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[quote="Guest"][quote="Jeff M."]We are talking $1,000 plus raises in property taxes each year for the average home and a lot more for some if the rules are not changed. The reason being that we are not just building schools, but we're also building homes at the same time and then collecting lower than market property taxes. So 50% of the homes in our town are paid for by the town, 50% of our homes won't pay a fair tax rate, and they cause an infastructure problem. The financial consequences are staggering. And do you think anyone will want to live in a town with 50% affordable housing and a greater than WW tax burden? The home values will drop.[/quote] We're talking about a whole lot more than $1,000 a year increase. Do the math. About 1,100 hoouseholds need to 100% underwrite 500 homes.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Aug 12 2008, 6:36 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />The problem is the State doesn't care. Their goal is basically to rape and pillage our Township until they have bled us dry then expect that we will get absorbed into a larger township. They treat the State like an army on the move with a scourched Earth policy -- eat all the crops as you go and burn the rest then move-on.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Even if all the small towns are absorbed into larger townships - These larger townships can't even afford COAH homes, new schools, fire, police, etc.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Ah, but that's part of the plan too. Because the larger townships will then have to solve the problem by re-zoning and approving massave tracts of new space for marketrate housing from private developers as part of the Builder's Remedy.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Aug 12 2008, 2:16 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />The problem is the State doesn't care. Their goal is basically to rape and pillage our Township until they have bled us dry then expect that we will get absorbed into a larger township. They treat the State like an army on the move with a scourched Earth policy -- eat all the crops as you go and burn the rest then move-on.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Even if all the small towns are absorbed into larger townships - These larger townships can't even afford COAH homes, new schools, fire, police, etc.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 11:54 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Regarding the poor turn out, this meeting was not really an important event for the public to witness, or participate in. The only item on the agenda was to resolve to join the Clinton Twp challenge. I think everyone knew in advance what the decision would be. There wasn't really anything to debate. <br /> <br />However, though I recognize that some discretion is imperative, I do echo Jeff's concerns about closed door sub-committee meetings that effectively set the course of policy action based on the participation of predominantly un-elected officials. While the participants may have nothing but honorable intentions, this practice can feed the perception of a pre-determined outcome prior to public comment.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The majority of our TC doesn't want to listen to anyone but themselves and their friends. The only reason they hve to response to the speakers is because they are being put on the spot in front of everyone. If they could they would ignore the speakers just like the writers...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:44 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Shy, <br /> <br />I understand and am the same way. Unfortunately, and I did not attend, our TC do not believe or listen to emails and letters.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>shyGuest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:33 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The meeting ended at 8pm. Are you serious that dinner at 6:30 as opposed to eating earlier or later is more important than the COAH meeting? I ate a quick snack and then dinner when I got home. <br /> <br />In terms of the holiday, I don't think that was a big cause. Maybe for a few, but not for the majority. Look at our budget meeting turn outs and other meetings to see the lack of interest. If people want something ala the PNC building they turn out, hat in hand. Otherwise, they don't seem to care.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I would prefer to be able to voice my opinion by email or other electronic means. I care these issues, but I may not be able to make it. <br /> <br />Or I can sign my name, address, phone, and email from my computer and the "leaders" who plan to attend and are good at public speaking can carry the signed paper to represent me at the meeting.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:10 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The meeting ended at 8pm. Are you serious that dinner at 6:30 as opposed to eating earlier or later is more important than the COAH meeting? I ate a quick snack and then dinner when I got home. <br /> <br />In terms of the holiday, I don't think that was a big cause. Maybe for a few, but not for the majority. Look at our budget meeting turn outs and other meetings to see the lack of interest. If people want something ala the PNC building they turn out, hat in hand. Otherwise, they don't seem to care.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 7:21 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The meeting start time, 6:30pm, is too early for summer. Are attendees going to eat dinner there?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 7:16 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">many were still on holiday, but I did see some folks walking the streets on my way to the meeting. Not sure if they read this forum but lots showed up at the prior COAH meeting so I think it was just about the holiday for most.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 1:24 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It was noted several times last night that a larger town meeting will be schedule for July 28th to discuss COAH / Affordable Housing.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 11:08 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>James wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />1) I was deeply concerned by the lack of turn out. It seemed incredible to me that we had more people show up about the PNC purchase then we did about COAH. The PNC purchase is minor item when compared to COAH. I wonder if people really understand the impact or if they just don't worry believing things will take care of themselves. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /><img src="http://copyservices.tamu.edu/clipart/clip02/dac20021.gif" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:31 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Overall, I thought the meeting and result was very positive. Apparently, instead of a suit this is a challenge. The difference being a challenge to the rules allows Cranbury to opt into several challenges, clinton, league of municipalities, etc... So overall it was a good decision. <br /> <br />In terms of the negatives. <br /> <br />1) I was deeply concerned by the lack of turn out. It seemed incredible to me that we had more people show up about the PNC purchase then we did about COAH. The PNC purchase is minor item when compared to COAH. I wonder if people really understand the impact or if they just don't worry believing things will take care of themselves. <br /> <br />2) I did not agree with the closed door session prior to the public comment. I strongly dislike closed door sessions, but can understand the need in certain circumstances (employee negotiations, lawsuits against the town, etc....) To me those are sessions that confidentiality is key. I would prefer public comment first to allow for an expression of opinion before entering into a closed door session. Then in a case like this we should as residents have a right to sit there during the discussion. <br /> <br />3) I also found it to be a concern that there was a COAH sub-committee allowed to participate in the discussion and that these individuals were non-elected individuals. If the committee is comprised of TC and school board members then I am fine as it is our elected representatives making the decisions behind closed doors. Otherwise, the meeting should remain open. The COAH sub-committee can be appointed as the only ones who can speak at that time, and I am fine with that, but to not allow the public to sit in and offer comment only after a decision is in my opinion improper. <br /> <br />Thankfully, the decision that was reached was in 100% agreement from what I could see.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cranbury Conservative</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:18 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The litigation which was initiated last night is to fight the COAH third round rules. <br /> <br />We still have the A-500 / S-1783 bill which Governor Corzine has yet to sign. This is the legislation which does away with RCA’s.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 12:15 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The point of the meeting was to authorize the town to join the "appeal" (lawsuit) being filed by Clinton Twp. This is just one step in the process. <br /> <br />Cranbury will appeal on several fronts including; actual warehouse jobs, financial impact, farmland preservation, residential ratio, retro-activity, sewer capacity, etc. Some appeals will be legal actions, others will be negotiations between Cranbury Twp officials, District 14 Reps and COAH officials. We will need our senior elected officials to stand up for us in these meetings. I suggest we take the opportunity to reach out to each of our representatives to demonstrate our support and eagerness for a positive outcome. The process is going to take time, however, I am not sure how the timeline is impacted by the end-of-year deadline for submitting a revised plan to COAH.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />OUr district reps aren't going to stand up for us. They have already proven that. I hope they approved joiing the lawsuit at least. Did they?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jul 7 2008, 11:02 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">By my calculations, building more than 100 units will inevitably result in building a High School. If we have to build a high school, we'll probably choose builder's remedy over bankruptcy or consolidation. Therefore, by my estimation, "winning" means building less than 100 units in the third round.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jul 7 2008, 10:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Special Township Committee Meeting will be held on Monday, July 7, 2008, at </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The point of the meeting was to authorize the town to join the "appeal" (lawsuit) being filed by Clinton Twp. This is just one step in the process. <br /> <br />Cranbury will appeal on several fronts including; actual warehouse jobs, financial impact, farmland preservation, residential ratio, retro-activity, sewer capacity, etc. Some appeals will be legal actions, others will be negotiations between Cranbury Twp officials, District 14 Reps and COAH officials. We will need our senior elected officials to stand up for us in these meetings. I suggest we take the opportunity to reach out to each of our representatives to demonstrate our support and eagerness for a positive outcome. The process is going to take time, however, I am not sure how the timeline is impacted by the end-of-year deadline for submitting a revised plan to COAH.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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