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[quote="yes"]I totally agree that there should be a right turn lane from Rt-130 South to Old Trenton Rd. I saw a discussion of doing just that before. But somehow this discussion resulted no change at all. Maybe Carnabury police is using this a "revenue" source (a.k.a a golden goose), because drivers are likely to make a right turn through the shoulder lane.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 28 2008, 9:30 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That's correct, the light was green, there was no car in front so I pulled into the shoulder and made ther turn at the light, maybe 10-15 feet. I believe the concern is that the drivers who pass on the right at red.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 28 2008, 9:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I don't see how ticketing people who are making illegal turns is bad policy. BTW an officer was behind me today. The light was green and I pulled into the shoulder to make the right. I did not get stopped. Now, if it was a red light and I used the shoulder perhaps I would have been ticketed.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I assume your car was not passing any cars on green, so it's ok that you cut into the shoulder *briefly*. <br /> <br />Don't use shoulder to pass cars waiting in front for red, especially when there is a cop around!! When there is no cop around, you might get lucky if you do that to save a minute or two!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 28 2008, 9:03 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't see how ticketing people who are making illegal turns is bad policy. BTW an officer was behind me today. The light was green and I pulled into the shoulder to make the right. I did not get stopped. Now, if it was a red light and I used the shoulder perhaps I would have been ticketed.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 28 2008, 6:15 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I didn't get a ticket or get stopped, but I complained anyway. <br /> <br />It seems like if you don't like the POV it is a "complaint" and if you agree with it, it is "free speech." <br /> <br />For me it is not about what they did up until now, it is about the fact that what they are doing is bad public policy and should be called out.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>GTA4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 28 2008, 2:33 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Funny, but that long diatribe seemed a lot like a complaint.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Drivers who got ticked for driving on the shoulder to make the right turn are likely to complain, which is a form of free speech, right? <br /> <br />BTW, can't wait to play Grand Theft Auto IV. <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 28 2008, 11:54 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Funny, but that long diatribe seemed a lot like a complaint.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Apr 26 2008, 12:15 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't see this forum as complaints. I see it as everyones chance to be heard. It's called free speach!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Apr 26 2008, 10:27 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Recently, a friend told me of this website and I can't believe it exists. You people obviously have way too much time on you hands to spend your days commenting on whether the police should be enforcing the traffic laws regarding improper use of the shoulder on Route 130 and Old Trenton Rd. . First, it is a grant from the State for action against aggressive driving, and not your local tax dollars which are funding most of that action. Secondly, yes it is illegal to drive on the shoulder and it does create a hazard for people who actually obey the motor vehicle laws and properly turn from the driving lane. Third, this is a State highway and you should talk to the State about a right turn lane, which is probably needed there. Do you think the police just go out there and paint lines on the street wherever they desire? Lastly, why would you think that you get to choose which laws are enforced and which are not. Run for State office if you want to write the laws but until that time, and last time I checked, the police have an obligation to enforce all of the laws. <br />If you have so much excess time in your day and wish to fill the void, why not do something constructive like attemping change the problems you see with action instead of complaining here and everywhere or volunteering your excess time and actually helping people in some way. I'm sure the school or the library could use volunteers like you who have so much time to give. I bet the police department could find a use for volunteers also. Try it! <br />Please, no need to respond as I don't have time to continue this nonsense. It would a better use of your time to be part of a solution to whatever problems you see, not a lazy anonymous on- line complainer.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Apr 22 2008, 11:58 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">My wife once got pulled over in North Brunswick near the intersection of RT-1 and RT-130 for failing to stay on the right lane of RT-130, which has two traveling lanes going north. <br /> <br />She was connecting to RT-1 north, so she had to stay on the left-hand lane! There was a traffic sign there saying to "Turnpike keep left." <br /> <br />The cop gave her the ticket anyway. <br /> <br />The prosecutor was asking for paying surcharges to replace the ticket with a zero point one. We decided to go for a trial. <br /> <br />It took both of us (I accompanied her to the court) three visits to the court to get the ticket dismissed (cop did not show up!).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>traveler</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 21 2008, 3:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">My sister-in-law was recently ticketed in a similar situation in South Brunswick. If you're driving South on Route 1 in South Brunswick and attempt to make a right turn onto Finnegan's Lane beware that the same road markings exist. And yes, the SBPD were waiting that day to "ambush" those who crossed over the solid line....just another typical ticket quota day for NJ's bravest.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Apr 21 2008, 9:37 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well stated in previous post. <br />It's the prioritization of what the police are doing. This is no better than a "speed trap" I encountered in the south, where the speed limit dropped from 50 to 25, but the speed limit sign was hidden by trees. The police hide in a grove of trees waiting for victims. <br /> <br />And, just because a law exists doesn't means it makes any sense: <br /><a href="http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/new-jersey" target="_blank">http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/new-jersey</a> <br /> <br />There is actually a law in the town I grew up in stating that all residents must have a musket mounted over their fireplace.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Apr 19 2008, 7:23 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't think anyone has been complaining about the ticket, or saying it is technically illegitmate. I think the comments have been to disagree that the police should spending there limited resources and time on policing that. If they had the time to be ticketing people for every law on the books, fine. Or if they just happened to be driving by and saw this, fine. But the original poster suggested they were staking out this location to specifically give people tickets for this. So our collective complaint is that this is a poor prioritization on their part because there are many higher priority offenses they should be focusing on. There are all sorts of laws on the boooks that don't usually get enforced. In fact, more don't than do. So the bottom line is they had to make a conscious decision to enforce this one. And barring information not yet presented here, I agree that is a poor decision.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Apr 19 2008, 5:04 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">From where I stand there are two issues one being the law and the other being what should be done. <br /> <br />In terms of the law using the shoulder as people are stating is illegal and whether a person feels it appropriate or not the police have the right and law on their side to ticket. If I get a ticket for doing 70 on the turnpike I deserve it as I'm going over the speed limit regardless of traffic flow or other issues. Same rule applies here. <br /> <br />Now, on the subject of a right turn lane I do agree that this is a good idea. The state has to do this, but it is a good idea. <br /> <br />Until then either obey the law or take the chance on a ticket. No sense complaining about the ticket itself. There is sense in complaining and proposing a right turn lane to the state.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Apr 19 2008, 7:47 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Concerning speeding tickets -- Cranbury police used to police Main street and Plainsboro road ruthlessly (maybe 10-14 years ago?) <br /> <br />Maybe you should sit on Plainsboro Rd some day and watch the white charger speed up and down this road for hours. They still ruthlessly patrol this road, but it doesn't matter because as soon as they leave everyone's speeding again.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 12:02 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />I don't feel dumb because they passed me and I waited. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Good to hear that. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> I feel the dumb because I was doing more harm by impeding traffic once I did turn than if I had just pulled over to the shoulder to turn.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />There is no need to feel dumb for slowing down and making a safe right turn. It is given that the car behind you should keep a safe distance and slow down as well. This is safe driving not impeding traffic. Further, the car right behind you may not be in a hurry and may not feel impeded.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2008, 11:27 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: What are our police doing?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>confusion? wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">There seems to be some confusion here. <br /> <br />I believe the police won't ticket you if you are making a right without any cars parked ahead waiting for lights, even if you cross the solid white line just before your turn. But don't travel on the shoulder lane too long to make the turn. <br /> <br />If you are trying to make a right turn through the shoulder lane while there are cars *ahead* of you (i.e. you are passing other cars through shoulder lane to make the turn), then you might get a ticket if the police sees your act. <br /> <br />I think it's a good idea to add a right turn only lane there to ease congestion.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What are you basing this clarification on? It's not reflected in the original posters comments. Did the police tell you this is what they would do? Otherwise isn't it speculation? <br /> <br />Having read this post yesterday when I was at the intersection today, stuck behind a huge truck, I put my turn signal on and watsed the entire light cycle full in the regular lane while car after car behind me did what they always did and pull to the right shoulder, drive past me and turn right. One of them even gave me a look of confusion while they passed because they couldn't figure out why I was waiting in the regular lane when the right shoulder was clear... Then when the light turned green I naturally obstructed traffic by conducting my turn, awkwardly, from all the way over in the regular lane, careful never to cross the white line... Dumb.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you don't believe me, you can do the following to test my speculation: <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">When a police car is present and red light is on, drive on the shoulder lane to pass all the cars in front to make a right turn.</span> <br /> <br />The reason those drivers drove on the shoulder lane was because there was no police in sight, and they were taking their chances. <br /> <br />What you did obeys the traffic laws, and you should not feel dumb or bad for obeying the laws, even if others are breaking them.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I don't feel dumb because they passed me and I waited. I feel the dumb because I was doing more harm by impeding traffic once I did turn than if I had just pulled over to the shoulder to turn.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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