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[quote="anon-0240"][quote="anon-s6p5"]Agree. There were a number of TC mtgs and the notes reflect it. Tap into did a story on it as well. It doesn't appear anything major is changed. Fast Food and such are not allowed to come in. If people don't read the agenda, news or notes you can't blame the TC.[/quote] How exactly is a "drive thru cafe" different than a fast food restaurant?[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-88r5</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Oct 14 2016, 7:27 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The TC is adopting the changes at their next meeting so if people really care about zoning changes not being allowed that is the time to comment.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-2r86</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 10:46 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Build it already, I'm thirsty</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 4:29 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The waiver was for the design of the light pole bases, not the lighting itself.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-q2q6</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 10:38 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">From the Zoning Board minutes... <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />"The discussion referring to the lighting would require a waiver, bases according to the standards, there would be no glare and only on during hours of operation. However, the applicant reserved the right to be open 24-hours if wanted."</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It appears the Dunkin Donuts qualified for a waiver for lighting, which fortunately will only have an impact during hours of operation... <br />...which could be up to 24 hours per day.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-s6p5</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 5:42 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well. It was all published on an agenda, heard by the zoning board, approved by the zoning board and no one showed up opposing. Further a member of the zoning board lives in the Estates. <br /> <br />You can't say no one in the Estates knew the few people I know who live there all said they are fine with it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-01s7</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 8:51 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">There are no residents in the estates that like the idea of a Dunkin' Donuts. Whoever posted that is a liar.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4r17</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2016, 5:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">There is a town email system letting people know when agendas and minutes are posted. It's an easy sign up.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0o99</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2016, 4:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-54r5 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Well, Dunkin Donuts was discussed here, it was put on the agenda, and no one showed up. You can't say it was because people did not know or ignored it. A 7-11 never even got past the Development Review Committee before enough residents showed up and stopped it. <br /> <br />For years there was a run down diner on the triangle and an active truck stop. <br /> <br />You can't force a property to stay abandoned. Besides, the residents I've spoken with in the estates all seem to like the idea of coffee and donuts being right there.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I live in the estates and it's the first I've heard about it -- talked to a few neighbors -- I guess I don mind as long as it's not open really early in the morning or late at night</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-88r5</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2016, 10:32 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The TC and PB took no leverage away from the Zoning Board as it pertains to the Dunkin Donuts. <br /> <br />The ZB approved the Dunkin Donuts and granted a variance before the changes were made to the Master Plan. <br /> <br />All the TC and Planning Board did was revise the Master Plan based on the Zoning Board's actions. And as was noted there was no public opposition to the application so raising it now and blaming the TC and PB is non-sensical. <br /> <br />Besides, at the time of adoption of the Master Plan it was stated that the business element was going to be under refinement. <br /> <br />Here are the meeting notes for the Dunkin Donuts application from the Zoning Board: <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.cranburytownship.org/zb_agendas/2016/zb-minutes-082416.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cranburytownship.org/zb_agendas/2016/zb-minutes-082416.pdf</a> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.cranburytownship.org/zb_agendas/2016/zb-minutes-061516.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cranburytownship.org/zb_agendas/2016/zb-minutes-061516.pdf</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-8889</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2016, 8:20 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-54r5 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />The purpose of the zoning board is to consider applications that fall outside of Master Plan elements.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes. Thats the point. If you change the master plan you take away the leverage of the township (zoning board). <br /> <br />Heres an example... <br /> <br />Dunkin Donuts wants a drive through. The Master Plan does not allow for it. Dunkin Donuts requests a variance. The zoning board approves the variance provided Dunkin Donuts agrees to limit operating hours and to use one of the building designs Dunkin Donuts uses in nicer communities, like Cranbury. <br /> <br />Or <br /> <br />Dunkin Donuts wants a drive through. The township re-writes the master plan over the summer to allow for a drive through without a variance. The township asks Dunkin Donuts to limit hours and use a pleasant building design. Dunkin Donuts tells the township to pound sand.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-54r5</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Sep 29 2016, 9:15 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">When no one goes to a meeting despite all the notice and discussion there really isn't a point to complain. <br /> <br />The purpose of the zoning board is to consider applications that fall outside of Master Plan elements. No one came and complained to the meeting. In fact, the opposite was true based on what I hear in town.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon:oqs3-054q</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Sep 29 2016, 8:31 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Oh yes we "Should" be able to TRUST our boards and committees to follow the Master Plan, but there are some of those folks who make their own rules depending on the applicant and what suits their needs of the moment. Rateables are nice; but not at any cost. Someday the voters will realize that a change of leadership is due in order to change the powers that be, along with their appointed board favorites that vote as they are told.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-086p</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Sep 29 2016, 7:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Dunkin Donuts went before the zoning board before this change was made. <br /> <br />The Master Plan was also adopted knowing that the business issues on 130 would need clarification. There were multiple hearings on this change.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4638</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Sep 29 2016, 5:41 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-54r5 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Well, Dunkin Donuts was discussed here, it was put on the agenda, and no one showed up. You can't say it was because people did not know or ignored it. A 7-11 never even got past the Development Review Committee before enough residents showed up and stopped it. <br /> <br />For years there was a run down diner on the triangle and an active truck stop. <br /> <br />You can't force a property to stay abandoned. Besides, the residents I've spoken with in the estates all seem to like the idea of coffee and donuts being right there.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That's all fine and good. I agree that before you complain online you should attend the meetings and follow the process. However, I attended a bunch of meetings about the master plan, along with a lot of other people. The plan was supposed to be good for 10 years and it specifically did not allow for stuff like this without requiring variances (which gives the town leverage). Now, just a few years into the plan, a few people decide to rewrite the plan specifically for this project because someone is dangling donut money in front of us. That's not how a master plan is supposed to work. We should be able to trust that our boards and committees will follow the master plan and not look to change it every couple of years to accommodate one-off requests.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-54r5</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Sep 28 2016, 7:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well, Dunkin Donuts was discussed here, it was put on the agenda, and no one showed up. You can't say it was because people did not know or ignored it. A 7-11 never even got past the Development Review Committee before enough residents showed up and stopped it. <br /> <br />For years there was a run down diner on the triangle and an active truck stop. <br /> <br />You can't force a property to stay abandoned. Besides, the residents I've spoken with in the estates all seem to like the idea of coffee and donuts being right there.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-sp36</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Sep 28 2016, 4:42 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Amendment to the Master Plan for Cranbury Township</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It will be a burden for those who live in the estates. Noise, light pollution, etc.. Eventually will attempt to keep it open 24-7 like his other route 130 stores.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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