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[quote="Guest"]He's already demonstrated that he will go along with David/Pari/Richard. Name a single issue where he has openly stated his opposition to something they supported? The opposite is true -- he has made a point to publicly support all their initiatives so far this year. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt that he coincidentally came to all these conclusions independently, the net result is there is still a 90+ perent change for future issues that he will agree with them. Similarly, as the voting record proves, the existing three of them always vote together. So what is the point of a 5 person TC if 3 and then 4 of them will always vote as one? Even if I disagreed with virtually every position of a candidate, I would rather have some real debate and checks-and-balance on the TC than the group think that seems to pervade right now.[/quote]
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James
Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2008, 4:30 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
If I recall correctly this was brought about in 2005.
http://www.cranburytownship.org/TC_minutes_11-28-05.html
The members on the TC were all Democrats- Stave, Stanard, Panconi, Stout, and Becky.
Guest
Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2008, 12:37 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library et al
Ex-Democrat wrote:
2) Stout had a re-assessment because he was concerned that commercial property owners would appeal their tax assessment; no kidding, they always have and will continue to do so. Who was hurt by this re-assessment? You and me, and it was a Stout idea backed by our Democrats on the committee. What good did it do us?
Fact Check - It was unanimous everyone including Republican and Democrat on TC voted YES On the tax reassessment.
Ex-Democrat
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 4:02 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library et al
Do you want 4 people to run the town without any concern for the majority of residents? If so, vote for Ritter. If you want to take the town back, 1st vote for Codey then get Stout to listen by voicing your opinions, not only here but in the Press and in public and in TC meetings. Starting approximately 16 years ago, the TC became the representatives of a few. Consider: 1) We never use to hire consultants; we spoke with each other. We had one TC member who did not want to make a decision without 1st hiring a consultant. Fortunatley, the other 4 disagreed, and we saved a lot and did quite well. 2) Stout had a re-assessment because he was concerned that commercial property owners would appeal their tax assessment; no kidding, they always have and will continue to do so. Who was hurt by this re-assessment? You and me, and it was a Stout idea backed by our Democrats on the committee. What good did it do us? 3) Who wanted a Babe Ruth field? Pari and some of her firends. However, do you know how many Cranbury kids play Babe Ruth? I heard about there was one. So far the $400,000 came from a grant. The grant has been spent. Guess where the other estimated $500,000 will come from? 4) West property. At least Stout could have pretended to listen to the school board members (present and past) and past TC memebrs who bought the property and then make his comments a week later. None of the TC Dmocrats lived in town when we bought the property, which was for the school expansion even though we knew we did not need it all for the school. Consider, however, in the 1980's we had less than 400 children in Cranbury school; in the early 1980's we had less than 300. We are now over 600, and that's after preserving a lot of acerage. I don't want another school expansion, but if we need one, we need a place to build. 5) Now, back to the library; I don't know about you, but I've never been crowded in the library. We simply cannot afford to build a new library or renovate the bank. It would be less expensive to build one, but why? Again, this is nothing more than a few individuals wanting to build their own little empires in a town that use to work together for the "common good."
Enough said. I was a Democrat, but no longer. I've lived in Cranbury a long time, and what these people have done to this town is unconscionable, and I can no longer be associated with their party.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 10:18 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
concerned wrote:
I have to say I am concerned that Mr. Ritter will get in because there are too many people who don't pay attention to anything, but party. In all honesty the comments above are accurate and what concerns me. No matter how hard a person works it doesn't matter if it goes against the interests of the residents. In fact that only serves to cause me more alarm. I'd rather have someone who is lazy working against me than someone who is doing it actively. At least in the first scenario less damage is likely to occur.
Mr. Ritter is David's hand picked candidate. Is it any wonder he did not comment at the CHA meeting last week, the West property meeting, the 130D meeting, the PNC meeting he echoed David's comments. Watch his actions and listen to his open comments, not what he says face to face. It's clear his objective is ensuring David, Pari, Richard and yes Tom as well (look at his record) all have a 5-0 vote for their projects and tax increases. He is smart and he's being led by the 3 on the TC as to what to say and do. That's why he's absent from discussion here, why his comments mirror the the three on the TC and why he doesn't state positions that financially conservative.
We need signs and buttons. "Dems for Win" "Cody's a WINner" (okay, that one was bad)... But you get the idea. You are correct that if the silent majority in town doesn't get the message about what the TC has been doing and how Mr. Stout is counting on the Democratic majority to blindly elect someone who will tow his line, then Mr. Ritter probably will win by default. It's great that Mr. Cody is being hosted at a couple public events, but I'm worried it will mostly attract Republicans. Does the avergae voter here really understand just what the TC has been up to and that a vote for Mr. Ritter is apparently a vote of conifdence for Mr. Stout's administration and will basically give him limitless power for the next two critical years of our Township?
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 10:13 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
Exactly. There seems to be more party control of the voting on our TC than the national parties have in Congress where even now people are crossing parties on the major issues before the Congress. That NEVER happens here. The one person who didn't vote the party line under STout ultimately had to leave the party. And no need to say he did it only because of the State politics. It is a very poorly kept secret in Town that he was frustrated with Stout's tactics and control and was being frozen out of the majority as a result. The other three, for example, had already toured the PNC site together and started unofficial negotiations with the owner before Tom was even informed of their interest in the site. They assumed their majority would carry the day and were totally caught off-guard by both the public opposition and the fact that Tom just didn't go along despite the fact that they didn't even feel the need to include him in the process.
concerned
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 10:10 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
I have to say I am concerned that Mr. Ritter will get in because there are too many people who don't pay attention to anything, but party. In all honesty the comments above are accurate and what concerns me. No matter how hard a person works it doesn't matter if it goes against the interests of the residents. In fact that only serves to cause me more alarm. I'd rather have someone who is lazy working against me than someone who is doing it actively. At least in the first scenario less damage is likely to occur.
Mr. Ritter is David's hand picked candidate. Is it any wonder he did not comment at the CHA meeting last week, the West property meeting, the 130D meeting, the PNC meeting he echoed David's comments. Watch his actions and listen to his open comments, not what he says face to face. It's clear his objective is ensuring David, Pari, Richard and yes Tom as well (look at his record) all have a 5-0 vote for their projects and tax increases. He is smart and he's being led by the 3 on the TC as to what to say and do. That's why he's absent from discussion here, why his comments mirror the the three on the TC and why he doesn't state positions that financially conservative.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 9:54 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
This is the way I see it…
The TC says Cranbury needs to buy the PNC building and Mr. Ritter agrees with the 3 on the TC
The TC and library say they need to build a new Library and Mr. Ritter agrees with the 3 on the TC
The TC says that Linda Greenstein not voting to support Cranbury against Affordable Housing legislation is ok since she is really working behind the scenes for us and Mr. Ritter agrees with the 3 on the TC
The TC says they will decide what the open space needs are for Cranbury , and to not let the voters have a say and again Mr. Ritter agrees with the 3 on the TC
The TC decides to preserve the West Property without consulting the Board of Education of course Mr. Ritter aggress with the 3 on the TC
Mr. Ritter is proving again and again he will just go along with the 3 on the TC and will not take a stand on an issue which contradicts them.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 9:29 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
He's already demonstrated that he will go along with David/Pari/Richard. Name a single issue where he has openly stated his opposition to something they supported? The opposite is true -- he has made a point to publicly support all their initiatives so far this year. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt that he coincidentally came to all these conclusions independently, the net result is there is still a 90+ perent change for future issues that he will agree with them.
Similarly, as the voting record proves, the existing three of them always vote together.
So what is the point of a 5 person TC if 3 and then 4 of them will always vote as one?
Even if I disagreed with virtually every position of a candidate, I would rather have some real debate and checks-and-balance on the TC than the group think that seems to pervade right now.
James
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 7:23 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
Here is my concern about Mr. Ritter. He does seem very nice. However, he does not personally strike me as someone who will stand up to the current TC members. His comments and his mannerisms strike me as someone who goes along. He also doesn't strike me from his comments as someone who will actually seek opinions. He doesn't like the referendum idea and he has stated a dangerous message as it concerns spending with regard to the library.
Therefore, I would urge extreme caution when anyone listens to his message. Is he saying things people want to hear to get elected or because they are safe things to say? I say this only because if what he says now is different from what the Dems on the TC want to do I don't see him taking a strong stand opposing them. His messages have all been in line with their views. So if 130D is something David, Pari and Richard want, then John strikes me as the type of person who will go along with their vote.
With Win I know he's going to take the stand because he has no allegiance to the Dems on the TC. He is not dependent on them nor does he need to curry favor with them.
Jersey Dad
Posted: Thu, Sep 25 2008, 11:51 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
Okay wrote:
I know some on the board like Mr. Ritter and he seems perfectlly nice as a neighbor. But, not as someone I want to put in charge of my money.
Aside from being genuinely "likeable", as Okay suggests, Mr. Ritter has earned my respect by taking the time to get deep on issues that are important to me. Mr. Cody is also starting to do the same. My vote will go to the candidate that I think best represents my views on the issues most important to me.
As far as our money is concerned, I hope Cranbury's fiscal conservatives are preparing to sharpen their pencils on the 2008 COAH3 Plan that is about to be unveiled. The 2005 Plan is available on the township web site for your inspiration.
Historically Fiscal
Posted: Thu, Sep 25 2008, 7:06 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Ritter and the library
Quote:
Mr. Ritter, who publicly spoke in favor of further exploration of the PNC bank purchase, said that he supported the idea if it triggered discussion on the future of the library.
Most on the TC including Mr. Ritter worry me when they act quickly to spend my tax money without any planning or justifiable needs. PNC is another perfect example of wanting to buy the building, but not sure what to do with it. And Mr. Ritter's conscious was even telling him it was a bad idea, he said in the PRESS article ”I think the outcome of the study would have probably concluded that it wasn’t the best solution for a library”. So how can you support buying it when your own better judgment indicates that it will not work for the library, or for Cranbury taxpayers? I'm totally against paying another consultant just to tell me what I should already know about the investment. Dont buy the PNC!!
The PNC was always a bad idea, there has been soooo much written about why its a bad opportunity - you should review the following analysis by my neighbors that have detailed knowledge of PNC and have given the TC some free advice. I wish the David/Pari/Richard would sometimes listen instead of holding meetings behind closed doors about things like this.
http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?p=4463&highlight=brennan+library+pnc#4463
While others around me are dealing with the current Financial Crisis, and some are addressing the COAH3 crisis successfully (i.e Clinton Twnsp), many here in Cranbury are still distracted by this shinny new Library crisis. JUST SILLY to me, what library crisis.
I do not want my local Cranbury leaders to be detracted by a Library crisis that frankly doesnt exist here in Cranbury. Every time I read in the Cranbury Press about the latest issue, like the limited morning hours because of the SchoolLibrary and PublicLibrary disagreements, the reply by some on the TC is to build a new building. WHY? WHY is that the only solution to these issues? WHY is common sense missing from our TC?
1) Can we not address these limited morning hours and just extend the evening and weekend hours for the Public as a solution?
2) Can we not have a teacher supervised class in the same Public Library? (its worked for over 40yrs like this already and its been safe)
3) How often are the public library meeting rooms used anyway? I know of several other public Cranbury facilities also that have been used by the Historic Soc Building, Cranbury Museum, Town Hall, and even the Churches, Inn and Rooster can have plenty of events.
And the Sr. Citizens Development here on Old Trenton Rd has a common facility that can be used, its quite pretty and large, and always avail. Its always empty when I pass it every day.
So I dont see a reason to build a new building yet here in Cranbury at all. We easily can extend the Public Library hours, and there's plenty of public spaces in Cranbury for meetings, so what is the CRISIS. Why is this Library thing always coming up?
Ah maybe because they want to let the TC and new candidates know that they would like to help with the costs of the current building they are sharing with the school. I think both candidates should be looking at why the current public library is hording its budget and not sharing in the true costs of the current building arrangement? Someone should be looking at the true financial drain the Pub Library really is and fix that before we give them more of our taxpayer money. That would be my priority if I were running.
Okay
Posted: Thu, Sep 25 2008, 5:46 pm EDT
Post subject: Ritter and the library
Well, since Mr. Ritter won't come on here to discuss his views and yes he does know this board exists and that Win posts here. So there is no longer an excuse. We're mostly left with the Cranbury Press. If his comments in the Press are an indication of how he'll act as TC member than we're in trouble if he's elected. He's an exact replica of David Stout.
Last week he expressed his dislike for voter comment by stating he does not believe in a referendum and cited imaginary costs. This week in the Press Mr. Ritter clearly ignores the financial situation in town and the COAH costs and perceptions by stating his position favoring a new stand alone library in the short term.
M r. Ritter said the development has been a wake-up call for Cranbury.
“We have reached the point where they cannot both meet their missions at the same time in the small space that they share. It is time for the library board, the school board and the Township Committee to carefully plan a transition of the Cranbury Public Library to its own space in a way that creates the minimum loss of vital services for both the students and the public.”
Mr. Ritter said he encourages the public library and Township Committee to formalize an agreement for using the space on the Wright South property, which has been designated by the township Master Plan as the site for a future library.
Mr. Ritter this is not proven yet and clearly the town is need of conserving finances. You can't state that they can't meet their missions as until the PNC issue arose it was not a major concern. It remains to be seen how the new school hours and library work. So you're speaking out of personal opinion and using it as fact.
We have many residents who can't afford pet projects. Why do the Dems on the TC and their chosen few not see this? Must they bankrupt the town before they realize they're acting improperly?
Mr. Ritter, who publicly spoke in favor of further exploration of the PNC bank purchase, said that he supported the idea if it triggered discussion on the future of the library.
”I think the outcome of the study would have probably concluded that it wasn’t the best solution for a library,” he said. “But it would have allowed us to understand how fast we were going to need a facility.”
We have a master plan and we didn't need further exploration or to waste time and money to pursue this endavor. So you spoke in favor of reviewing the building even though you don't believe it will be bought so you can further discuss a library as a stand alone building? What sense does that make when the end result could be a 3 plus million dollar obligation?
What if the purchase went through, would you have supported it then? If not, it seems rather poor judgement to support discussion and not the purchase in this scenario. If you did support the PNC discussion then clearly you were in favor of buying the library since that is where the discussion would lead. Please speak openly and take a real position unlike the others on the TC.
”The library will then be in a position to develop a design for a library with expanded programs and capabilities and meeting spaces that can be shared by other community groups that it can present to the community for approval,” Mr. Ritter said. “The library will also have to aggressively pursue public and private grants and contributions to reduce the cost of a public library to taxpayers as much as possible. Cost is a major consideration for all of us.
”We are going to have to decide as a community where we are headed in the future and the place of a public library in our community is a critical decision about our future,” he said. “It’s a lot of lead time to plan this so the sooner we start the better.”
These comments are identical to Mr. Stout. Given last week's comments and how he'll make decisions for us instead of through us voting on referendums, I can't see how Mr. Ritter could be considered a serious candidate for TC. Not if we're concerned about our town.
I know some on the board like Mr. Ritter and he seems perfectlly nice as a neighbor. But, not as someone I want to put in charge of my money.