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[quote="James"]The building can be renovated inside, but as it is in the historical district and visible on all sides it cannot change in outward appearance according to our HPAC guidelines. Therefore if it were modified for COAH purposes, we'd have at least 1 mill to buy the property and then likely at a minimum another million to renovate and make it habitable. At best, I imagine they'd get 2 or 3 units. I am not sure that at that cost there is COAH value. Since the building cannot come down or be changed from street view it doesn't make sense as a COAH property. That is also why it is safe for business. I do understand a few companies have looked at the property and decided against it because of renovation costs. I also understand that PNC is willing to remove the restriction and sell it to a financial institution.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 10:46 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">All you needed to see was her comments in the Press after the first vote. It should not be surprising that she was annoyed with the outcome from Monday's meeting. Maybe she felt that the town needs it. Or perhaps she just likes developing town services since the ballfield was also her project.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If she "thinks the town needs it" then let her pay for it. The TC should not be the personal slush fund for the members to pursue projects that do not have the demonstrated support of the majority of residents, with a clear understanding of the cost impact to the township. <br /> <br />I think she approved the ballpark because that was STout's personal pet project and she is his loyal ally. Find any example where they have not voted the same. Perhaps she is annoyed now because Stout managed to get his pet project in under the radar but hers is getting defeated in the light of day. The quid pro quo didn't work out the way she had hoped.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 7:55 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">All you needed to see was her comments in the Press after the first vote. It should not be surprising that she was annoyed with the outcome from Monday's meeting. Maybe she felt that the town needs it. Or perhaps she just likes developing town services since the ballfield was also her project.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 7:46 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">don't spread rumors unless you have data. Pari works in the arts running a gallery somewhere- I believe thats correct. That I got 2nd hand so not 100% about it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What does her profession have to do about it one way or the other? The question was about whether the Library was her pet project which it might be even if that's not related to her career. It is well known that everything the Stout Three pursue is a pet project of one of the three of them or their friends.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 10:32 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">don't spread rumors unless you have data. Pari works in the arts running a gallery somewhere- I believe thats correct. That I got 2nd hand so not 100% about it.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I was asking questions. I hope that does not equate to spreading rumors, right? <br /> <br />I am curious as to why she was annoyed about stopping the PNC discussion. <br /> <br />I will be annoyed if my parents don't want to discuss with me about the nice sports car I want to buy.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 10:23 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">don't spread rumors unless you have data. Pari works in the arts running a gallery somewhere- I believe thats correct. That I got 2nd hand so not 100% about it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Pari's pet?</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 10:14 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">What I found interesting was that Pari was clearly annoyed not to have further discussion and that the audience was almost all opponents. I did not see many (or really any) of the people who were in charge of the petition in the audience. If you go through the time to get the press on your side and conduct the signature gathering, then why wouldn't you show up at the meeting? Clearly, they knew there was no shot.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Is PNC Pari's pet project? Why is she so interested in using tax dollars to buy this site? Does she own an interest in a store nearby?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 7:01 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What I found interesting was that Pari was clearly annoyed not to have further discussion and that the audience was almost all opponents. I did not see many (or really any) of the people who were in charge of the petition in the audience. If you go through the time to get the press on your side and conduct the signature gathering, then why wouldn't you show up at the meeting? Clearly, they knew there was no shot.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 12:56 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: PNC purchase discussion is NOT going back on the table</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Tom Panconi and Wayne Witman firmly stood by their decisions not to have further discussions concerning purchasing the PNC Bank. This is due to the current economic conditions that will be facing Cranbury especially concerning COAH.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jul 14 2008, 10:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Any news about the meeting? Thanks.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 13 2008, 8:04 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">True and then what would all those people who want to buy it for the parking say? There are too many problems. <br /> <br />If the petition is to examine the purchase, then I think it also has to designate a purpose. It can't be a this, that or the other thing.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jul 13 2008, 12:33 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Although the PNC building is probably safe, the PNC parking lot (and the water tower property) would make an easy target for an affordable housing development. They could turn the bank building into a senior center and the parking lot into another "senior village" (affordable housing). Please note, I am simply pointing out the possibility of unintended consequences, not endorsing this plan of action.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 11:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well, the only way to guarantee that the PNC Bank is not used for COAH homes would be for the township NOT to purchase this property.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 7:19 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The building can be renovated inside, but as it is in the historical district and visible on all sides it cannot change in outward appearance according to our HPAC guidelines. Therefore if it were modified for COAH purposes, we'd have at least 1 mill to buy the property and then likely at a minimum another million to renovate and make it habitable. At best, I imagine they'd get 2 or 3 units. I am not sure that at that cost there is COAH value. Since the building cannot come down or be changed from street view it doesn't make sense as a COAH property. <br /> <br />That is also why it is safe for business. I do understand a few companies have looked at the property and decided against it because of renovation costs. I also understand that PNC is willing to remove the restriction and sell it to a financial institution.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 6:54 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I dont want the PNC property used for COAH, would that be even possible? Since its a historic building I dont think its even possible. But IT IS disappointing that there is 50 cranbury residents that dont have something better to worry about, then PNC.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Anyone purchasing the property will be able to renovate the historical building, so it is possible that the town could use it for COAH. It would make perfect sense since the state of NJ is saying we do not have sufficient housing for the low/moderate income household. COAH is our biggest financial obligation to date.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 1:17 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It was announced in the special TC meeting last Monday that the public comment/information meeting would be on July 28. Has that changed to the 14th? How will the township be informed - no time to put it into the paper, etc.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 12 2008, 12:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING AGENDA JULY 14, 2008 7:30 P.M (ALERT PNC PETITION</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I dont want the PNC property used for COAH, would that be even possible? Since its a historic building I dont think its even possible. But IT IS disappointing that there is 50 cranbury residents that dont have something better to worry about, then PNC.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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