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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 12:47 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Jersey Dad wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Unfunded state mandates severely limit flexiblity</span> and there is a list of unfunded mandates a mile long. One major example is COAH compliance, which is very expensive. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />We have an opportunity this November to support candidates who support reducing the amount of unfunded mandates. In contrast, some of our incumbent representatives support increasing the amount of unfunded mandates. IMO, it is not enough to simply cast a vote, it is imperative to speak up. We need to wake up the zombies who continue to elect the same people and then complain that things don't change.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 10:49 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It's easier said than done. Even by attending you only hear line items, you don't get to see them. So it is nearly impossible to keep track. You have to wait until the budget is passed. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I sure hope the TC can figure out why there is a 1.5 million increase compared to last year. That is their job and they should be able to express this clearly to the taxpayers prior to the budget being passed. <br /> <br />I do agree, we must look over all our contracts and renegotiate.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 10:15 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am not impressed with the former Mayor's "contributions" to our town. That's why I voted for Win. <br /> <br />If he tries to run the township again in the background, please offer your views here.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 9:40 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's easier said than done. Even by attending you only hear line items, you don't get to see them. So it is nearly impossible to keep track. You have to wait until the budget is passed. <br /> <br />By the way, it is interesting to see the interactions on the TC. Pari it seems is letting David run the meetings and I think she could add value. When Win asked to do a review a final time David rebuked him for Win's attitude.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 8:53 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Anyone knows about the reason for the $1.5 million budget increase this year? This should not be too hard to figure out.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 7:46 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's my understanding that the energy projects, i.e. the fire house doors, are coming from grant money. It was discussed that these items will not hit the bottom line. Also, some money from the fire official budget an unfunded mandate will now go to the fire department. There is no increase in funding, but we're now using funds that would not otherwise be available. So that is a good thing.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Michael</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 20 2009, 7:13 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Was some of the 1.5 mil increase due to the energy savings projects? This does involve an initial investment, but it will save us operating costs in the future.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jersey Dad</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Feb 19 2009, 7:34 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I only had the opportunity to observe part of the budget process, so I may have missed some important parts of the discussion. However, <span style="font-weight: bold">from my observation there was a unilateral effort to keep a lid on expenses this year</span>. Stout set the tone for these budget meetings last year and it seemed like all members of the TC were on the same page. Win certainly lived up to his pledge to review the budget line by line, and I appreciate his thoroughness. The fact that the latest budget review yielded less than $8k in additional expense savings should serve as a testament to the efforts on all sides to cut expenses. <br /> <br />I learned a lot by observing the process in action. <span style="font-weight: bold">The fact is, there are some serious challenges to cutting expenses</span>. For example, the Police contract was decided by binding arbitration. I don't recall a lot of public concern about police overtime when we were experiencing a rash of break-ins last year, but we're paying for some of that in this year's budget at a rate determined by binding arbitration. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Unfunded state mandates severely limit flexiblity</span> and there is a list of unfunded mandates a mile long. One major example is COAH compliance, which is very expensive. Furthermore, affordable housing surpluses cannot be returned to the Township. They must be used for other affordable housing purposes. <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">We also have a host of other expenses outside our control</span>. For example, shared agreements for services like call-dispatch save us money, but if Hightstown demands an increase, there may not be many better alternatives than to pay them more. In addition to increased fees, service agreements may require other expenditures in order to achieve compliance. For example, I understand the Township has certain environmental planning obligations to comply with our sewer service agreement. <br /> <br />Overall, I was impressed by the dilligence I witnessed from our TC regarding the review of budget line items. However, I am concerned that we may miss the forest for the trees. <span style="font-weight: bold">I hope that the TC can set aside time to explore some of the big, creative ideas for improvement.</span> Even if most of these ideas ultimately get rejected, it seems sensible to explore them. In addition to big creative ideas that have already been floated, such as leveraging students researchers and interns, examining Town Hall hours, etc., I'd suggest the exploring the following... <br /> <br />1. Find creative ways to increase the affordable housing revenue surplus to mitigate construction costs (when the time comes) and encourage commercial builders to donate land. <br />2. Negotiate reduced rates from contracted professionals for expenditures where the timing is optional. For example, the timing of the bulky house study is optional. Would Preiss & Associates be willing to accept $5,000 to <span style="font-style: italic">secure </span>the study this year vs. <span style="font-style: italic">hoping</span> to receive $10,000 for the study next year? <br /> <br />Creative ideas can help reduce expenses in future budgets. However, I recognize that the TC Members are essentially volunteers with many competing priorities. <span style="font-weight: bold">I hope creativity doesn't become the casualty of time. </span>Perhaps this is an effort that can be spearheaded by the Township Administrator with citizen involvement? <br /> <br />JD</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Feb 18 2009, 2:24 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Agreed. Another poster shared some discussion of a study of street scapes/house sizes that occurred on TC. There is talk about Library funding, etc. This is a clear and urgent time to focus on needs, not wants. That said, it is imperative that the concerns, opinions, and frankly the will of residents be made known. TC is inviting public comment at the budget meetings.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Feb 18 2009, 1:43 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Dan Mulligan wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It was explained to us that typically Cranbury runs a surplus each year and above and beyond what we are using in the budget this year we have about another $4.5 million in surplus currently. I was then told offline by a resident we typically run about $ 5.0 million in surplus each year. <br /> <br />As for the question earlier in this thread about an extra 1.5 million in the budget this year. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Surplus or not - why is the budget 1.5 million more than last year. Most companies are cutting back and renegotiating contracts. Why are we spending more? What is going to happen to 2010. Our houses will be worth less but we will be paying more in taxes to cover the increases in spending. Do you really want to welcome tax increases in 2010? I'm sure there are some ways to cut without really feeling it. <br /> <br />Hell, I work for a small company and my own CEO was fired due to budgetary reasons. The founder and owner is now CEO and times are tough. <br /> <br />Cranbury needs to make some hard decisions to get us through the next 2 years. These are business decisions and the TC needs to put aside personal friendships and do what is right for Cranbury. <br /> <br />As Win Cody suggested, offer internships to fill the gaps.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Feb 18 2009, 11:47 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Any increase in the number of Township employees? <br /> <br />The number of employees for the past years: <br /> <br />2006: 70 <br />2007: 86 (a big increase!) <br />2008: 88 <br /> <br />This page has all the details: <br /><a href="http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=2334" target="_blank">http://cranbury.info/viewtopic.php?t=2334</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Feb 18 2009, 9:43 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Management of overtime hours is certainly one avenue to explore. I cannot comment on what this may cost our town, however, it is clear that there are many in the state that game the system to maximize overtime pay.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Dan Mulligan</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Feb 18 2009, 8:36 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Both Jay and I were at the meeting last night along with a few other residents, and yes it was good to see Win taking the lead in reviewing the budget once again line by line and as a result finding more saving for the taxpayers. <br /> <br />Seeing Win in action last night validated for me why we elected him. <br /> <br />A few questions and comments were asked at the end of the meeting during public comment regarding affordable housing and the Updike barn. When I spoke I asked about the surplus. <br /> <br />It was explained to us that typically Cranbury runs a surplus each year and above and beyond what we are using in the budget this year we have about another $4.5 million in surplus currently. I was then told offline by a resident we typically run about $ 5.0 million in surplus each year. <br /> <br />As for the question earlier in this thread about an extra 1.5 million in the budget this year. I did not ask about it specifically. However based on what I have found on the township web site regarding previous budgets it appears we typically use surplus from the previous year in the current years budget.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Jay T.</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Feb 18 2009, 7:38 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The TC attendees last night were Pari, David and Win. Win came to the meeting with a final check list of items to see if they could be reduced. There were a number of them so I can't list them all here. I do know he questioned items such as: <br /> <br />- Can we hire temporary help such as a college student to do the state required dog census as opposed to paying employees over time to do the work. <br /> <br />- Do we need to spend 10,000 on a bulky housing study with the planner? <br /> <br />- Could the town agree to carefully review any position whether we need to replace an employee if they were to leave. <br /> <br />- Can we reduce overtime budgets. <br /> <br />Also mentioned by all was the idea of perhaps the town going to some sort of flex schedule where they may have evening hours, but reduce day time hours. Or does it make sense for the Town hall to be open only 4 days a week instead of 5 if it saves money. No decision was taken on this, it was just an idea discussed. <br /> <br />An interesting note is that Win was the only one who had a final prepared list of items to review on the budget. It saved around 7,700.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 17 2009, 9:11 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I could not make the budget meeting tonight. What happened? Any news as to why there is a 1.5 million increase in our towns budget?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 10:52 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The February 17, 2009 Township special budget meeting...</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Is this special budget meeting open to the public? It would be good if some people attend to share their concerns with the committee.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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