside. I am a moderate too, but I respect actual results and integrity and she has demonstrated neither. Baroni has demonstrated both. I am a Democrat but may join TC member TP in leaving the party out of disgust for the Democrats in NJ. It is really depressing to see how they have demeaned the party. But its even worse to see people accept it and even laud the politicians who contribute to the problem.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 11:17 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yes, we vote her in but Robert's is the Speaker of the Assembly. He can easily freeze her out and has to work with them; WE DON'T. You don't think he has the same power as a CEO? You are seriously mistaken.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If he has that power it is because of attitudes like yours that seems to accept that corruption from our elected officials. There are plenty of people in Congress and other State legislatures that manage not to vote the party line every time. The way to improve NJ's broken system is to stop letting it operate like that. We can do that with our votes. Stop letting our officials show allegience to the system and remain in office. Otherwise we deserve our reputation for having some of the worst corruption in the country.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 11:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">This is a critical time for Cranbury and we NEED her now. We've have to work with what we have whether you like it or not. AND when elections roll around next year, You can vote however you want. That is strictly up to you but Cranbury cannot wait that long. Focus people; FOCUS.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That's where we disagree. It would be great to have her support but we don't really and therefore she is useless to us. Needing and having aren't the same thing. I agree we need to focus. But pretending she will somehow be useful to us and wasting an ounce of energy on her support is a waste.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 10:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No problem, COAH honestly has me both scared for the town and angry at how the politicans in Trenton seem to feel immune to anyone outside of their inner circle and donors. It's a fight that Cranbury and town's like ours have never seen before. It's not the old days of Inverso(R) and Cimino(D) in Trenton. <br /> <br />I grew up here, returned here and plan to raise my family here. I want my kids to see the same town I knew where I rode my bike to school alone in 1st grade with no worries. Where if I was seen misbehaving on Main St. someone would have called my mom, uncles, aunts, dad or grandmother so there was no escaping being in trouble <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> . Jeck we even replaced Harold's with Gil and Berts. The COAH situation really puts this all into jeopardy and gives the potential for the town I knew to be non-existent.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 10:10 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It is my understanding that Baroni and Greenstein are working together with Township and COAH officials. As a moderate, I admire their ability to put their partisan differences aside in the best interests of their constituents. As a resident voter, I expect both to make a meaningful difference.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 10:03 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sorry James - I keyed on "Condoned" - just tired tonight (it was really meant for the other negative remarks); AND really worried about how COAH is going to change this town to predominate low-moderate subsidized housing. Especially since Corzine signed off on the Highlands Master Plan, the Meadowland is getting exemptions due to Xanadu, and we are still looking and planning for 269 more homes (already have 96 - this is to start). Then the State is paying companies to employ more people in Cranbury that will raise our COAH obligations. We have a huge commercial presence that spends millions in NJ - we need to use that to our benefit - BUT I don't see that happening. We are more wrapped up into holding people accountable - When, Maybe we need to march on over to see the governor to show our disatisfaction. Time is ticking away and I am getting nervous.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 9:33 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>James wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">What annoys me actually is not so much Linda's votes and actions, but people not holding her accountable for those actions and rather defending them. She's playing her role in the system so while I'm disappointed as long as people condone it she's doing what the majority of people in Trenton are doing.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />OMG - gentlemen - let's move on - no one ever said they condoned her "obstaining" - just that we MUST move on and forward. We get it and I'm sure she gets it - bad girl bad girl. This is a critical time for Cranbury and we NEED her now. We've have to work with what we have whether you like it or not. AND when elections roll around next year, You can vote however you want. That is strictly up to you but Cranbury cannot wait that long. Focus people; FOCUS.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />This is my last comment on Linda on COAH, because quite frankly I'm tired of trying to be the one saying we have to work with her, treat her with respect (civilized), but also hold her(and others accountable) and then getting follow up posts calling me out for not moving forward when other posts are a lot more negative than mine. It's also interesting that you pull one quote from my post, use it to make an out of context statement and then say I am not focused on COAH. <br /> <br />Please show me where I say we can't focus on COAH, where we can't or shouldn't work with Linda. Because I am pretty sure I wrote, " As I said we have to be civilized and we do have to work with Linda." Tell me where I said that we should not exhaust every opportunity to reduce our obligations. <br /> <br />I explicitly said I would not vote her out, "You'll note, I have never said Linda needs to be voted out (yet, that depends on what happens going forward.)" I even excused the actions she had taken which oddly enough is the quote you used to bash me. I was focused on voters and the voter mentality. That also goes for people who vote for Wayne, Roberts and others much worse. <br /> <br />My post even asked those who are calling me out to define success with Linda, which people seem to ignore in favor of telling me to focus and move on. I asked what you and others felt was a success with Linda. I stated what I thought it is that we should work with Linda to obtain. I stated what I think. Instead of bashing me, why not tell me what you think about what Linda can and should do going forward? I know what the TC is doing and agree with the actions they've taken so far on the COAH fight. <br /> <br />Just to be clear again as I'm sure my post will be taken apart. <span style="font-weight: bold">We must work with Linda. We must treat her with respect (civilized). We must giver her what she needs to present our case. We must also expect that this information is presented. We should therefore expect that the information leads to some tangible result.</span></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 9:13 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yes this is another example of our Assemblywomen Linda Greenstein putting party politics ahead of what is right for the people she represents in our legislative district. <br /> <br />Assemblywomen Greenstein would rather be careful about what she says regarding <br />the State taking a massive loss in a risky Lehman Brothers investment since <br />she does not want to upset the leaders of her party in charge of Trenton. Not <br />upsetting the leadership of her Party was Assemblywomen Greenstein's argument for not voting to support Cranbury and the other municipalities in her district against the unfair Affordable Housing legislation which was passed and threatens to negatively impact many communities in her district. <br /> <br />Our Assemblywomen Linda Greenstein has not made one public comment in support of Cranbury or the other municipalities in her district which are being adversely impacted by COAH and the new Affordable Housing regulations. <br /> <br />Linda Greenstein our Assemblywomen comes to our town meetings and says she cares and that she understands our concerns, yet what has she done to help us here in Cranbury? <br /> <br />Hopefully everyone will start to realize Assemblywomen Greenstein is wrong for Cranbury as well as the other municipalities in her legislative district and we should consider another choice for her seat next year. <br /> <br />Assemblywomen Greenstein is playing partisan party politics and has an agenda which does not include our best interest.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I urge you to be very careful - she is currently our representative and we <br />need her right now to a fan of Cranbury not an enemy. You are walking a very <br />thin line. Let's not piss her off but help her help us. Every Cranburian whether they are a democrat, republican, or independant know the horrible impact COAH will have on Cranbury. We need to use all our resources. I know you don't like her, but let's move on before she turns her back on us.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It is posts like this that annoy me to no end. Not because they are untrue or because I don't agree that we need to be careful, but because it flies in the face of what the expectation of an elected offical should be. A representative of the voters who elected them. <br /> <br />Here is my stance on this situation. <br /> <br />In 2009, Linda is running for re-election. She's smart, cunning and knows the system. I give her a ton of credit in this department. She needs Roberts endorsement within the party and she needs the funding, resources and chairs that his support provides. She's also expectating that the political rule of voters voting in fear of change, in line with parties or with short memories exists. Therefore, she played the game perfectly. The bigger risk is annoying Roberts. A politician could jump up and down quaking like a duck on the floor and they'd still get votes from people for the reasons mentioned above. <br /> <br />So with that in hand let's look at where we are today. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">When Linda could have amended the bill did she chose to?</span> <br /> <br />No, because so doing would have annoyed Roberts and cost her politically. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"> <br />When Linda had the chance to vote no, did she?</span> <br /> <br />No, because as above and her own statements it would have angered Roberts. Notice her own statements, it would have angered Roberts, what about angering the voters? <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Have we seen any indication of her making an amendment post approval?</span> <br /> <br />No. Why? Because of her playing politics. If she was so concerned about the wrath of Roberts before the vote and during, then why on earth would she dare amend the bill post approval. In her position, I'd view this situation as follows. <br /> <br />1) It's an annoyance. <br />2) The courts will settle this. <br />3) Perhaps some lame duck Dem will make an amendment that I can take a yes vote on and look like a hero. <br />4) Perhaps Roberts, Corzine and the Republicans will make a joint agreement and some changes so I won't have to take a stand. <br />5) I'd ask for people to send me information, just as I do when a sales person comes in and I say okay send me a proposal or an applicant comes in when I have no job and say send me a resume. They walk away feeling good and I know I had got to be a good guy and not say the hard truth. <br />6) The risk I don't take is taking a stand against Roberts at this time. <br /> <br />Now this brings us to Linda and (Wayne deAngelo more so) being the examples of what's wrong with voters today. Hard to blame the politicans since they are playing the game and winning while the voters are running scared. <br /> <br />We vote party Dem or Rep, we don't vote candidate. We make our politicans celebrities and are concerned about offending them. We toe the line, and don't act like a Roberts where we say it's our interests or we get someone who is concerend. <br /> <br />The politicans know we see them this way so they don't care about offending us, it's the way the game is played they tell us and we agree like sheep. I can do more for you if I cater to poltical bosses then I can if I take a stand favorable to you my voters. Yes we agree, while we pay more in taxes and our towns get destroyed. <br /> <br />Instead of worrying about political bosses, they should be worried about the voters who decide. <br /> <br />Instead of us saying we bow to you the great wizard of OZ, we should be saying hey you owe us. Every politican who voted for the A500 bill should be running around the towns they hurt kissing up to the voters. Instead we have voters saying we need this person, just bow, back away and say how we support them and how great they are because if we question them they will not grace us with favors.[/b]</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 9:07 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Um . . . isn't this thread suppose to be about Lehman and AIG. If you want to talk about our politians - Start a new thread.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 9:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">First, you compare her standing up to Roberts as the equivalent of an employee standing up to their CEO. Completely false analogy. In fact, if you really think this way you are contributing to the problem because it suggests you believe the “political boss” system in NJ is legitimate. As an employee I work for the CEO. For someone to go against what their boss orders is dereliction of duty and grounds to be fired for cause, unless it is illegal or immoral. But Greenstein doesn’t work for Roberts and he can’t fire her. She is SUPPOSED to work for US, her electorate. And WE are the only ones who can fire her. So all you do is reinforce my point. To correct your analogy, she has stood up to us, her boss, and blatantly refused to do her duty.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, we vote her in but Robert's is the Speaker of the Assembly. He can easily freeze her out and has to work with them; WE DON'T. You don't think he has the same power as a CEO? You are seriously mistaken.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2008, 9:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Lehman Likely to File for Bankruptcy Protection</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cranbury Conservative wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Yes this is another example of our Assemblywomen Linda Greenstein putting party politics ahead of what is right for the people she represents in our legislative district. <br /> <br />Assemblywomen Greenstein would rather be careful about what she says regarding the State taking a massive loss in a risky Lehman Brothers investment since she does not want to upset the leaders of her party in charge of Trenton. Not upsetting the leadership of her Party was Assemblywomen Greenstein's argument for not voting to support Cranbury and the other municipalities in her district against the unfair Affordable Housing legislation which was passed and threatens to negatively impact many communities in her district. <br /> <br />Our Assemblywomen Linda Greenstein has not made one public comment in support of Cranbury or the other municipalities in her district which are being adversely impacted by COAH and the new Affordable Housing regulations. <br /> <br />Linda Greenstein our Assemblywomen comes to our town meetings and says she cares and that she understands our concerns, yet what has she done to help us here in Cranbury? <br /> <br />Hopefully everyone will start to realize Assemblywomen Greenstein is wrong for Cranbury as well as the other municipalities in her legislative district and we should consider another choice for her seat next year. <br /> <br />Assemblywomen Greenstein is playing partisan party politics and has an agenda which does not include our best interest.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I urge you to be very careful - she is currently our representative and we need her right now to a fan of Cranbury not an enemy. You are walking a very thin line. Let's not piss her off but help her help us. Every Cranburian whether they are a democrat, republican, or independant know the horrible impact COAH will have on Cranbury. We need to use all our resources. I know you don't like her, but let's move on before she turns her back on us.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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