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[quote="Cranbury Conservative"]COAH New Jersey Deparment of Community Affairs http://www.nj.gov/dca/coah/[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, May 11 2008, 8:25 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Please don't panic people and start running away from our town - we have a long way to go concerning COAH. All the #'s are not fully in and we can always opt-out of COAH. However, our TC needs to communicate directly to the taxpayers as where we stand today, possibilities of tomorrow, and the future with the current COAH ruling. <br /> <br />They also should present options of what directions we should follow to our towns people. Anyway we choose may cost us millions. Give us the facts, plans, and Let us vote.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guest1</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, May 10 2008, 9:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">460 units which is about 40%-50% of total number of houses in Cranbury town?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, May 10 2008, 8:58 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">according to current estimate, it is over 400. please sell your house now if you own one in cranbury - but i doubt</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, May 10 2008, 8:21 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>guest1 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Does anyone know how many units we will get from the 3rd round? If it is 400, will Princeton high still take kids from Cranbury?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If it's 400, I'll sell my house.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guest1</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, May 10 2008, 8:14 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Does anyone know how many units we will get from the 3rd round? If it is 400, will Princeton high still take kids from Cranbury?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, May 9 2008, 11:17 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Usually I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but how much of the COAH's new mandates are being dictacted by the building companies? I think I saw a similar comment on this or another post. Could just be a strange coincidence. NJ is so overdeveloped. I dont know if forced development is the answer. I would not mind paying taxes to fight this in court.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest1</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 9:25 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Anyone knows how many affordable units we will have?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 8:36 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well, from where I sit this presents an interesting issue. <br /> <br />1) On the COAH front the ability to pay other towns for the obligation will cease under the proposed rules. However, some towns truly need the money or will suffer, so this may in fact be allowed in the final rules. It will require work. <br /> <br />2) Would it be cost effective to opt out and then preserve land in town? It would seem with no land available a builder could not sue to build. In addition, the cost may be cheaper in the long term as opposed to building COAH homes and the increase in services that brings.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 8:26 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am not a COAH expert. I think the following item is impossible now. <br /> <br />"7. Can we possibly afford paying another town for our COAH obligations?" <br /> <br />Cranbury cannot pay other towns to take our COAH obligations.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 4:03 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You bring up many great points and I agree. We should keep this discussion going. Hopefully some other locals with insight into these issues can respond and keep this dialog going?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 3:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">We all agree that COAH is seriously flawed. There will be lawsuits (whether we go it alone or band together with another town) and money will be spent anyway you cut it. Let's face it - COAH changed from a "FAIR SHARE" to a "Smart Growth" mentality which immediately penalizes towns like us. Towns already developed are pretty much taken out of the equation. <br /> <br />Now, It's just a matter of where the money comes from, how it's spent and how to control our growth. <br /> <br />Yes, the TC has a great diverse mix of experience and talent - BUT, because of all the recent financial ideas and decisions, it is clear they need the benefit of people with a financial background. <br /> <br />Just because you pay for advise, doesn't mean it's better than advice that comes FREE from our local residents with experience in financial and investment matters. <br /> <br />What is worrisome, is that every time I ask what does it mean if we opt-out of COAH. I get the answer that we would not be protected by the "Builders Remedy" and it would be devastatingly costly (shh ... Like it's scary to talk about - Oh... look what happened to West Windsor). Not good enough - This is a terrible answer which I would never accept personally or professionally. To me this is something that need to be seriously thought about and addressed. <br /> <br />I can get answers about the dollars and cents for if we agree to COAH but not if we opt-out. For every question, I really want an answer for both each way. How can we or the TC possibly make an educated decision? <br /> <br />1.What's the difference if the town pays to COAH builds the homes or if by the builders remedy the Builder pays for it? <br /> <br />2. What township rules and regulations to control Builders Remedy? <br /> <br />3. How much land would and could be affected by Builders Remedy? <br /> <br />4. How many single family and low income homes could possibly be built on such locations? <br /> <br />5. How will our schools, police, fire, etc be affected by accepting COAH or the builders remedy. <br /> <br />6. Do we need to purchase more Open Space land to offset either one of these issues? <br /> <br />7. Can we possibly afford paying another town for our COAH obligations? <br /> <br />I know it comes down to - THE BUILDERS are in control. Either way, They win out if we stay in or opt-out. Now, It's just a matter of controlling our own destiny.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 2:37 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I agree, however I do not profess to have all of the facts. <br /> <br />What I do know is COAH is not mandatory and the other option is the builders option which allows the builders to come in and build the required houses the state is mandating if we opt out of COAH. We are then stuck with the builders actions. Our best bet is to band together with the other municipalities to fight the COAH requirements. If I had to handicap this I could envision this being dragged out in the courts for a long time which will cost Cranbury $$$. <br /> <br />As stated earlier we then are even more in debt that is why it is so important that we don't spend money on things we don't need. <br /> <br />Yes these are difficult decisions, however I do not feel that public service requires everyone to be from the financial sector. <br /> <br />A representative with that background might be a good thing however for the TC. <br /> <br />Even though I do not agree with the actions of the TC the TC does currently have a good make up of different backgrounds which represent the community at large. <br /> <br />This is a good discussion and should be given more thought going forward.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 2:10 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Does Cranbury's CFO/treasure allowed to give any feedback or is she just allowed to tell the TC how much money is needed? <br /> <br />So, another words - It goes from the Cranbury Affordable Housing Associates directly to the TC. Which then makes a huge financial decision that affects all the taxpayers. <br /> <br />My concern is that none of our TC members have a financial background and ONLY have the benefit of a special interest group (Cranbury Affordable Housing). How can they possibly way the pros and cons? This is a huge financial undertaking that will affect other areas of our town's budget - school, police, library, and the list goes on.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 1:57 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Please someone correct me if I am wrong however I believe the TC has the final say. <br /> <br />They leverage outside consultants and input from Cranbury Housing Associates who are found at <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.cranburytownship.org/housing_associates_main.html" target="_blank">http://www.cranburytownship.org/housing_associates_main.html</a> <br /> <br />& <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.cranburyhousing.org/" target="_blank">http://www.cranburyhousing.org/</a> <br /> <br /> <br />Again please someone correct me if I am wrong.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 1:45 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Actually, I think you misunderstood - Who in our town of Cranbury figures out the implications with and without COAH? Who creates a report that would be given to our TC? Or is it our TC that figures it out?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2008, 1:35 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH Announced Proposed Ammendments to Round 3 Rules on May 6</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">COAH <br /> <br />New Jersey Deparment of Community Affairs <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.nj.gov/dca/coah/" target="_blank">http://www.nj.gov/dca/coah/</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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