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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Oct 31 2011, 10:30 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Enough about Steve Jobs already. <br />You'd think he walked on water or something!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 7:25 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Really nice. Thanks for posting, I had missed this.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 5:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: A Sister’s Eulogy for Steve Jobs</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A Sister’s Eulogy for Steve Jobs <br />By MONA SIMPSON <br />Published: October 30, 2011 <br /> <br />I grew up as an only child, with a single mother. Because we were poor and because I knew my father had emigrated from Syria, I imagined he looked like Omar Sharif. I hoped he would be rich and kind and would come into our lives (and our not yet furnished apartment) and help us. Later, after I’d met my father, I tried to believe he’d changed his number and left no forwarding address because he was an idealistic revolutionary, plotting a new world for the Arab people. <br /> <br />Even as a feminist, my whole life I’d been waiting for a man to love, who could love me. For decades, I’d thought that man would be my father. When I was 25, I met that man and he was my brother. <br /> <br />By then, I lived in New York, where I was trying to write my first novel. I had a job at a small magazine in an office the size of a closet, with three other aspiring writers. When one day a lawyer called me — me, the middle-class girl from California who hassled the boss to buy us health insurance — and said his client was rich and famous and was my long-lost brother, the young editors went wild. This was 1985 and we worked at a cutting-edge literary magazine, but I’d fallen into the plot of a Dickens novel and really, we all loved those best. The lawyer refused to tell me my brother’s name and my colleagues started a betting pool. The leading candidate: John Travolta. I secretly hoped for a literary descendant of Henry James — someone more talented than I, someone brilliant without even trying. <br /> <br />When I met Steve, he was a guy my age in jeans, Arab- or Jewish-looking and handsomer than Omar Sharif. <br /> <br />We took a long walk — something, it happened, that we both liked to do. I don’t remember much of what we said that first day, only that he felt like someone I’d pick to be a friend. He explained that he worked in computers. <br /> <br />I didn’t know much about computers. I still worked on a manual Olivetti typewriter. <br /> <br />I told Steve I’d recently considered my first purchase of a computer: something called the Cromemco. <br /> <br />Steve told me it was a good thing I’d waited. He said he was making something that was going to be insanely beautiful. <br /> <br />I want to tell you a few things I learned from Steve, during three distinct periods, over the 27 years I knew him. They’re not periods of years, but of states of being. His full life. His illness. His dying. <br /> <br />Steve worked at what he loved. He worked really hard. Every day. <br /> <br />That’s incredibly simple, but true. <br /> <br />He was the opposite of absent-minded. <br /> <br />He was never embarrassed about working hard, even if the results were failures. If someone as smart as Steve wasn’t ashamed to admit trying, maybe I didn’t have to be. <br /> <br />When he got kicked out of Apple, things were painful. He told me about a dinner at which 500 Silicon Valley leaders met the then-sitting president. Steve hadn’t been invited. <br /> <br />He was hurt but he still went to work at Next. Every single day. <br /> <br />Novelty was not Steve’s highest value. Beauty was. <br /> <br />For an innovator, Steve was remarkably loyal. If he loved a shirt, he’d order 10 or 100 of them. In the Palo Alto house, there are probably enough black cotton turtlenecks for everyone in this church. <br /> <br />He didn’t favor trends or gimmicks. He liked people his own age. <br /> <br />His philosophy of aesthetics reminds me of a quote that went something like this: “Fashion is what seems beautiful now but looks ugly later; art can be ugly at first but it becomes beautiful later.” <br /> <br />Steve always aspired to make beautiful later. <br /> <br />He was willing to be misunderstood. <br /> <br />Uninvited to the ball, he drove the third or fourth iteration of his same black sports car to Next, where he and his team were quietly inventing the platform on which Tim Berners-Lee would write the program for the World Wide Web. <br /> <br />Steve was like a girl in the amount of time he spent talking about love. Love was his supreme virtue, his god of gods. He tracked and worried about the romantic lives of the people working with him. <br /> <br />Whenever he saw a man he thought a woman might find dashing, he called out, “Hey are you single? Do you wanna come to dinner with my sister?” <br /> <br />I remember when he phoned the day he met Laurene. “There’s this beautiful woman and she’s really smart and she has this dog and I’m going to marry her.” <br /> <br />When Reed was born, he began gushing and never stopped. He was a physical dad, with each of his children. He fretted over Lisa’s boyfriends and Erin’s travel and skirt lengths and Eve’s safety around the horses she adored. <br /> <br />None of us who attended Reed’s graduation party will ever forget the scene of Reed and Steve slow dancing. <br />... <br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Oct 14 2011, 9:36 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">So when one of the Rockefellers dies we should leave a quart of oil at their doorstep? <br />Maybe we can blame our dependence on oil on them too?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You keep using analogies that don't make sense. No one asked you or anyone to do anything for a dead person. Those who did something for a dead person is because they felt for that person. <br /> <br />Someone said Apple is a mix of a religion and a brand. It's ok if you don't get why the Apple fans did what they did, but please stop.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2011, 9:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm guessing the "don't get it" poster is on the older side... <br /> <br />In any event, all that matters is how Steve's family interpreted it and they were genuinely touched by it. So whether you get it or not doesn't really matter -- the people it was for did.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2011, 3:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">So when one of the Rockefellers dies we should leave a quart of oil at their doorstep? <br />Maybe we can blame our dependence on oil on them too?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2011, 3:26 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thats nice...................but, I'm still not getting the bitten apple thing. <br />Maybe I didn't take enough calculus in high school?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2011, 11:54 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Maybe it's a geek/nerd thing, but, I still don't get leaving bitten apples outside of Job's house. <br />I guess the computer crowd has it's own strange tribal rituals and customs?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What is not to get? The company's identity was a bitten apple. It's a pretty straight-forward tribute. <br /> <br />A vast majority of Jobs fans aren't computer geeks. If that's all it was Apple's consumer electronics products wouldn't come close to making Apple the largest public company in the world behind Exxon.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Apple's market cap passed Exxon Mobile today (371.10B vs. 370.83B), becoming the most valuable company on planet earth.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2011, 11:20 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Maybe it's a geek/nerd thing, but, I still don't get leaving bitten apples outside of Job's house. <br />I guess the computer crowd has it's own strange tribal rituals and customs?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What is not to get? The company's identity was a bitten apple. It's a pretty straight-forward tribute. <br /> <br />A vast majority of Jobs fans aren't computer geeks. If that's all it was Apple's consumer electronics products wouldn't come close to making Apple the largest public company in the world behind Exxon.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2011, 10:57 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Maybe it's a geek/nerd thing, but, I still don't get leaving bitten apples outside of Job's house. <br />I guess the computer crowd has it's own strange tribal rituals and customs?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yep, I can tell you are not a geek/nerd, which is ok. <br /> <br />If you don't have a smart phone, I recommend iPhone 4S or visit an Apple store to see a demo. It's the best smart phone you can buy.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2011, 10:09 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Maybe it's a geek/nerd thing, but, I still don't get leaving bitten apples outside of Job's house. <br />I guess the computer crowd has it's own strange tribal rituals and customs?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2011, 10:42 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">[quote="Guest"]</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> I agree the Woz was the technical genius -- he was a wiz at reducing chipsets to make the PC affordable, and Jobs was the marketing and product genius. But frankly Edison was more a business genius than an engineering genius. Most of the inventions attributed to him were developed by others in his employ.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />When asked about the Edison reference to Jobs in an interview , Woz last night he acknowledged that it was probably not a good comparison since Job wasnt an engineer and didnt spend time tinkering like Edison. But he did shed light on how Job saw capabilities and products well into the future and worked with Woz in the early days to bring those ideas to life. Did same thing throughout his life at Apple working with other brilliant people that he hired and collaborated with to shape the direction of how computing and even person devices should be. In this respect he is a great leader and businessman and that part Edison also had in addition to the engineering inventions. Edison could probably sit down with one of his engineers or work alone and improve on their design, Job could not. Job gave verbal feedback on what he liked and didnt want in a product, still very important in the design process. It keeps the engineers focused on a goal even when that vision is only in one man's head, and contrary to where the entire industry is headed.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2011, 8:21 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Of the Apple founders I would call Wozniac the Edison in that firm, he is a true engineer in the lab and created many firsts for PCs. As for what Jobs did there are too many to list, but for me the very first spreadsheet was created on an apple, and I still use them at work to this day.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I agree the Woz was the technical genius -- he was a wiz at reducing chipsets to make the PC affordable, and Jobs was the marketing and product genius. But frankly Edison was more a business genius than an engineering genius. Most of the inventions attributed to him were developed by others in his employ.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2011, 8:03 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Of the Apple founders I would call Wozniac the Edison in that firm, he is a true engineer in the lab and created many firsts for PCs. As for what Jobs did there are too many to list, but for me the very first spreadsheet was created on an apple, and I still use them at work to this day.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2011, 7:46 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Jobs created a line of entertainment devices. No matter how cool they are, to compare the iPod and iPad to Edison's contributions is stretching things a bit. You can give him ensemble cast credit in personal computing, but IBM and Bill Gates and Michael Dell influenced this to a far greater extent, in my opinion. <br />That being said, I am typing this on a Mac plugged into an iPad and an iPod. I wish the Jobs family condolences as they mourn his passing.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Bill Gates as a hero, yes Dell no way, the only thing he revolutionized was JIT manufacturing for the PC, concept existing in other industries. Dell is fading just as fast as the PC era wanes, and will be long forgotten. Anyway Dell is just the hardware arm of MS anyway. <br /> <br />But I think you underestimate Jobs impact, your history is tooo short. When Apple was a introed it was at a time when most computers were only in large corporations and universities, and timesharing was at it height. Apple invented the P in Personal Computers as the most successful home computer. And did it again with LISA/MAC to change DOS computing into how we use Windowed GUI in ALL operating systems. It was the entire team at Apple that did these things but Jobs create an environment to allow these engineers to thrive and foster the unique designs as well as shape the direction. Sometimes in a bad direction, but mostly good. Otherwise the world may still be DOS based, with Greenscreens given the Pace at witch both DELL and MS innovate (or should I say copy) And yes even Apple copied but they innovated on the borrowed designs, not so with MS. Have you ever used DOS based windows, it sucked and MS Windows today sucks even more.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2011, 7:08 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Sad news!</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Jobs created a line of entertainment devices. No matter how cool they are, to compare the iPod and iPad to Edison's contributions is stretching things a bit. You can give him ensemble cast credit in personal computing, but IBM and Bill Gates and Michael Dell influenced this to a far greater extent, in my opinion. <br />That being said, I am typing this on a Mac plugged into an iPad and an iPod. I wish the Jobs family condolences as they mourn his passing.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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