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[quote="nonsense oh boy"]just blame the pensioners as usual - not the officials we elected to properly fund these pensions while state and local employed these people[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guest13</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 8:48 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>An Independent wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The posts are dumb, not smart. The ones that turn the proposal of a 10% tax cut over 3 years to some self-serving political rhetoric is dumb, dumb, dumb. <br /> The NJEA leadership and some media lines are being parroted by some posters to make their dumb points. <br /> Too bad the the Cranbury Twp Committee folks don't get the tax cut message!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Independent, perhaps read more carefully. I referenced "post" singular not "posts." Not sure what you are talking about. The "post" I was replying to was not particularly "political" as it indicated that both parties had contributed to our debt problem and that we all have to deal with the consequences. So unless you consider acknowledging that we have massive short falls in State funding to the pension funds, which is a statement of fact, political or you absolutely deny that the state has a large debt problem, that post was not "some media NJEA leadership and medial lines" being "parroted to make their dumb points."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Oh Boy</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 11:54 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>An Independent wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The posts are dumb, not smart. The ones that turn the proposal of a 10% tax cut over 3 years to some self-serving political rhetoric is dumb, dumb, dumb. <br /> The NJEA leadership and some media lines are being parroted by some posters to make their dumb points. <br /> Too bad the the Cranbury Twp Committee folks don't get the tax cut message!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Since you in no way address the issue that we are bringing up, I can only assume your purpose is to start a flame war. Sorry, I won't play. <br />Bye Bye</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>An Independent</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 11:31 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The posts are dumb, not smart. The ones that turn the proposal of a 10% tax cut over 3 years to some self-serving political rhetoric is dumb, dumb, dumb. <br /> The NJEA leadership and some media lines are being parroted by some posters to make their dumb points. <br /> Too bad the the Cranbury Twp Committee folks don't get the tax cut message!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guest13</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 6:57 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>oh boy wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>nonsense oh boy wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">just blame the pensioners as usual - not the officials we elected to properly fund these pensions while state and local employed these people</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I am not blaming the pensioners. The fact is the pension system will take the state under in less than a decade. We have argued about whose fault it was until we are all blue in the face. Whitman quit making payments. Mcgreevey and Corzine kicked the can down the road. Much to everyone's chagrin, it appears Christie has also chosen to ignore the problem. <br /> <br />We can both agree politicians of both parties have mishandled the pension. The reality is since nobody has had the guts to fix the problem by the end of this decade the state will be forced to lay off a large percentage of its workforce(that should piss off the democrats), and have a massive tax increase(which will piss off everyone). <br /> <br />Feel free to blame whomever you wish but the system in now 54 million in deficit. It was 40 million when Christie came into office. He has villified teachers made public workers unions angry, but not addressed this deficit. <br /> <br />That is the problem. I blame no one and I blame everyone. This will bankrupt the state.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks for an actual smart post on this forum. You're right on multiple levels -- 1) that both parties have caused and expanded this problem for years and never is even less to blame -- everyone has been happy to let the debt build to avoid short term pain, 2) that Christie is all-talk on it, but so far doing absolutely nothing substantive to even slow let alone stop the problem. Just like he made a big show of reducing property taxes but then put 100% of the burden on local Townships while the percent of state mandates to total budget keeps going up; 3) Regardless of whose fault it is, we have a huge problem and ignoring it now will only make it even more painful later. <br /> <br />Anyone who makes this political or tries to just talk it away by focusing on the pain of cuts is either cynical or ignorant about the long term result of ignoring our State debt and deliberate under-funding of State obligations.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>oh boy</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 6:40 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>guest3 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am neither. An argument loses credibility when it contains silly broad-brush comments like the governor villifies teachers. Prove the point, and I will accept it. Spewing the union leaderships propaganda does not cut it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I am fine with having it your way. Christie luvs his widdow teachers. He wants to tuck them in at night and give them candy. However, he feels about them the state will still go under due to the 54 billion unfunded pension commitment. On this subject he has done nothing of substance. <br /> <br />My point is this, while you are having a pissing match over semantics, or how does the governor feel about teachers. The state will go under. Get your head out of the sand and focus on the real issue. I honestly don't care how he feels about teachers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guest3</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 6:32 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am neither. An argument loses credibility when it contains silly broad-brush comments like the governor villifies teachers. Prove the point, and I will accept it. Spewing the union leaderships propaganda does not cut it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>oh boy</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 4:27 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Rhetoric wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Villified teachers? <br /> <br />It is easy to adopt the rhetoric of the union leadership that "represents" its teachers. But hardly credible.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I love this forum. The left complains I attack pensioners, the right is worried that I attack Christie by saying he villifies teachers. Neither side seems willing to comment on the problem, the pension shortfall will take down the state. The right and left are worried about their own petty issues. They either don't care or don't understand the real problem that the state faces.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rhetoric</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 2:48 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Villified teachers? <br /> <br />It is easy to adopt the rhetoric of the union leadership that "represents" its teachers. But hardly credible.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>oh boy</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 12:32 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>nonsense oh boy wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">just blame the pensioners as usual - not the officials we elected to properly fund these pensions while state and local employed these people</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I am not blaming the pensioners. The fact is the pension system will take the state under in less than a decade. We have argued about whose fault it was until we are all blue in the face. Whitman quit making payments. Mcgreevey and Corzine kicked the can down the road. Much to everyone's chagrin, it appears Christie has also chosen to ignore the problem. <br /> <br />We can both agree politicians of both parties have mishandled the pension. The reality is since nobody has had the guts to fix the problem by the end of this decade the state will be forced to lay off a large percentage of its workforce(that should piss off the democrats), and have a massive tax increase(which will piss off everyone). <br /> <br />Feel free to blame whomever you wish but the system in now 54 million in deficit. It was 40 million when Christie came into office. He has villified teachers made public workers unions angry, but not addressed this deficit. <br /> <br />That is the problem. I blame no one and I blame everyone. This will bankrupt the state.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>nonsense oh boy</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2012, 11:32 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">just blame the pensioners as usual - not the officials we elected to properly fund these pensions while state and local employed these people</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>oh boy</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2012, 11:14 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Meanwhile the pension system will bankrupt the state by 2016. Oh yeah by then he will be out of office. Next guys problem.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guestpass</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2012, 10:05 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Empty promise. He knows there's no way he'll get it and he didn't even bother trying to detail where it would come from. But this way he looks like the hero when it doesn't happen.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2012, 9:59 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thank god! Ooops, am I allowed to say that?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Tax cuts are good</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2012, 7:42 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>budget buster wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/nyregion/christie-in-state-of-the-state-speech-calls-for-income-tax-cut.html?hp</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I will take 10% of my money back anytime</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>budget buster</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 10:24 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Christie Proposes a radical 10% Cut in New Jersey’s Income Tax</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/nyregion/christie-in-state-of-the-state-speech-calls-for-income-tax-cut.html?hp" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/nyregion/christie-in-state-of-the-state-speech-calls-for-income-tax-cut.html?hp</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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