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[quote="anon-8q9p"]okay gang, lets relax a bit here. I walk my dog by this house and garage every day. I have wondered for years when a strong enough storm would come taking the garage down as it stood with a 20 degree slant. It is now replaced with what looks like an identical garage on the same footprint but it doesnt look like its about to collapse. Actually, as a casual observer who moved here over 30 years ago because of the historic characteristics of this town, and owner of a home in the historic district, if you ask me, this whole project on the house itself looks great, with effort to match unique rooflines, and old brick, which I am sure added cost to the project. What would you expect to happen when a wall collapses - put it back up even if wood is rotted? The beautiful historic integrity of the property has been maintained as far as I can see and that is what is important and what we expect from HPC.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Don’t know what to-n561</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Aug 8 2018, 6:30 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">STOP with all the drama, you would think this were a life and death situation. Don’t you people have anything better to fill your life with then to worry about an old house or garage!!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ssr6</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Aug 6 2018, 10:25 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The county goes out and inspects the pools to control. Isquotes. When you see the isquioto truck come through they often stop there. However, the club is a disgrace. My guess is the company bought it not realizing how Coen's I've it is to fill in and the land can't be developed due to wet lands. So it is a mess.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest246-4os8</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Aug 6 2018, 8:07 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">While on the subject of eyesores, what about the former Cranbury swim club? Everything is rotting, the pools are a mosquito breeding ground (despite multiple calls to the town and greater state orgs). Every now and then I see a truck and worker of some sort looking at it but nothing ever happens.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ssr6</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018, 7:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-8rn8 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The town got what they deserve on the Barclay farm, by accepting a illegally late bid over the Danser's.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Except we are the town. If the TC does something and it creates a problem, we lose. So the town did not get what we deserve at all.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-8rn8</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018, 7:00 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The town got what they deserve on the Barclay farm, by accepting a illegally late bid over the Danser's.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ssr6</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018, 4:19 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">They flipped it to get some of the purchase price back. They coulddn't keep the land without the full debt. Of the town kept the land then they'd have the housing cost as well. The land was not worth as much as the town paid because it could or be sold to a developer. So they auctioned off the property. I think it was wise to sell the land to get something back. I think it was unwise to do so without restrictions that the house be kept in a lovable condition.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4os8</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018, 4:01 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon,verify-5915 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">An earlier post was interested in the sale and purchase price. According to the Cranbury Press August 31,20007 Pari Stave said the township purchased the property from the Barclay family for $3.5 million and the sale price to Leslie Alexander T/A West Orange Baby LLC was 2.1 million.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What was the point of the Township flipping the lot for $1.4MM less than it paid for it?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon,verify-5915</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018, 3:26 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">An earlier post was interested in the sale and purchase price. According to the Cranbury Press August 31,20007 Pari Stave said the township purchased the property from the Barclay family for $3.5 million and the sale price to Leslie Alexander T/A West Orange Baby LLC was 2.1 million.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anon 2018-pr89</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018, 11:09 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage & Farmhouse</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I believe this property on Plainsboro Road was cited for deteriorating porch structure under the recently enacted Cranbury Property Maintenance Code Ordinance so the TC should have some recourse. There are fines if the repairs are not done in a timely manner. Also, the grass around the house should be kept mowed. And have maintenance plans been filed with the town since this is a vacant house?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ssr6</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 4 2018, 8:37 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The attorney for the town was hired in 2009 or 2010 after this was long done. The attorney at the time of the sale is our PB attorney and ZB attorney now. <br /> <br />Landmarks is totally private with no say if any members are even still around. They may have been absorbed by the Historical Society. So you can't blame them. <br /> <br />so this was on that TC and attorney at that time and perhaps the old administrator. Individuals long gone. <br /> <br />I do agree that if Mr Danser owned the property it would be better maintained.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon;oqr3-5915</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 4 2018, 8:23 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I would be willing to bet if Mr. Danser, who lived on the property for over fifty years, was still there it would still be the scenic farm vista we were promised when we "Bought The Farm". I believe that the present attorney the town has was responsible for the sale/deed documents but the Committee members could verify that for sure. It seems that HPC and Landmarks missed the boat by not insuring that proper restrictions were in place. The Committee members at the time along with Mr. Carr also should bear some responsibility for the mess we are saddled with now.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ssr6</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 4 2018, 12:17 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No one from that TC is left. I don't know if any even still live in town. <br /> <br />Yes, they should have ensured the structure was maintained in a livable condition. The town sold this land so not sure what the delta was at the end between cost and sale price.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4os8</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 4 2018, 10:30 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">So it sounds like someone screwed up in structuring the deed -- they created a lot of stipulations for preserving the site but no enforcement mechanisms? What public money went into preservation of this site and what process was used to vet who it was sold to? Who's responsible for authoring the restricted deeds? Are there others with similar issues that basically allow corporations with no connection to Cranbury to abandon them?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon;oq2s-5915</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 4 2018, 9:16 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Would it be helpful to contact the State Agriculture Development Committee or Mr. Leslie L. Alexander whose Foundation actually owns the property? It just seems that what we have existing now is not what the taxpayers nor the Committee had in mind when deciding to embark on this venture-------------</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0sqo</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Aug 4 2018, 7:36 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I called a TC member who called the tax assessor who read the deed. He said the Tax assessor’s comment and the deed read to me as well was that the deed does not allow enforcement of the home condition by law. <br /> <br />There are points A - I and there is an HPC review requested by deed for any changes. However, there is no stipulation in the deed that requires the home be kept in a livable condition. That is the problem. The town can not force repairs be done. In fact point B states that nothing can be done to the building without TC approval with HPC consultation and demolition or removal will only be permitted if the condition of the building has significant structural damage. <br /> <br />Further, a farm due to agricultural use is not subject to grass height etc... <br /> <br />If you don’t believe me reach out to a TC member yourself or call the Tax assessor or TwP Administrator directly. This is not a town site and no one is going to do anything based on a post here. <br /> <br />The deed is on line. If you disagree then show where in the deed it states the Town can go in and enforce the home be fixed up.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon;oqs6-5915</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018, 11:31 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Whoever was the representative of the township that said the deed has no restriction is in error. "Fake News" as they say---If you read the deed there are significant restrictions---deed "Hereby reserving for the grantor,its successors and assigns in perpetuity a Historic Preservation Easement" there are significant restrictions on that property an they can be sourced at the county clerks office or at the cranbury assessors office .The deed also references certain things that need the express consent of the Township Committee acting in consultation with the Township's Historic Preservation Committee----- The deed is recorded in book 5863 page 317. The property is owned by West Orange Baby LLC 1200 n. Federal Hwy. Boca Raton Florida 33432</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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