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[quote="Guest"][quote="Cranbury Conservative"]Save the money on a consultant and pay an arbitrator to resolve the “Dispute” between the Library and School.[/quote] I disagree, we should not pay anyone to help them get along. These administrators were not elected to the position, get payed good money (they receive a pay check probably larger that many people in this town), and this is part of their job description. The community link between the library and the school has been there long before they took their jobs. This is what the community wants and they need to respect and accept it. If they cannot work on this relationship without paid outside negotiators then perhaps Cranbury needs to make some employment changes.[/quote]
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James
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 5:30 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
CL is right. Here is what I see.
Getting Win elected is the first step to taking back our town and making a statement that we will no longer tolerate a TC who spends without concern.
1) Everyone posting here convinces 16 people to vote for Win (that's only 8 couples) oif we do that we'll be in a good position for Win to win this election. Assume only 20 people talk to 8 couples and get them to support Win. That's 320 votes. Win needs 400 to clearly win so this is a real possibility since most people know at least 8 married couples in town.
2) If Win is elected then next year 2 seats are up. That means the Stout 3 majority can come to an end and strong financial sense can take over. Imagine in a couple of years not having a tax increase or having to worry about PNC, ballfields or other such issues.
I know I can't afford a 5-0 or 4-1 majority my taxes are already too high.
If you can, I'd encourage people who know people who are Democrats or undecided to have them come to the Inn on the 3rd. It's free and they can see and meet the person who gives us the best chance to take back our town.
cranbury liberal
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 5:03 pm EDT
Post subject: The TC election is really a vote for or against more unchecked spending & ta
Guest wrote:
The problem is that it won't be up to the voters. We'll just be stuck paying the bill.
But it is in the form of the TC election.
It takes 4 votes of the TC to get any bond issuance approved. So far two aggressive attempts to get the stand-alone library in the form of the PNC building were thwarted by two negative votes on the TC. One of those two is retiring from the TC. If Mr. Ritter is elected there is an absolute certainty the TC will re-raise the issue and approve the bonds. Both he and the other Stout Three have already vocally supported the idea.
If Mr. Cody wins election, he has already stated his opposition to the PNC purchase and his general conviction that now is not the time to be pursuing a stand-alone library expense.
So this election is effectively a public vote for or against spending money starting in 2009 on the stand alone library. The problem is I'm not sure everyone realizes that.
Also, PNC site aside, this election is effective a mandate on Mr. Stout's majority. Even though the majority will still exist either way, if Mr. Ritter is elected it is the equivalent of a vote of confidence in Mr. Stout's administration and hegemony over the Township. And he would now control 4 votes on any matter he wished to take up and would have a lock on issuing new bonds for spending, etc.
If Mr. Cody is elected, it is a vote of no confidence in Mr. Stout and while he still has the simple majority he will be denied the lock on 4 votes he needs to unilaterally pass major spending initiatives.
It is critical that each of us reading this stop just preaching to the choir here and really make sure our friends and neighbors understand this. Everyone needs to vote their conscious in the end but we need to make sure as many people as possible understand what the election is about – not just a contest between two nice guys but a vote in favor of continued focus on major spending initiatives done without public input or a vote to safeguard against unchecked spending which will distract from COAH and raise our taxes. Some people may want us to do all these spending initiatives and if so I guess Mr. Ritter is their man. I just think it would be a tragedy if people vote either way without truly understanding what they are voting for.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 3:43 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
The problem is that it won't be up to the voters. We'll just be stuck paying the bill.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 2:11 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Guest wrote:
Actually, I think this is one big blow up where all three are together, and it's us residents having a different view. They just don't want an outward appearance of working together as divisiveness can often be a strong tool to getting what you want (i.e. if Mom says no, then ask Dad.)
The TC wants a library to be a stand alone facility. They have stated this, Pari blasted people in the Press article about the PNC purchase back in May for not seeing her vision and even David's hand picked candidate Mr. Ritter has stated this position. So they gain by letting the arguement proceed because it justifies their building a new library. Mediating a solution works against their personal goals.
The School wants the library out so they can have the full use of the facility.
The library wants out so they can have a stand alone facility.
So the issue is that all three entities are raising issues and concerns that all have the same end game. That being a stand alone facility.
When one issue comes up and residents fight it, another one is immediately raised by someone else. In other words, they are rotating being the bad guy.
An outside consultant is just another voice that justify's the same want of all three entities. It's not the hours, the PNC opportunity or anything else, it is an independent consultant now saying this is the solution.
Yep, I feel the same.
At least now it's up to the voters to decide. If you folks are against the idea, try to convince the majority of the voters.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 1:39 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Guest wrote:
Actually, I think this is one big blow up where all three are together, and it's us residents having a different view. They just don't want an outward appearance of working together as divisiveness can often be a strong tool to getting what you want (i.e. if Mom says no, then ask Dad.)
The TC wants a library to be a stand alone facility. They have stated this, Pari blasted people in the Press article about the PNC purchase back in May for not seeing her vision and even David's hand picked candidate Mr. Ritter has stated this position. So they gain by letting the arguement proceed because it justifies their building a new library. Mediating a solution works against their personal goals.
The School wants the library out so they can have the full use of the facility.
The library wants out so they can have a stand alone facility.
So the issue is that all three entities are raising issues and concerns that all have the same end game. That being a stand alone facility.
When one issue comes up and residents fight it, another one is immediately raised by someone else. In other words, they are rotating being the bad guy.
An outside consultant is just another voice that justify's the same want of all three entities. It's not the hours, the PNC opportunity or anything else, it is an independent consultant now saying this is the solution.
If only we had this kind of dedication to fix the Cranbury COAH 3:1 ratio problem instead of putting up bronze plaques on ballfields and dreaming up new problems with the library.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 12:58 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Actually, I think this is one big blow up where all three are together, and it's us residents having a different view. They just don't want an outward appearance of working together as divisiveness can often be a strong tool to getting what you want (i.e. if Mom says no, then ask Dad.)
The TC wants a library to be a stand alone facility. They have stated this, Pari blasted people in the Press article about the PNC purchase back in May for not seeing her vision and even David's hand picked candidate Mr. Ritter has stated this position. So they gain by letting the arguement proceed because it justifies their building a new library. Mediating a solution works against their personal goals.
The School wants the library out so they can have the full use of the facility.
The library wants out so they can have a stand alone facility.
So the issue is that all three entities are raising issues and concerns that all have the same end game. That being a stand alone facility.
When one issue comes up and residents fight it, another one is immediately raised by someone else. In other words, they are rotating being the bad guy.
An outside consultant is just another voice that justify's the same want of all three entities. It's not the hours, the PNC opportunity or anything else, it is an independent consultant now saying this is the solution.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 12:46 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Well put Frugality, however is anyone on the TC listening?
Or have personal agendas of the three (3) on the TC gotten in the way...
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 12:45 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Frugality in Cranbury wrote:
I am someone who adamantly believes it takes a "Village to raise a child". Everyone in this town is important to the values that are instilled into our children. However, what are we teaching them? If you can't get your way, sue someone or pay someone to figure it out.
When daddy “TC” finds their children “School” and “Library” are having a fight. Don’t you think it is important for the daddy to step in instead for hiring Nanny “Arbitrator” to break up this fight?
The school and library administrators had been hired by the TC on the behalf of the taxpayers. TC take control and stop the insanity. It is extremely divisive at a time when everyone needs to pull together.
Unfortunately "Daddy TC" is too busy in Atlantic City spending the family savings to worry about what the kids are up to...
Frugality in Cranbury
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 12:17 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
I am someone who adamantly believes it takes a "Village to raise a child". Everyone in this town is important to the values that are instilled into our children. However, what are we teaching them? If you can't get your way, sue someone or pay someone to figure it out.
When daddy “TC” finds their children “School” and “Library” are having a fight. Don’t you think it is important for the daddy to step in instead for hiring Nanny “Arbitrator” to break up this fight?
The school and library administrators had been hired by the TC on the behalf of the taxpayers. TC take control and stop the insanity. It is extremely divisive at a time when everyone needs to pull together.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 11:03 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
This is always what concerns me in terms of our school. We have a great k-8 program. When Charlie Argento was here the school was run perfectly and he recognized the school for what it was a small town k-8 elementary school where the focus was on kids and teacher relationships.
Bartoletti came in and suddenly it was not good enough it had to be bigger, grander, more sports programs, etc...
Then we get Haney from another big school system and things become grander...
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 10:47 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Guest wrote:
Cranbury Conservative wrote:
Save the money on a consultant and pay an arbitrator to resolve the “Dispute” between the Library and School.
I disagree, we should not pay anyone to help them get along. These administrators were not elected to the position, get payed good money (they receive a pay check probably larger that many people in this town), and this is part of their job description. The community link between the library and the school has been there long before they took their jobs. This is what the community wants and they need to respect and accept it. If they cannot work on this relationship without paid outside negotiators then perhaps Cranbury needs to make some employment changes.
From a fiscal perspective I agree with you and further since we are a small town it should not come to the point that we need to pay anyone to solve an issue as minor as this. However it first appears the TC is unwilling to get involved and from what I hear it may be time for an arbitrator since both sides are not talking and the Library in particular is taking an antagonistic approach to the situation.
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Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 10:46 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
What's going on with this town?? It was a good town not long ago. Now, we have school vs. library, TC vs. disgruntle residents, a ballfield that we don't own and can't use without permission but need to pay for its upkeep!
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 10:39 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Cranbury Conservative wrote:
Save the money on a consultant and pay an arbitrator to resolve the “Dispute” between the Library and School.
I disagree, we should not pay anyone to help them get along. These administrators were not elected to the position, get payed good money (they receive a pay check probably larger that many people in this town), and this is part of their job description. The community link between the library and the school has been there long before they took their jobs. This is what the community wants and they need to respect and accept it. If they cannot work on this relationship without paid outside negotiators then perhaps Cranbury needs to make some employment changes.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 9:39 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Save the money on a consultant and pay an arbitrator to resolve the “Dispute” between the Library and School.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 9:22 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
Even if you could find a cosultant that wouldn't automatically try to justify the new library, that person wouldn't be hired. Think about who's hiring the person -- the same group that has not only made it clear they want a new library but who has so far relentlessly tried to manipulate the public process to force one though at the taxpayers expense. Why would they suddenly demonstrate integrity and not pre-vet the disposition of the consultant to assure it matches their end-result expectations.
Let's be realistic. They are not hiring someone to help "us" make the decision, they are hiring someone to help them justify the already determined result they have deemed on our collective behalf, as our expense.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2008, 8:46 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Cranbury Library
I agree. By it's name alone a library consultant has one objective and they will take what their hearing from the library and school and formulate a plan according to what they hear are the concerns and wishes.