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[quote="anon-8670"]If I remember correctly until the 90's no one complained when the library did not open until 3pm. No one wanted to be there with the kids running around.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-nn76</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2013, 9:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Actually great to see our finest out there. <br />Bump</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>PD</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2013, 10:24 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Every time there is a significant school event going on it is great to see the officers at the intersection or in the parking lot. Their presence is certainly a deterrent.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Good for the Goose-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Mar 15 2013, 8:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>dismiss-8p94 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />dismiss-8p94 wrote: <br />The weak point in school security is the library. Patrons… have relatively easy access to the whole school through the library. I think the school (compared to other schools) is secure... However, the library is a problem. Please comment. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />Do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? You keep repeating a theory you have but you don't support it with any actual evidence (statistics, specific past examples, etc.). Your theory is not self-evident so it needs support. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>What You Preach-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Mar 15 2013, 8:03 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> As for the "deterrent" effect, that only works if the assailant is picking a location randomly based on opportunity... If you look at the history of school shooting, the best deterrent is something Cranbury already is doing, which is to teach their students to not bully and to treat each other with respect, to identify behavior issues quickly and get involved and to have a staff treated with respect. That will do far more than guns.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />Do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? Your theory is not self-evident so it needs support…Please cite some evidence to back up your beliefs…We're open to the facts here. If you have some to share, please do so. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 11 2013, 7:23 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-0n08 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">When has this topic ever been "uncivil" in tone? There's been no name calling.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />True. No name calling. However, courtesy has taken a back seat at times.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0n08</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 11 2013, 2:39 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">When has this topic ever been "uncivil" in tone? There's been no name calling.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 11 2013, 11:58 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I find it fortunate that there is not more conclusive evidence because there would need to be a lot more shooting rampages in order for a conclusive body of evidence to be available. <br /> <br />I assume we can agree on that point. <br /> <br />I opened this debate because I feel it is important to consider whether it makes sense to post a police officer at Cranbury School. As I have continued to look into these events, I have found that the limited evidence that is available suggests to me that the killers tend to commit suicide when they feel the end of their rampage is near. From this, it appears to me that response time is a potentially critical factor. That is now my opinion. I shared with you some of the articles that lead to the basis of my opinion. You are certainly free to disagree and if you do, I am interested in hearing why. <br /> <br />If you have read my posts and you still feel like I have ignored specific questions, please respond with those questions and ill do my best to answer. <br /> <br />Either way, lets agree to return to a more civil tone. We are, after all, neighbors and we would probably be nicer to each other in person than we have been in this thread.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0n08</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 11 2013, 11:02 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Please identify which previous posters comments led you to believe they had a "hidden agenda" as you note. Most posters seem to have been very transparent in their positions. <br /> <br />I suspect the previous posters comment asking about your agenda comes from the fact that despite a reasonable tone in your words, you keep doing things like that. You ignore specific questions posed by the other posters, you imply the previous posters had agendas or didn't state specifics when they did etc. And you keep coming back to basing your point-of-view on your self-defined logic rather than facts. It's possible that police on campus could help, so therefore they would. It's impossible to disprove a negative, so anyone can make any claim with that kind of logic. <br /> <br />You started by posting the question as if you had no specific pre-set opinion but then when you got reasoned responses you disregarded their questions back to you and leapt to your conclusion that school security would help. So to now suggest you don't have an agenda is silly, because you've made it clear you have already made up your mind. In fact, I find it telling that you wrote: "Fortunately, there is not enough evidence to prove arguments on any side of this debate..." Why would you consider that "fortunate"? Wouldn't we all be better off if there was clear evidence one way or the other on whether armed security staff made our schools safer? Why would you say otherwise, unless that is your way of dismissing the questions other posters raised to you? In other words, you are taking comfort in the fact that it can't be definitely proven that school security would help to therefore perpetuate your belief it would without responding to the specific questions to the contrary. <br /> <br />And where did you get the notion this was a political debate? No one here was making it political. You raised a question and got considered responses that didn't do any political name calling or generalizing.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 11 2013, 10:56 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />Do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? You keep repeating a theory you have but you don't support it with any actual evidence (statistics, specific past examples, etc.). Your theory is not self-evident so it needs support.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Clearly you don't hold your posts to the same standards as you do mine. What evidence have you cited for your theories? What examples have you given? You dismiss Sandy Hook as an anomaly and the only other example you refer to is Columbine, where the on-site officer engaged the assailants and nearly thwarted the attack. You claim that the "best" way to prevent a rampage is to identify behavior problems early and get involved, but what evidence do you cite to support that theory?Apparently, the VA Tech shooter was identified early and provided with therapy all the way through middle and high school. It didn't work for him. <br /> <br />Please note, it is not that I necessarily disagree with your points. I disapprove of the obnoxious way you attempt to make them. As I have pointed out before, there are (fortunately) not enough examples to for either of us to be so firm in our conclusions. That is why I opened this as a topic for debate.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Mar 11 2013, 10:12 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-pp4o wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Is the question: how to have a safer school? <br />OR <br />Is this really a thinly veiled pro-gun stance?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actually, unlike some of the posters on this thread, I do not have a hidden agenda. To me, this thread is not about gun control, or the library, or liberal vs. conservative views. It is about whether a police officer at the school would make our enough safer to be worthwhile. <br /> <br />Fortunately, there is not enough evidence to prove arguments on any side of this debate, especially since most rampages end in suicide, making it very difficult to understand the killer's choices. That said, I hope you all find it a topic worthy of discussion. <br /> <br />Would a police officer at the school be a deterrent? It depends on the criminal and the crime. Of the nearly 30 shooting sprees I have referred to below, the targets were selected for a variety of reasons. In some cases it is reasonable to assume the presence of armed security did not or would not have altered the target. In others, we simply don't know. I would think a police officer may be more of a deterrent for kidnappers or perverts rather than rampaging shooters, particularly if the school is targeted by someone with a connection to the school. <br /> <br />Would a police officer save lives in the event of a rampage? Quite possibly. Response time seems to be critical in rampages because they happen so quickly. The police officer at Columbine appears to have saved lives and nearly brought the tragedy to an end far earlier. And he was one officer guarding a school campus significantly larger than the Cranbury School. <br /> <br /> <br /><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1337221/a-timeline-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us-since-columbine/?mobile=wt" target="_blank">http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1337221/a-timeline-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us-since-columbine/?mobile=wt</a> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html</a> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives" target="_blank">http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-97on</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Mar 10 2013, 8:59 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-6103 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Im not sure what additional evidence you are looking for, what point you are trying to make, or what "contrary evidence" you are referring to. I have suggested police at the school may be a deterrent in some cases and seems likely to reduce casualties in the event of a tragedy. <br /> <br /> There have been dozens of shooting rampages in the US in the last 20 years, typically at schools, malls, jobsites or houses of worship. Many of these shootings were premeditated. They end when the shooter kills himself before police arrive, or is killed or caught by police. <br /> <br />I don't know if armed security would have altered the targets selected by these madmen, but it seems the targets they chose were quite vulnerable. <br /> <br />If a shooter were to go on a rampage at our school, wouldn't we call in the police to bring about resolution? Wouldn't it stand to reason if police were already on site, resolution would come about more quickly? <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-6103 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I honestly don't know that there is any practical way to completely prevent an assailant from attacking the school. However, I believe the presence of a police officer is a deterrent for some criminals and from what I've read these shooting sprees typically end quickly when the shooter is faced with the police. That is why I think the topic is worth discussing. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Please cite some evidence to back up your beliefs. Or at least address the evidence to the contrary posted by others. You do neither. <br /> <br />Name other mass school shootings other than the recent CT one where the assailant was "some criminal" and not someone specifically related to the school as a current or former student, teacher or staff member or relative of one. Since you're speaking to deterring random criminals versus targeted attack it would be useful to see how big a problem that is. <br /> <br />And please name specific examples where the presence of armed armed guards or police ended a mass shooting quickly. <br /> <br />Thank you.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? You keep repeating a theory you have but you don't support it with any actual evidence (statistics, specific past examples, etc.). Your theory is not self-evident so it needs support. <br /> <br />The shooting have often ended when the police arrive in overwhelming force. But that's not the same as evidence that they are stopped any sooner when there is a limited police or armed security presence on-site at the time the shootings begin. There are numerous specific examples where such armed forces were present at mass shooting that still continued until the police arrived in a strong show of force. Some were listed above. Can you cite specific examples where no-site police or armed security definitively stopped or cut-short a school rampage?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Mar 10 2013, 6:41 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Im not sure what additional evidence you are looking for, what point you are trying to make, or what "contrary evidence" you are referring to. I have suggested police at the school may be a deterrent in some cases and seems likely to reduce casualties in the event of a tragedy. <br /> <br /> There have been dozens of shooting rampages in the US in the last 20 years, typically at schools, malls, jobsites or houses of worship. Many of these shootings were premeditated. They end when the shooter kills himself before police arrive, or is killed or caught by police. <br /> <br />I don't know if armed security would have altered the targets selected by these madmen, but it seems the targets they chose were quite vulnerable. <br /> <br />If a shooter were to go on a rampage at our school, wouldn't we call in the police to bring about resolution? Wouldn't it stand to reason if police were already on site, resolution would come about more quickly? <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-97on wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-6103 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I honestly don't know that there is any practical way to completely prevent an assailant from attacking the school. However, I believe the presence of a police officer is a deterrent for some criminals and from what I've read these shooting sprees typically end quickly when the shooter is faced with the police. That is why I think the topic is worth discussing. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Please cite some evidence to back up your beliefs. Or at least address the evidence to the contrary posted by others. You do neither. <br /> <br />Name other mass school shootings other than the recent CT one where the assailant was "some criminal" and not someone specifically related to the school as a current or former student, teacher or staff member or relative of one. Since you're speaking to deterring random criminals versus targeted attack it would be useful to see how big a problem that is. <br /> <br />And please name specific examples where the presence of armed armed guards or police ended a mass shooting quickly. <br /> <br />Thank you.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-97on</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Mar 10 2013, 4:45 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-6103 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I honestly don't know that there is any practical way to completely prevent an assailant from attacking the school. However, I believe the presence of a police officer is a deterrent for some criminals and from what I've read these shooting sprees typically end quickly when the shooter is faced with the police. That is why I think the topic is worth discussing. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Please cite some evidence to back up your beliefs. Or at least address the evidence to the contrary posted by others. You do neither. <br /> <br />Name other mass school shootings other than the recent CT one where the assailant was "some criminal" and not someone specifically related to the school as a current or former student, teacher or staff member or relative of one. Since you're speaking to deterring random criminals versus targeted attack it would be useful to see how big a problem that is. <br /> <br />And please name specific examples where the presence of armed armed guards or police ended a mass shooting quickly. <br /> <br />Thank you.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-6103</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Mar 10 2013, 3:20 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yes. I am not convinced that moving the library across the parking lot will have much impact on school security, in particular as it relates to an armed assailant. I am willing to consider it if you would like to debate the topic. <br /> <br />I honestly don't know that there is any practical way to completely prevent an assailant from attacking the school. However, I believe the presence of a police officer is a deterrent for some criminals and from what I've read these shooting sprees typically end quickly when the shooter is faced with the police. That is why I think the topic is worth discussing. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>dismiss-8p94 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-6103 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It seems that some of you dismiss the idea of police presence as a deterrent. I can't say I understand the basis of this opinion since that seems to go against the commonly accepted view of security. <br /> <br />It also seems some of you dismiss the idea that a police presence would save lives in the event of an incident. From what I have read about these tragic events, the presence of armed authorities has brought about resolution more quickly and saved lives. <br /> <br />Supporting arguments?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You seem to dismiss what is obvious to other posters on the board. The weak point in school security is the library. Patrons can intermingle with students during school hours and they have relatively easy access to the whole school through the library. <br /> <br />Instead of commenting on that, you return to a police presence. I think the school (compared to other schools) is secure and that the board of ed will be taking additional steps. However, the library is a problem. Please comment.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>dismiss-8p94</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 6 2013, 8:26 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-0o99 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The library increased the hours over ten years ago. People in town wanted the library to be open more. Daytime hours are great for young families, and seniors. This is our library. Why would we want to go to Plainsboro? <br /> <br />Safety issues have become more evident post 9/11. Cranbury is one of the only libraries in New Jersey that has this school/public thing. It was built in 1968 when we did not have same safety concerns. I do hope that the school board takes this issue up. <br /> <br />Re. Debate about the new public library. Is there a debate? Sounds like the library will be built. They have raised a lot of money.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The school board took it up 5 years ago. They asked the library to cut back hours during the school day. The library mobilized their clients. The School got next to no public support to cut back hours. In fact, I seem to recall that the paper at the time said people were threatening to vote down school budgets if the library hours were cut. <br /> <br />The result was the reconfiguration of the library to minimize contact between students and library patrons. Make no mistake about it. The library expanded its hours over time without consultation with the school. When the school said enough is enough the library went ape. <br /> <br />All this was post 9/11. Only now people seem concerned with no safety. The board was quite proactive, but got zero public support.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0o99</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Mar 6 2013, 7:02 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Police & School</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The library increased the hours over ten years ago. People in town wanted the library to be open more. Daytime hours are great for young families, and seniors. This is our library. Why would we want to go to Plainsboro? <br /> <br />Safety issues have become more evident post 9/11. Cranbury is one of the only libraries in New Jersey that has this school/public thing. It was built in 1968 when we did not have same safety concerns. I do hope that the school board takes this issue up. <br /> <br />Re. Debate about the new public library. Is there a debate? Sounds like the library will be built. They have raised a lot of money.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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