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[quote="Guest"]http://www.centraljersey.com/articles/2010/11/29/topstory/doc4cf3bf67dfa59688927683.txt Middlesex County would be ignoring local laws if it, as planned, takes a 20-foot strip of land from a historically preserved farm in Cranbury to expand Old Trenton Road. The land the county would condemn is part of the Danser Farmstead. A historic farmhouse built in the mid 1880s is located on the farm, and the property “has been used as a filming location for several television commercials and photo shoots due to its historic character,” said Robert Diamond, owner of the property. Mr. Diamond addressed the Township Committee at its meeting Monday and suggested the committee make it known to the county that local laws are being violated in the expansion of Old Trenton Road. Mr. Diamond is a member of the Cranbury Historic and Preservation Society. He personally has invested his time and money in keeping the farmstead an intact historic setting, he said. Mayor David J. Stout said it’s a shame this issue came up because improvements to Old Trenton Road are being done due to the public’s concern about the road’s safety. The township, however, never approved plans for the road’s improvement that included condemning a portion of historically preserved land. ”It puts the town in a somewhat difficult position,” said the mayor. The construction on the road began three months ago and will, hopefully, be finished before Christmas, said Ron Sedner, supervising engineer at the county engineering office. ”I can assure you we’re doing everything legally,” he said. “We’re just providing a consistent roadway. It’s not a good situation when you have a wide to narrow to wide road.” The widening of the road also will add left turning lanes into side streets off Old Trenton Road. ”Most of the parcels of land were acquired years ago, but recently one parcel was brought to our attention,” he said, referring to the 20-foot by 515-foot strip of land on the Danser Farmstead. The county had Mr. Diamond’s property appraised and offered to purchase it, but Mr. Diamond rejected the offer. Mr. Sedner and Mr. Diamond did not want to discuss the amount offered. The 1993 Cranbury Township Master Plan designates the Danser Farmstead as a “late 1800’s L-Plan Victorian Vernacular” house. The Master Plan is not a legally binding document, but Cranbury’s code protects the plan’s inventory of historic sites, which includes the Danser farmstead. Chapter 93 of the code states, “Historic sites noted in the Cranbury Township Master Plan . . . shall be retained, and the setting of these historic sites shall be maintained by preserving the area surrounding the structure as required.” It adds these standards are in place to protect the site features, “which may include the farm structures, trees, hedgerows, landscaping and pastures that are located within proximity of a historic site.” ”A certificate of approval issued by the commission (Historic Preservation Commission) shall be required before a permit is issued or before work can begin” on a project that would change the setting of a historic site, states the code. ”It’s clear that the intent is to preserve the farmstead setting as a whole, not just the house,” Mr. Diamond said. Even though county laws supersede local laws, “this is not a case of conflicting laws,” Mr. Diamond said. “This is a case of a county action that disregards Cranbury’s laws.” ”I do not understand the efficacy of widening a 35-mph road and believe the permanent damage to a historic farmstead property far outweighs any benefit that could possibly result from a widened roadway,” he said. If the county continues with its plans to expand Old Trenton Road, 14 trees, “some of which are historic oaks probably over 100 years old” will be cut down,” Mr. Diamond said. The Township Committee said all it can do is write a letter to the county, suggesting it respect the township code. The county, however, still can override the code if it believes the project is for the greater good. ”We can ask the county to follow the laws we put in place, but the decision is still up to the judge,” said Councilman Win Cody after listening to Mr. Diamond’s case. ”I’m sure the judge is unaware that this violates our code,” Mr. Diamond added.[/quote]
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Posted: Fri, Jan 7 2011, 11:25 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
speed? wrote:
Guest wrote:
speed? wrote:
What is the speed limit on Plainsboro road once you pass the "End 25" sign?
50 until you get to Plainsboro, then it is 45.
Why?
Why not 55? 45? 40?
Because rural roads are designated at 50 mph that's why. Residential at 25 mph and OTR at 35 mph for some awful reason.
speed?
Posted: Fri, Jan 7 2011, 6:07 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
speed? wrote:
What is the speed limit on Plainsboro road once you pass the "End 25" sign?
50 until you get to Plainsboro, then it is 45.
Why?
Why not 55? 45? 40?
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jan 7 2011, 3:39 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
speed? wrote:
What is the speed limit on Plainsboro road once you pass the "End 25" sign?
50 until you get to Plainsboro, then it is 45.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jan 7 2011, 3:39 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
50
speed?
Posted: Fri, Jan 7 2011, 2:29 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
What is the speed limit on Plainsboro road once you pass the "End 25" sign?
Guest
Posted: Wed, Jan 5 2011, 6:53 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
I suspect the 35 MPH is just a temporary way to get to the 40 MPH that most people want and that is the prevailing speed limit in the sections before and after this part of Old Trenton. But the rules didn't let them go straight to 40 MPH. So they went to 35 MPH then will test the speed after some time, find that at least 85% of people are doing 40 MPH, because people tend to hovor about 5 MPH over the posted limit, and change it. So 35 MPH is a way to force people down to 40 MPH.
You gotta love the silly ways government works.
Cranbury Neck is even more of a mess now. It goes from 25 near Main Street, technically goes to 50 after that, but they intentionally took all the signs down so there's no way to know that which means everyone makes up their own speed, then Plainsboro is enoforcing 45 MPH, again with no signs, before West Windsor now starts by reducing you to 40, then 30, then 25. Of course with no signs for the 45 or 50, many people falsely assume the speed is still 40.
What signs were taken down? For the last 8 years there have been no speed limit signs on Cranbury Neck except where it is 25mph. Your statement does not make sense to me. I believe it is 40mph after the 25 mph zone but I am not 100% sure.
No it's 50.
Guest
Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2010, 6:33 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
I didn't say Old Trenton Rd. was unmarked.
You said: "And then you get the Old Trenton Rd. scenario. It's been unmarked for a while..."
Guest
Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2010, 10:51 am EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Except then the residents who don't like 50 mph would complain. Not having signage does lead to some slower speeds for those residents.
So the logic is if we don't let people know what the legal speed is they may accidentally drive slower than the appropriate speed so if we want that let's intentionally have poor signage? If the residents want it slower they should work to get it set lower. In the mean time they should just post the legal limit.
And then you get the Old Trenton Rd. scenario. It's been unmarked for a while it's not worth the issue. Most people know it goes to 50 and if it slows down some cars that's fine with me. I'd rather have that then have to do speed traps.
What are you talking about? Your second sentence doesn't even make sense grammatically. And what do you mean about it being unmarked? Old Trenton has a ton of marked speed signs compared to Cranbury Neck. It goes from 40 to 35, with multipple signs reminding you, to 40 again to 50 to 40 to 35 back to 45, etc.
People asked for Old Trenton Rd to be lowered to 40. Because they asked they went from 50-35. Residents complaining about Cranbury Neck Rd being too fast could cause a similar drop in speed.
Cranbury Neck Rd. has been unmarked for a long time regarding the 50 mph section. I didn't say Old Trenton Rd. was unmarked.
Guest
Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2010, 9:29 am EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Except then the residents who don't like 50 mph would complain. Not having signage does lead to some slower speeds for those residents.
So the logic is if we don't let people know what the legal speed is they may accidentally drive slower than the appropriate speed so if we want that let's intentionally have poor signage? If the residents want it slower they should work to get it set lower. In the mean time they should just post the legal limit.
And then you get the Old Trenton Rd. scenario. It's been unmarked for a while it's not worth the issue. Most people know it goes to 50 and if it slows down some cars that's fine with me. I'd rather have that then have to do speed traps.
What are you talking about? Your second sentence doesn't even make sense grammatically. And what do you mean about it being unmarked? Old Trenton has a ton of marked speed signs compared to Cranbury Neck. It goes from 40 to 35, with multipple signs reminding you, to 40 again to 50 to 40 to 35 back to 45, etc.
Guest
Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2010, 8:56 am EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Except then the residents who don't like 50 mph would complain. Not having signage does lead to some slower speeds for those residents.
So the logic is if we don't let people know what the legal speed is they may accidentally drive slower than the appropriate speed so if we want that let's intentionally have poor signage? If the residents want it slower they should work to get it set lower. In the mean time they should just post the legal limit.
And then you get the Old Trenton Rd. scenario. It's been unmarked for a while it's not worth the issue. Most people know it goes to 50 and if it slows down some cars that's fine with me. I'd rather have that then have to do speed traps.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 9:55 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
Except then the residents who don't like 50 mph would complain. Not having signage does lead to some slower speeds for those residents.
So the logic is if we don't let people know what the legal speed is they may accidentally drive slower than the appropriate speed so if we want that let's intentionally have poor signage? If the residents want it slower they should work to get it set lower. In the mean time they should just post the legal limit.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 9:54 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
guests wrote:
Seems like a considerate thing to do would be for the township in conjunction with the Cranbury Police should arrange for proper posting to avoid any confusion. That should be a simple thing to accomplish in a small town like Cranbury. Sinage similar to Plainsboro Road where it states "END 25 MPH".
I have always found those "End XX MPH" or "End Speed Zone" to be a great example of NJ stupidity. What possible logic did they have in wasting the resources and money to put up a sign that is intentionally vague when for exactly the same time and money they could have put up a sign that just told you what the speed limit should be? It's just dumb.
But I agree they should have a sign on Cranbury Neck that says when the speed changes and tell syou what it now is.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 8:18 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Except then the residents who don't like 50 mph would complain. Not having signage does lead to some slower speeds for those residents.
guests
Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 7:10 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Seems like a considerate thing to do would be for the township in conjunction with the Cranbury Police should arrange for proper posting to avoid any confusion. That should be a simple thing to accomplish in a small town like Cranbury. Sinage similar to Plainsboro Road where it states "END 25 MPH".
Guest
Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 12:27 pm EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
Guest wrote:
But Plainsboro should not be enforcing 45 mph on that part of Cranbury Neck.
I agree.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 10:32 am EST
Post subject: Re: Cranbury: Man objects to condemnation
But Plainsboro should not be enforcing 45 mph on that part of Cranbury Neck.