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[quote="More2"][quote="guest31"][quote="more 2 the Story"][quote="guest 54321"]It's not the highway noise itself that is annoying to a lot of us. Many trucks now are merely huge heavy shipping containers on wheels - not permanently fastened to the truck chassis. When these type trucks hit pot holes, the noise of the container bouncing on the truck frame is like a sonic boom. The resurfacing of Route 130 will hopefully eliminate that noise to some extent[/quote] I agree. Certainly living near a highway some amount of noise is expected and tolerable. However, in addition to the issue raised above, there are other factors driving up the volume. There is no enforcement of the ordinance against engine braking. The turnpike construction has driven more traffic onto 130. The road hasn't been fixed since the '30s. And the warehouse development continues to expand. Meanwhile the local plan to minimize the impact of the warehouse traffic, a bypass designed to siphon trucks off of Rt 130, has been canceled due to costs and other political considerations.[/quote] The Liberty Way project has not been canceled so much as stalled indefinitely. Technically the Township can't cancel it since they have a legal obligation to build it. But they can delay as long as possible. Its not "political considerations" that have stalled it, just pure costs since it will be way north of $10M+ to do so now. I don't think any taxpayer, of any party in town, would like us to shoulder all that if we don't have to.[/quote] I had heard the Liberty Way story a little differently. That said, the primary point of the post was to list some of the factors that make Route 130 stand out as a source of noise, light and air pollution. The fact is, there are few places in town that are insulated from the threat of increasing road noise, light and air pollution. Almost everyone lives along Rt 130 and/or OTR. So IMO we are best off working together to address these quality of life concerns.[/quote]
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Posted: Sun, Oct 14 2012, 1:35 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
If those who bought houses next to the highway, knowing Rt. 130 was there, want a wall, they can pay for it. It might be possible to do this through assessments. There is no reason why our taxes should go up to build a wall. The same would hold true for any SHadow Oaks resident who wanted to hook up to sewer (if it ever became available); they would have to pay approximately $15,000 per household hopefully through assessments. They would not charge the expense to taxes.
As to fixing the spillway, it is not to benefit those on the lake but rather those who wish to get in and out of town. If it is not fixed, the road could collapse.
anon-8101
Posted: Thu, Oct 11 2012, 1:22 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
What is the process for having a wall built. Any help is appreciated.
Consider-it
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 8:00 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
guestsquared wrote:
perspective wrote:
About 25% of Cranbury residences are within 3 or 4 houses of the highway. From these houses, the highway is loud and clear. The value of these residences would increase if the highway were noise were to be minimized.
If a wall costs $1 million per mile, Cranbury would need to pony up about $2.5 million to build a wall, assuming no help from the county or state, other than permission to build in the right of way. That amount to about $1,000per household, or less than $100 per year for 20 years. Seems like an idea worth considering.
I don't live anywhere near Route 130. When I picked my house I didn't want to be near a highway which limited my options and forced me to live where I miss the benefits of walking to Main Street or having my kids able to walk to school. I also don't get the benefit of gas service, water service, sewer service or sidewalks, all of which would be nice. If you would like me to contribute to your wall to block out the highway that's been there for decades, I would like you and the rest of the Township to get those sidewalks and utility services to my street. I'll take responsibility for getting them from the street into my house. Fair? Otherwise why should I pay for your wall?
Undoubtedly, you enjoy some benefits that I pay for and vice versa. We also both pay for things that neither of us benefit from and we pay less for the services we do use than we would otherwise pay if we paid for them ourselves. Thus is the nature of taxes.
For example, I don't derive much benefit from the lake, yet I am not protesting spending millions of dollars to replace the dam. I consider it part of the common good.
The same is true of the library. Whether you agree with them or not, I believe there are enough interested people that it is a worthwhile topic. If the town votes to pay for it, then I will pay my share.
I think the wall is worthy of consideration because it will directly benefit a substantial number of Cranbury residents and have indirect benefits for the town at large.
Some of your ideas may also meet these same criteria. For example, the idea of having safe pedestrian paths throughout Cranbury is probably worthwhile of consideration, even though it may directly benefit a minority of residents.
Perhaps your pedestrian path idea and the wall idea will become part of a compromise plan to improve the residential infrastructure of Cranbury?
Flawd Logic
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 7:46 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
Problem wrote:
The problem with that logic though is that cost is in isolation. That argument is the same as the library.
So we build a wall and then the library crowd comes in and says it is only 2.5 mill or 100 per year for 20 yrs. Then you are at 200 a year excluding maintenance.
Then those by the turnpike come in and say it is only 100 per year. And now we're at 300 to make all the improvements. The list goes on and on so finally we're in major debt by making "small" purchases.
Your logic would be correct if all projects that were considered and proposed were automatically approved. However, that is not the case. Ultimately, if there is not enough support for a project it does not get approved.
Problem
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:59 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
The problem with that logic though is that cost is in isolation. That argument is the same as the library.
So we build a wall and then the library crowd comes in and says it is only 2.5 mill or 100 per year for 20 yrs. Then you are at 200 a year excluding maintenance.
Then those by the turnpike come in and say it is only 100 per year. And now we're at 300 to make all the improvements. The list goes on and on so finally we're in major debt by making "small" purchases.
a great great wall
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:56 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
So let's organize - a great great wall for Cranbury...
I think some of our TC members have the highway as a neighbor
guestsquared
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:04 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
perspective wrote:
About 25% of Cranbury residences are within 3 or 4 houses of the highway. From these houses, the highway is loud and clear. The value of these residences would increase if the highway were noise were to be minimized.
If a wall costs $1 million per mile, Cranbury would need to pony up about $2.5 million to build a wall, assuming no help from the county or state, other than permission to build in the right of way. That amount to about $1,000per household, or less than $100 per year for 20 years. Seems like an idea worth considering.
I don't live anywhere near Route 130. When I picked my house I didn't want to be near a highway which limited my options and forced me to live where I miss the benefits of walking to Main Street or having my kids able to walk to school. I also don't get the benefit of gas service, water service, sewer service or sidewalks, all of which would be nice. If you would like me to contribute to your wall to block out the highway that's been there for decades, I would like you and the rest of the Township to get those sidewalks and utility services to my street. I'll take responsibility for getting them from the street into my house. Fair? Otherwise why should I pay for your wall?
perspective
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:57 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
About 25% of Cranbury residences are within 3 or 4 houses of the highway. From these houses, the highway is loud and clear. The value of these residences would increase if the highway were noise were to be minimized.
If a wall costs $1 million per mile, Cranbury would need to pony up about $2.5 million to build a wall, assuming no help from the county or state, other than permission to build in the right of way. That amount to about $1,000per household, or less than $100 per year for 20 years. Seems like an idea worth considering.
Lesser of two evils
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:43 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
UGLY wrote:
This will never get approved. If it did, can you imagine how horrible a huge wall will look on 130 and in people's backyards. UGLY
You're right. I'm sure people prefer the sight of trucks whizzing by and the highway sounds a lot like the ocean if you use your imagination!
visiting
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:40 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
I think we should just build a bio-dome over Cranbury so we can shut out the rest of the world and live the way that the Town Founders did.
UGLY
Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 1:06 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
This will never get approved. If it did, can you imagine how horrible a huge wall will look on 130 and in people's backyards. UGLY
guestguest
Posted: Thu, Jan 5 2012, 8:47 am EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
Why Wait? wrote:
Good luck wrote:
The town gets minimal support and aid now from the county and state. The turnpike widening is going into people's back yards and we can't get a wall for them. So there is no way the state or county will pay for a wall and the town has too many expenses as is with the town losing money from tax appeals. This is not a good time.
True. But a project like this would take many years to come to fruition. If this is something we want, we should start working on it now.
Why not follow the library's example if it means so much to you? They realized that they did not have the support of the super majority of the TC or enough residents to get it funded by Cranbury and so are trying to raise the money from private donations. Put together an interest group of residents who live near enough to 130 to be bothered by the noise who support your wall idea. If it really is a majority of residents in town, you'll be able to drive the Township to act. If it is a minority, collectively fund it yourselves, just as residents in other parts of town have to fund their own projects like bringing sewer lines into their neighborhoods, etc. If you don't have the support of the majority of the Township voters, it shouldn't be paid for by public tax funds unless you want to start paying for all the sewers and sidewalks and other projects that would benefit a minority of Township taxpayers as well.
Why Wait?
Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 9:48 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
Good luck wrote:
The town gets minimal support and aid now from the county and state. The turnpike widening is going into people's back yards and we can't get a wall for them. So there is no way the state or county will pay for a wall and the town has too many expenses as is with the town losing money from tax appeals. This is not a good time.
True. But a project like this would take many years to come to fruition. If this is something we want, we should start working on it now.
Point
Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 7:34 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
Library wrote:
Nike wrote:
Bridge wrote:
I think we need the liberty way bridge to help with the increase in warehouse traffic before we build a wall or library
I think we need to do something to address the increasing noise, light and air pollution caused by traffic along Rt. 130. For many residents, I suspects this issue is one of Cranbury's leading quality of life concerns.
A $5 million wall is less than a $12 million bridge and would have a greater positive impact on noise light and air pollution. However, either would help.
A library would be far less than the $5 million for a wall or $12 million for a bridge.
And if we stopped funding the library we could easily afford a wall or a bridge... But that is not the point.
Good luck
Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 3:26 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
The town gets minimal support and aid now from the county and state. The turnpike widening is going into people's back yards and we can't get a wall for them. So there is no way the state or county will pay for a wall and the town has too many expenses as is with the town losing money from tax appeals. This is not a good time.
build a great wall
Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 2:41 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced
Then how do we get whoever owns the right of way (state/county) to begin looking into building a wall. Forget about a bridge - we already keep traffic out of our town through traffic restrictions.
When much of the housing was built along 130, there was not even an exit at 8A. 15 years ago the traffic was minimal - as was the noise. Traffic and traffic patterns and types have changed. 130 is no longer a minor road