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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 7:18 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I can assure you as a board member the Historical Society does not need to approve projects for the Township. Only those that are being done for the Historical Society need to be approved by the Society. If someone wants to put in a garden or path in the Township the Society does not get involved.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 6:29 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">All Eagle Scout projects on township property must be approved by the township and presented to the Historical Society prior to commencing. As such, the town is aware of the project and must maintain it after it is complete.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What does the historical society have to do with Scout projects?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 4:10 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">All Eagle Scout projects on township property must be approved by the township and presented to the Historical Society prior to commencing. As such, the town is aware of the project and must maintain it after it is complete.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Ok. Then the Township isn't doing its job. Who's responsible for maintaining the trails in the Preserve?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 4:00 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">All Eagle Scout projects on township property must be approved by the township and presented to the Historical Society prior to commencing. As such, the town is aware of the project and must maintain it after it is complete.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 3:43 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Once an Eagle Scout project is done on town property, it is up to the town to maintain it. Sure scouts can do a good turn (as can anybody in the town for that matter) to clean up weeds, but it is town property.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />That makes total sense in theory. But I'm curious if this is coordinated with the Township? If not, how do we know when they have any intention of maintaining it? Otherwise these are destined to be short term benefits. Clearly the Township is not (yet) maintaining the Preserve paths.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 3:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Once an Eagle Scout project is done on town property, it is up to the town to maintain it. Sure scouts can do a good turn (as can anybody in the town for that matter) to clean up weeds, but it is town property.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 9:15 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Reclaiming the trail sounds like a great Boy Scout project.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Speaking of which, it would be nice if the scouts also did a refresh on the trail in the preserve next to the school. That was an Eagle Scoout project a few years ago and they did a great job, but lately its become overgrown in areas with tall grass and poison ivy and almost impassable with mud in other areas. We used to use it all the time but now between the exposure to the poison ivy, the constant ticks we end up with and the mud its become too much trouble.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 16 2010, 6:27 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Reclaiming the trail sounds like a great Boy Scout project.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 9:38 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">We have a right to go back there, marking it means I won't trespass on someone's property. The easements are already there. We should be encouraging people to hike and go outside not stopping them or discouraging them. Buy the home and know what you're buying.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 8:58 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The easements were in place at the time of the development. No one should be surprised.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 1:59 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Sorry, that last sentence is particularly laughable on several levels.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Just a TROLL, obviously. Someone with an agenda that is afraid to show their face because it would make their bias obvious. Best to ignore and not feed the Trolls.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 1:14 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Dan, <br /> <br />I did not keep the original statements, but I am the poster who asked the questions. <br /> <br />Thanks for the response. <br /> <br />On garbage we agree to disagree, yes the amount paid is calculated on the assessed value, but it's also a fixed cost to the town like parks, buildings, town cars, fire trucks, etc... A police car costs X and I'll pay more for that car cost than will my neighbor, but the police will respond to him and I equally. With garbage, we'll have the same vehicle (container) and have the same pick up etc... All residents will benefit equally. <br /> <br />The sewer was always a usage based, but in the past all residents even those without sewer were paying not just those on sewer. This was split out last year so that only sewered residents paid for sewer. We always paid a sewer usage charge. <br /> <br />Again, thanks for the update!! Much appreciated.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Dan Mulligan</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 12:56 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Thanks and just to clarify my notes are basically comments from the other members of the audience. I did however try to answer some of your questions below with my additional thoughts where needed.</span></span> <br /> <br />Dan, <br /> <br />Good notes and thanks. However, your post leads to some questions. <br /> <br />1) On Trash one container or multiple? If it is one day a week, but multiple containers then the number of days of collection does not matter. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">This is to be determiend by the Committee- however either way I feel we should all have at least the same capacity as we have now. For instance I currently have two day a week pick up here at my home. I would expect the new serivice to be two days a week as well as I do not want trash sitting for a week in my yard. With that I would be open to once a week as long as my capacity was still the same as twice a week and we could prove the cost savings to all residents. The bottom line is I am very open to further discussion on this issue</span></span> <br /> <br />2) What is the cost? I get it is in my taxes, but so is everything else. I don't have kids in school, but I pay more than my neighbor who has 3 kids. All of our expenses except sewer and water are in the tax base. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Again to be determined - This point was not made by me but by another member of the audience - however it is a fair point.</span></span> <br /> <br />I pay 17k (higher than average) and change in taxes, but if that means I am paying less than 600 a year I still benefit (I pay 160 a quarter). My neighbor pays about 120 a quarter. So if he's less than 480, he's still ahead and if he gets twice a week he's better off than today. If you know the average cost as per the average home assessment the calc is fairly simple to see if we benefit or lose. The end result may be that I am paying less than today and can still write it off on my taxes. Which means to me $$$. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Fair point the costs are not fully understood as of yet. The claim is a savings overall to your final bill vs today.</span></span> <br /> <br />Let's also not forget not every resident is on sewer, we all generate garbage. So not exactly a fair comparison. If there is one container of X size or two containers of X size then we all will have the same amount of garbage. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I disagree on this point as we just went through the exercise of reworking the sewer rates to usage based. Trash is currently usage based as we all pay for our own. On the other hand the trash would potentially be assessed as part of our taxes which moves trash from usage based to being based on what your home is valued at. Another point I was thinking through is what happens if the governors 2.5% cap is passed and our trash rates go up unexpectedly during our next contract with the trash haulers? Would that not lead to our having to cut other services if we can't raise our overall property taxes more then 2.5%? While I am not sure I believe we will need to discuss if this make sense if the 2.5% limit is imposed. Just trying to think ahead on this one. Not opposed just want to make sure we are thinking through all of the variables for now and in the future. Obviously if the 2.5% goes no where then its a non issue. <br /> <br />So overall the trash pickup is a good discussion and exercise for the town so we can once and for all look at all of our options and know what they are.</span> <br /></span> <br /> <br />3) On the easements. <br />- Do they exist today? <br />- Where does it lead? I get no where because it is over grown, but where does it lead to if it is winter or I cut my way through? Is it to a preserve or park type land <br />- If they exist and people do not know what's wrong with saying here they are? Or is this a case of I moved next to the Turnpike and now the town needs to do something about the noise? <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">The Easements have existed for years they open to the millstone river. The exercise discussed was clearly marking them. All comments I posted were from the neighbors in Shadow Oaks. </span></span> <br /> <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 12:26 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Dan, <br /> <br />Good notes and thanks. However, your post leads to some questions. <br /> <br />1) On Trash one container or multiple? If it is one day a week, but multiple containers then the number of days of collection does not matter. <br /> <br />2) What is the cost? I get it is in my taxes, but so is everything else. I don't have kids in school, but I pay more than my neighbor who has 3 kids. All of our expenses except sewer and water are in the tax base. <br /> <br />I pay 17k (higher than average) and change in taxes, but if that means I am paying less than 600 a year I still benefit (I pay 160 a quarter). My neighbor pays about 120 a quarter. So if he's less than 480, he's still ahead and if he gets twice a week he's better off than today. If you know the average cost as per the average home assessment the calc is fairly simple to see if we benefit or lose. The end result may be that I am paying less than today and can still write it off on my taxes. Which means to me $$$. <br /> <br />Let's also not forget not every resident is on sewer, we all generate garbage. So not exactly a fair comparison. If there is one container of X size or two containers of X size then we all will have the same amount of garbage. <br /> <br />3) On the easements. <br />- Do they exist today? <br />- Where does it lead? I get no where because it is over grown, but where does it lead to if it is winter or I cut my way through? Is it to a preserve or park type land <br />- If they exist and people do not know what's wrong with saying here they are? Or is this a case of I moved next to the Turnpike and now the town needs to do something about the noise?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Dan Mulligan</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 15 2010, 11:38 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The June 14, 2010 Township Committee meeting agenda</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hello here are my notes from last nights meeting... <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Township Committee Meeting 6/14/2009</span> <br /> <br />To start the evening off our first responders in Cranbury were honored for their years of service. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Affordable Housing</span> - <br />The s-1 bill looks good Cranbury if the 7.5 % of homes must be affordable language stays in the bill as we already exceed that number <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Trash moving to town contract and not individual home owners</span> <br /> <br />- The Committee discuss moving from individual trash service to the town negotiating one contract for all. The discussion centered on have a referendum in November. <br /> <br />Some questions of note raised were as follows <br /> <br />- What if home owners are in existing contracts that could be multi year with a trash service? <br /> <br />-The new town contracted trash pickup would be a tax assessed within your property taxes thus it is not use based and contradicts what was done recently with the sewers in town as they are use based and not a tax based on property value. As a result the more your home costs the more you pay for trash pickup and the less you pay for trash pickup if your home is lower priced <br /> <br />- Will this service if provided via contract by the town be once a week pickup pr twice? Many in town prefer one or the other <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Shadow Oaks Easements</span> <br /> <br />- The parks commission presented about wanting to mark easements between homes in shadow oaks as to define access to the Millstone. Specifically this is on Washington in shadow oaks. One idea was to mark the curbs with a symbol that represents the access points. Some issues raised by residents were safety <br /> <br />- that the trails were not really open as they are overgrown, so why are we really doing this?. <br /> <br />-Comments were made that things are fine the way they are. One person called them the easements to no where. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Reinhardt Property Acquisition</span> <br /> <br />- 60 acres - reached out for funding, however we have none but state or county should contribute to this in the end. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Cranbury Housing</span> <br />Rt 130 d to be presented to the planning board july 1st <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Four Seasons:</span> <br />Their is a December 2009 resolution that k Hovanian is in default of of bonds and needs to rectify a punch list or lose their bonds. The concern now is the bonds expire in August. The engineer did review and said - 68 trees deficient - a performance bond was already given back andnow working on maintenance bond with no escrow - <br /> <br />The tree issues are: <br /> <br />-The wrong trees were planted and died or are dying <br /> <br />- The hole is half the size of ball which casueses the trees to die <br /> <br />- Trees were planted in clay <br /> <br />- Wire was meshing left on the tree bulb</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jun 14 2010, 10:53 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: CHPS Barn</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sorry, that last sentence is particularly laughable on several levels.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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