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[quote="Guest"]Not saying it is any type of plot. I would just like to get an honest answer and straight forward answer. It seems even Mr. Taylor was not even getting a straight answer based on his comments and as a TC member he should be told about the situation.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:51 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I really believe win's election had nothing to do with Stout Stave or Stannard.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I agree -- Win and Dave won more because they have been in town, involved and lots of folks know them socially as well as politically. The partisan thing has little to do with it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:24 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The TC always (rigidly) aligned themselves with Pari Stave, and not the other way around. It's really about time all of them left.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 5:51 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I really believe win's election had nothing to do with Stout Stave or Stannard.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />My vote for Win was the first time I had voted Republican in my life. And while I voted for the positions Win campaigned on and my read of his integrity, all of which has so far borne out, I definitely was inspired to cross party lines out of the disappointment I had for the way those three were demeaning their offices and making me ashamed, on a local level and along with state officials, of my party. I am still a proud Democrat but it took Stout, Stannard, Greenstein and DeAngelo (I never really took issue with Stave beyond the fact that she insisted on rigidly aligning herself with the other two in every vote and action) to finally inspire me to vote outside my party. And for that, I guess, I thank them, since its made me a more responsible voter in any event. And I know others who would stay the same, Democrats who voted for Win because of their disappointment with our local Township Committee members and the public association the Democrat candidate, Jon Ritter, made with them.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 5:35 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I really believe win's election had nothing to do with Stout Stave or Stannard.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 4:59 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">So who would be good candidates to run for vacating TC positions? If you are displeased with recent governance, it is a good opportunity to identify folks that are more in line with what you hold near and dear in terms of local issues.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You miss the point entirely. It's not about what anyone holds near and deal, just not being so rigidly political. I think many people are pleased with the balanced results of the last couple elections with new blood from each political party. Hopefully those committee members take to heart being their own people and not feeling like they have to always vote as blocks or defer to state politicians.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />+1 This is excellent. We need to remind people that this is about Cranbury, not politics.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 4:07 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">So who would be good candidates to run for vacating TC positions? If you are displeased with recent governance, it is a good opportunity to identify folks that are more in line with what you hold near and dear in terms of local issues.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You miss the point entirely. It's not about what anyone holds near and deal, just not being so rigidly political. I think many people are pleased with the balanced results of the last couple elections with new blood from each political party. Hopefully those committee members take to heart being their own people and not feeling like they have to always vote as blocks or defer to state politicians.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 3:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are in denial if you perceive that the Stout, Stave, Stannard majority had no backlash and that it’s all reflected by a few people on this website. Mr. Cody was elected over a Democrat in the same election where the Township’s electorate helped elect Barack Obama and two Democrat State Legislatures. Two of the last three people elected were Republicans. More of the local electorate are Democrats. People are crossing party lines to vote for new people not associated with the previous group. I personally know numerous local Democrats who did this and most have never been to this site.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 2:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Sorry to be so argumentative. But seriously, I don't see the mess. As I said Stout is rude. As for partisanship, it has been this partisan before, both ways. <br /> <br />The new group will come in, I wish them well. In the last twenty years we have never had a group with less collective experience. They have a lot too learn in very little time. <br /> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I don't remember it ever being this partisan in town. I don't see it being that partisan this year compared to last year. I don't think it will ever be this partisan again in town. If a Rep. was mayor a Dem always sat on the PB unless they declined to do it which has happened.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 1:47 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">So who would be good candidates to run for vacating TC positions? If you are displeased with recent governance, it is a good opportunity to identify folks that are more in line with what you hold near and dear in terms of local issues.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 11:21 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sorry to be so argumentative. But seriously, I don't see the mess. As I said Stout is rude. As for partisanship, it has been this partisan before, both ways. <br /> <br />The new group will come in, I wish them well. In the last twenty years we have never had a group with less collective experience. They have a lot too learn in very little time. <br /> <br />As for a backlash. The backlash is 4 guys who regularly post on this board. Hardly a movement.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:40 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Every wonderful thing you said about Taylor and Cooke is true of Stave. <br /> <br />There was a previous comment about "cleaning up this mess". <br /> <br />Sorry don't see it as a mess. Some decisions we may not like, but mess no. I don't see any configured TC doing much about Old Trenton Road. This would include the dearly departed last Republican majority of Danser, Mayes and Hasselback. <br /> <br />The main problem with the current TC is Stannard is burned out and Stout, while a bright enough guy is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. I actually think that is a pretty damning statement about Stout, but it does not leave a mess to be cleaned up. <br /> <br />I think you will find little difference in the future TC other than possibly tone. <br /> <br />One last thing the constant praising of your particular favorite guy on the TC is embarassing. If he successfully blows his nose we don't have to give him a gold star. <br /> <br />PS I am actually glad they are widening Old Trenton Road.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />My first post on this topic and I think its too early to form conclusions on the new people, though I believe in always starting with the benefit of the doubt until people prove otherwise. <br /> <br />But I definitely disagree with your conclusion that there is no "mess" with the outgoing TC people. As a resident, it has been very discouraging the watch the way that Stave, Stout and Stannard collectivity politicized the TC ahead of the interests of the residents of the Township. I personally don’t believe in partisan politics (and, for what it’s worth am a registered member of the same party as the three of them), but I particularly don’t see a place for it in small town governing. I have friends in both parties and respect for the new TC members from both parties. Mr. Cook, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Cody all get the same respect and presumption of support from me unless or until their actions dictate otherwise. And I hope they embrace a spirit of bipartisanship on issues and appointee selections. <br /> <br />The fact that Stave, Stannard and Stout always voted as a block, always attempted to freeze out the people not part of their block (including Tom Panconi who initially was originally in the same party but didn’t tow the line and always vote as told to), the fact that Mr. Stout openly refused to consider anyone not of his party for any Township Board or appointed position, the fact that each of them openly praised Linda Greenstein even as she consistently failed to deliver anything for Cranbury and often directly voted against our interests or cowardly abstained, while dismissing Bill Baroni who consistently voted in our interests, says to me that these people were representing their own personal interests above that of the residents of the Township. Regardless of the specifics of the library, ballfield, etc., this entire philosophy was a “mess” and I am hopeful the new blood will not follow their terrible example and legacy. I would rather have a TC full of newbies with strong ethics and good intentions than a group of experienced people whose main focus is party politics. <br /> <br />The one good thing that came out of their tenure of politics and personal interests is it energized something of a bipartisan backlash with at least some portion of the community, enough to make a difference. A silver lining in every cloud. I sincerely hope that Stout, Stannard (who is moving back to CT) and Stave enjoy their local political retirement. But I won’t miss their contributions to our Township governance.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 9:03 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Every wonderful thing you said about Taylor and Cooke is true of Stave. <br /> <br />There was a previous comment about "cleaning up this mess". <br /> <br />Sorry don't see it as a mess. Some decisions we may not like, but mess no. I don't see any configured TC doing much about Old Trenton Road. This would include the dearly departed last Republican majority of Danser, Mayes and Hasselback. <br /> <br />The main problem with the current TC is Stannard is burned out and Stout, while a bright enough guy is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. I actually think that is a pretty damning statement about Stout, but it does not leave a mess to be cleaned up. <br /> <br />I think you will find little difference in the future TC other than possibly tone. <br /> <br />One last thing the constant praising of your particular favorite guy on the TC is embarassing. If he successfully blows his nose we don't have to give him a gold star. <br /> <br />PS I am actually glad they are widening Old Trenton Road.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Who is praising anyone specifically? We are all saying Mr. Cook, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Cody are doing well. I think they should get kudos because they represent different parties and work well together. They set a good example for future TC's. I don't see anyone praising anyone of them individually which to me is very positive. Wouldn't it be great if we had 5 people where we could say the whole TC is doing great working together? <br /> <br />Yes, you could have said the same of Ms. Stave, but unfortunately I don't think Ms. Stave was independent. <br /> <br />I don't see a mess either that needs to be cleaned up. I do see a refining in how residents views are heard, but that is already happening.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 8:51 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Every wonderful thing you said about Taylor and Cooke is true of Stave. <br /> <br />There was a previous comment about "cleaning up this mess". <br /> <br />Sorry don't see it as a mess. Some decisions we may not like, but mess no. I don't see any configured TC doing much about Old Trenton Road. This would include the dearly departed last Republican majority of Danser, Mayes and Hasselback. <br /> <br />The main problem with the current TC is Stannard is burned out and Stout, while a bright enough guy is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. I actually think that is a pretty damning statement about Stout, but it does not leave a mess to be cleaned up. <br /> <br />I think you will find little difference in the future TC other than possibly tone. <br /> <br />One last thing the constant praising of your particular favorite guy on the TC is embarassing. If he successfully blows his nose we don't have to give him a gold star. <br /> <br />PS I am actually glad they are widening Old Trenton Road.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 7:16 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated. <br /> <br />We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work. <br /> <br />Be careful what you wish for indeed.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You're overlooking key information. <br /> <br />1) Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor grew up in Cranbury they are well connected with every department in town and know people in town probably more people than most residents posting here do. So they understand the town issues better than most people I would say. <br /> <br />2) They also know the history of the TC, PB, and ZB actions so they can use this history. That is something that the TC's did not do in the past 5-10 years- the West Property is a prime example. <br /> <br />3) If you have attended the township meetings you would see the most detailed, lengthy and knowledgeable reports are delivered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor showing they are full steam into their responsibilities. <br /> <br />4) How did the relationships the long term TC have at the county level help us on OTR? They say the county never told them of the widening, is that a good relationship? How about all the concrete by Main St. that the county dumped and refuses to remove is that a good relationship? <br /> <br />5) 90% of what the TC does is town business independent of the state or county and these officials are elected too so they may be out next term. However, Mr. Cook is apparently good friends with Linda and I know Mr. Cody and Mr. Taylor were good friends with Bill Baroni. I assume they will become so with Mr. Goodwin who is also new.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />One more point, Mr. Taylor's father was on the TC in the early 90's I believe. I am sure he, Mr. Cody and Mr. Cook can have access to Mr. Taylor Sr. as well as other former TC members to provide guidance where needed.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 7:11 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated. <br /> <br />We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work. <br /> <br />Be careful what you wish for indeed.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You're overlooking key information. <br /> <br />1) Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor grew up in Cranbury they are well connected with every department in town and know people in town probably more people than most residents posting here do. So they understand the town issues better than most people I would say. <br /> <br />2) They also know the history of the TC, PB, and ZB actions so they can use this history. That is something that the TC's did not do in the past 5-10 years- the West Property is a prime example. <br /> <br />3) If you have attended the township meetings you would see the most detailed, lengthy and knowledgeable reports are delivered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor showing they are full steam into their responsibilities. <br /> <br />4) How did the relationships the long term TC have at the county level help us on OTR? They say the county never told them of the widening, is that a good relationship? How about all the concrete by Main St. that the county dumped and refuses to remove is that a good relationship? <br /> <br />5) 90% of what the TC does is town business independent of the state or county and these officials are elected too so they may be out next term. However, Mr. Cook is apparently good friends with Linda and I know Mr. Cody and Mr. Taylor were good friends with Bill Baroni. I assume they will become so with Mr. Goodwin who is also new.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 12:19 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated. <br /> <br />We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work. <br /> <br />Be careful what you wish for indeed.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />So we will then be begging for the old members of the township committee? They were all "New" at one point also.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />not all at the same time.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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