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[quote="anon-q2q6"]I understand that you feel Indivisible is virtuous and Tea Party is not. The point is, both are wrapped up in a national political agenda that really has no real place in our local politics. The Cranbury Township Committee is not going to tackle those national political issues. The most you could do locally to drive the national ultra-progressive agenda would be to make Cranbury a "Sanctuary Township", increase our affordable housing obligations, disarm the police and cancel our sending relationship with Princeton, none of which are likely to be super-popular ideas. Think about it... people are mad about Trump, so their solution is to vote out Jay Taylor? When you say it out loud, doesn't it sound a little silly? Tomorrow, we have a choice between A) a person who has dedicated thousands of hours to help successfully run the township for almost a decade, or B) writing in a person with no experience who has until very recently shown no interest. Are you really going to pick option B because you're upset about something completely unrelated? [quote="saywhat?-s3qn"]Just a couple points: 1. Indivisible is, generally, quite LOUD, not secretive. Indivisible is a GUIDE that was published by ex- Congressional staffers, outlining the tactics and strategies (i.e. start LOCAL and then move onto the county and state) used by the Tea Party, albeit secretly, I do believe, in THEIR case, to rise in political power and they were VERY successful. They currently hold some of the highest offices in our land. (Mike Pence was the Koch bro's, see below, choice for POTUS. Gave him lots of $$) The Guide has been talked about on many media outlets (minus the uber right) since the Presidential election. It has been heralded and shared and advertised since it's inception 18 months ago. Quiet; it is not. 2. Both the TP and Indivisible ARE grassroots, though not funded the same. The Tea Party "took off" when the Kochs', et al started running things, and Indivisible "took off" with the Womens' March. The Tea Party was not exactly the "brainchild" of the Kochs' and their rich posse, but once discovered, the brothers jumped in and spent millions on promoting and funding this movement of the far right party, which is why it became such a successful and invasive group. The donors are, generally, billionaires and are intent on securing corporate rights over human and environmental rights. SecEd Devos is one of these billionaires. Though, surely, the Indivisible movement in its many facets has received plenty of money from the uber rich, it really is being paid for and organized at the grassroots level. The book "Dark Money" highlights this quite well. It's very frightening. 3. The Resistance is made up of more than one group. You will see on the site, www.indivisibleguide.com, well over 6000 groups, last time I checked (a year?) that have signed on as "resistance" groups so that like-minded, local people could join together. "Some" choose to call themselves Indivisible something, like Cranbury did. Others called themselves SOMA Action, District 4 Coalition for Change, Rise and Resist, Rise up NC, Midterm Turn Around, Equal etc.... Some groups, like OurRevolution, Moms Demand Action, the New Jim Crow and others, existed well before Mr. Trump entered the scene. Of course, many of these groups formed with the sole purpose of creating a network of the groups everywhere so the resistance is organized by county, district, and state with all, now, in communication. It's pretty darn impressive. 4. The Tea Party is comprised, almost exclusively, by white, males. The Resistance movement, almost exclusively, by women, hence the organization mentioned above; the majority of whom have never been politically active before. The mothers, and daughters, grandmothers and granddaughters, medical professionals, teachers etc. are leading the way. And they've got social media down pat, cause there's so much involvement by the young. It's pretty impressive. 5. The TP's original major focus, as I understand it, was on reduction of debt, taxes, and spending but, with the addition of all that billionaire money, came to include a focused effort towards disengaging all gov't regulation that got in the way of corporate profit. Scott Pruitt, the corporate tax giveaway, and the reduction in human rights are examples of their success in power. The original TP members, fighting for the reductions noted above, have been played. The "Resistance Movement" is comprised of those who are rising up against this current administration in support of HUMAN rights, across the board. Environmental rights are equally important to this group. 6. Unfortunately, Cranbury can not remain unfazed during this tumultuous national time. The MeToo movement, the increase in deaths of black youth, the reality of the school to prison pipeline, the endless school shootings, the concerns about healthcare and college and employment are here too. And don't forget about Mother Earth. Leaving clean air and water to our children is a great concern we all must surely share. 7. Change is inevitable; of course, it's never easy. (an aside: Mayor Glenn Johnson might want to consider an apology for his last council meeting address. His attempt at humor belies his lack of understanding, I believe, but many see it as an outright, intentionally misogynistic slant. The women are not happy about this.) 8. If you think these progressive groups are TOO left, perhaps you are correct. However, many see that things are being controlled nationally by the FAR TOO RIGHT and it is a natural response. Check out Newton's Third Law, re equal and opposite reactions. If more moderate/conservative dems and moderate repubs joined in, spoke up against the atrocities of this administration, declared and worked towards equal rights for all, and sought to restore balance things might be different. I love this town, but, like everywhere, we, too, must change and grow. Thank you for listening. Have a pleasant day.[/quote][/quote]
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anon-8oq2
Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2018, 12:26 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
Indivisible,
Like your inspiration, the Tea Party movement, you have managed to bring the national political hysteria home to Cranbury. Shame on you!
anon-6qn6
Posted: Fri, Jun 8 2018, 8:16 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
"Because, we are going to have to change and grow as a town. It's what towns do, they shift with a times a bit. "
Change is not always positive. Sometimes doing nothing is the best option, if the proposed change makes things worse.
anon-s6p5
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 9:43 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
If the people are committed then they are best served to get started as a private entity. If they come back in 3-6 months showing no progress then how could they expect an approval?
222-s3qn
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 9:09 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
I'm not in that group. I'm sure it will be brought up again. There are many that think it's a good idea, including me.
anon-1876
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 6:39 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
222-s3qn wrote:
Technically, there is no CRC. Seriously. It's an idea that has arisen and there were a number of people who thought it was a very good idea. A unifying and supportive idea; exclusive of no one.
It is clear that this discussion is just in it's infant phase, so let's proceed respectfully and hear and understand all of the different perspectives. Because, we are going to have to change and grow as a town. It's what towns do, they shift with a times a bit.
There is nothing to be concerned about. No reason to be afraid.
anon-s6p5
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 6:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
You keep posting the above.
So start working on the CRC. It is June even if the town had approved you couldn't do anything this year. So form privately, work for the next six months and show your value.
However, the way the Indivisible group went after the one person who is up for election and said No to you does not give a warm and fuzzy feeling.
You say there is nothing to be afraid of, but when someone dissents you go after them like it is World War 3. Your actions don't hold up to your message.
222-s3qn
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 5:39 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
Technically, there is no CRC. Seriously. It's an idea that has arisen and there were a number of people who thought it was a very good idea. A unifying and supportive idea; exclusive of no one.
It is clear that this discussion is just in it's infant phase, so let's proceed respectfully and hear and understand all of the different perspectives. Because, we are going to have to change and grow as a town. It's what towns do, they shift with a times a bit.
There is nothing to be concerned about. No reason to be afraid.
anon-88r5
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 4:02 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
I fully agree we need to listen.
However, to listen we need dialogue and to be open on ALL sides. The CRC side is just as closed minded. Shouting that a CRC is a must is not the way.
The TC offered a forum as a private group and full TC support as the historical society, landmarks and other entities. The CRC view was all or nothing. It must only be an official board or commission with a budget.
The TC met half way, try it see if it works, see if you want to remain private and come back in a year or two. If successful we can discuss making it official.
There is no legal way to fund it this year anyway as the budget is already adopted.
Instead the CRC has wasted time fighting and going after Jay and Glenn. Instead of finding a solution, they went on the attack.
222-s3qn
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 3:20 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
Re: Indivisible = ch-1o5q wrote:
They lost for now but we all know that they are like roaches and will be back. If Cranbury needs a civil rights Council why would these individuals want to live in a town that is so racist, intolerant, and unacceptable of the beliefs, values and cultures of other residents? It is these people who are the intolerant ones. Just ask our great Major Glenn Johnson.
This could not be further from the truth. Cranbury is friendly and welcoming of all people. Otherwise it would not enjoy the great reputation it has for so many years. Let's not allow these extremists to muddy the water and dissolve the close knit community we all enjoy.
If they are unhappy in Cranbury, they might want to try Trenton, Princeton, New Brunswick, Camden, Patterson, or even Newark. Maybe they can find happiness there. Seriously, I doubt it.
We have been here as long as you. We are your neighbors, kids' parents, grandmoms and grandpops. And not one of us a roach, however we do have teachers, and doctors, and lawyers amongst us.
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Please stop with the names. This is not going to go away until everyone can speak respectfully and listen openly to each other. There is a greater shift in the world, towards recognizing that others' experiences, may be different that ours. Cranbury needs to evolve too. We must learn to care and listen to the perspective of others.
crazy leftist-1osn
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 12:50 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
you really see how crazy the left is when they are out of power or fail to bully people in getting their way.
Re: Indivisible = ch-1o5q
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 12:03 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
They lost for now but we all know that they are like roaches and will be back. If Cranbury needs a civil rights Council why would these individuals want to live in a town that is so racist, intolerant, and unacceptable of the beliefs, values and cultures of other residents? It is these people who are the intolerant ones. Just ask our great Major Glenn Johnson.
This could not be further from the truth. Cranbury is friendly and welcoming of all people. Otherwise it would not enjoy the great reputation it has for so many years. Let's not allow these extremists to muddy the water and dissolve the close knit community we all enjoy.
If they are unhappy in Cranbury, they might want to try Trenton, Princeton, New Brunswick, Camden, Patterson, or even Newark. Maybe they can find happiness there. Seriously, I doubt it.
anon-0421
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 11:04 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
Anon-s316 - its kind of like marching right?? Im going to ruin the cranbury.info board!! this is my way of crying... oh no!!
THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT- THEY LOSE AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS... LMAO
anon-0421
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 11:02 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
Because Anon-s316 cannot get their way - just reply to a post further back and it will fix it
anon-s316
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 9:40 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
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anon-2163
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 9:31 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
Good morning Anon-s316!
Couldn't get the board admin to close the thread so you're going to mess with the formatting? You wacky indivisibles with your sneaky tricks!
anon-s316
Posted: Thu, Jun 7 2018, 8:38 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Indivisible = Tea Party
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