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[quote="Guest"]What a load of BS! The Times has been a holier than thou liberal elitist mouthpiece for decades. The difference is, they've gone from being righteous to being self-righteous and frankly it is unbecoming. They are the embodiment of exactly what is wrong with the American left- a bloated relic of the ultimate "me" generation. The graceful Gray Lady has turned into an obnoxious, toothless old hag. They should put out a Silver Alert on the Turnpike- please report a lost newspaper vehicle, New York license plate: 2L8 4NYT[/quote] What an incoherent rant. Have you forgotten your meds again. Your pent up anger is unbecoming. One pictures you sitting in your basement screaming at your computer screen. Any attempt to engage you in a discussion seems to end in a screed. I think the internet is hazardous to your health. I think you should get out, talk to your neighbors, find out what there opinion is. You see in the real world ranting and shrieking at people is frowned upon. Only on the internet can you behave this way. By the way what news source do you approve of?[/quote]
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toenailcake
Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2011, 4:02 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Christie should try tightening his own belt!
What a turd!
Guest
Posted: Sat, Jul 9 2011, 11:25 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
What a load of BS! The Times has been a holier than thou liberal elitist mouthpiece for decades. The difference is, they've gone from being righteous to being self-righteous and frankly it is unbecoming. They are the embodiment of exactly what is wrong with the American left- a bloated relic of the ultimate "me" generation. The graceful Gray Lady has turned into an obnoxious, toothless old hag. They should put out a Silver Alert on the Turnpike- please report a lost newspaper vehicle, New York license plate: 2L8 4NYT[/quote]
What an incoherent rant. Have you forgotten your meds again. Your pent up anger is unbecoming. One pictures you sitting in your basement screaming at your computer screen. Any attempt to engage you in a discussion seems to end in a screed.
I think the internet is hazardous to your health. I think you should get out, talk to your neighbors, find out what there opinion is. You see in the real world ranting and shrieking at people is frowned upon. Only on the internet can you behave this way.
By the way what news source do you approve of?
Guest
Posted: Sat, Jul 9 2011, 11:19 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
It is not logic it is a subtle redefinition. We now define almost any government action as a tax increase. Do I think the NYT was using this definition as a cudgel? Yes. Do I think if they applied any other definition to a Democratic politician they would be demonized by the right? yes.
All in all I think using the NYT as an example of bad Journalism is laughable, when there at this point literally dozens of media outlets that are mouthpieces for a party or a wing of a party.
The sad part is that what we think of as unbiased journalism came into being roughly 100 years ago simultaneously at the NYT and Wall Street Journal. We see the beauty of this style of journalism when we look at the chaos of the British model. For years the Wall Street Journal was able to maintain a wall between there admittedly right wing editorial page and there news division, which was top notch and right down the middle. Unfortunately, that has eroded after the Murdoch buy out.
So when you complain about the NYT my only response is, Who does it as well or better? Sadly 25 years ago you could name 10 or so high quality journalistic endeavors that tried to maintain and unbiased approach. How many can you name today.
I also think that blaming this on liberals is quite a stretch.
Blah blah blah. What is laughable is your poor excuse for a defense. The Times has fallen, their integrity blown, and all you can say is, "at least theiy're not as bad as many of their peers". The Times is supposed to be different. They're supposed to have editorial integrity. Its sad. True journalism is dead!
It was not a defense. It is saying that journalistic standards have changed and are getting worse in this country. Actually the Twentieth century was a unique period in Journalism. Prior to the all journalism was essentially advocacy journalism. The idea of objective standards for journalism really began about 100 years ago by the WSJ and NYT. What we are seeing is a return to advocacy journalism.
I find it strange that you think this is defense. I am saying that the Times is just following the lead (or lede:)). We are returning to advocacy journalism. What I don't get is why you so vehemently dislike the Times, did a Times delivery truck run over your dog? I am basically damning all of print journalism. Since you specifically hate the Times maybe you good tell us who you think is doing a good job and why?
Guest
Posted: Sat, Jul 9 2011, 11:03 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest
Posted: Sat, Jul 9 2011, 8:34 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Can someone clarify where the Times article quote in question became about "tax increase"? They were claiming commuter "fare" increases. Are people using them interchangeably?
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jul 8 2011, 11:32 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest wrote:
It is not logic it is a subtle redefinition. We now define almost any government action as a tax increase. Do I think the NYT was using this definition as a cudgel? Yes. Do I think if they applied any other definition to a Democratic politician they would be demonized by the right? yes.
All in all I think using the NYT as an example of bad Journalism is laughable, when there at this point literally dozens of media outlets that are mouthpieces for a party or a wing of a party.
The sad part is that what we think of as unbiased journalism came into being roughly 100 years ago simultaneously at the NYT and Wall Street Journal. We see the beauty of this style of journalism when we look at the chaos of the British model. For years the Wall Street Journal was able to maintain a wall between there admittedly right wing editorial page and there news division, which was top notch and right down the middle. Unfortunately, that has eroded after the Murdoch buy out.
So when you complain about the NYT my only response is, Who does it as well or better? Sadly 25 years ago you could name 10 or so high quality journalistic endeavors that tried to maintain and unbiased approach. How many can you name today.
I also think that blaming this on liberals is quite a stretch.
What a load of BS! The Times has been a holier than thou liberal elitist mouthpiece for decades. The difference is, they've gone from being righteous to being self-righteous and frankly it is unbecoming. They are the embodiment of exactly what is wrong with the American left- a bloated relic of the ultimate "me" generation. The graceful Gray Lady has turned into an obnoxious, toothless old hag. They should put out a Silver Alert on the Turnpike- please report a lost newspaper vehicle, New York license plate: 2L8 4NYT
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jul 8 2011, 10:47 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest wrote:
It is not logic it is a subtle redefinition. We now define almost any government action as a tax increase. Do I think the NYT was using this definition as a cudgel? Yes. Do I think if they applied any other definition to a Democratic politician they would be demonized by the right? yes.
All in all I think using the NYT as an example of bad Journalism is laughable, when there at this point literally dozens of media outlets that are mouthpieces for a party or a wing of a party.
The sad part is that what we think of as unbiased journalism came into being roughly 100 years ago simultaneously at the NYT and Wall Street Journal. We see the beauty of this style of journalism when we look at the chaos of the British model. For years the Wall Street Journal was able to maintain a wall between there admittedly right wing editorial page and there news division, which was top notch and right down the middle. Unfortunately, that has eroded after the Murdoch buy out.
So when you complain about the NYT my only response is, Who does it as well or better? Sadly 25 years ago you could name 10 or so high quality journalistic endeavors that tried to maintain and unbiased approach. How many can you name today.
I also think that blaming this on liberals is quite a stretch.
Blah blah blah. What is laughable is your poor excuse for a defense. The Times has fallen, their integrity blown, and all you can say is, "at least theiy're not as bad as many of their peers". The Times is supposed to be different. They're supposed to have editorial integrity. Its sad. True journalism is dead!
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jul 8 2011, 6:40 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
It is not logic it is a subtle redefinition. We now define almost any government action as a tax increase. Do I think the NYT was using this definition as a cudgel? Yes. Do I think if they applied any other definition to a Democratic politician they would be demonized by the right? yes.
All in all I think using the NYT as an example of bad Journalism is laughable, when there at this point literally dozens of media outlets that are mouthpieces for a party or a wing of a party.
The sad part is that what we think of as unbiased journalism came into being roughly 100 years ago simultaneously at the NYT and Wall Street Journal. We see the beauty of this style of journalism when we look at the chaos of the British model. For years the Wall Street Journal was able to maintain a wall between there admittedly right wing editorial page and there news division, which was top notch and right down the middle. Unfortunately, that has eroded after the Murdoch buy out.
So when you complain about the NYT my only response is, Who does it as well or better? Sadly 25 years ago you could name 10 or so high quality journalistic endeavors that tried to maintain and unbiased approach. How many can you name today.
I also think that blaming this on liberals is quite a stretch.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jul 8 2011, 5:39 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/nyregion/in-christies-policies-pain-for-commuters.html?src=rechp
To be clear, when the guardians of objectivity at the New York Times say "His approach to financing for transportation has led to... higher tolls on highways."What they mean is Christie has not rolled back the toll increases enacted by Corzine. But I'm sure they're not biased.
I agree with you that this should not be a definition of a tax increase. Unfortunately, this is how the Grover Norquist wing of the Republican party defines a tax increase. It is too bad that the NYT is using the definition of an anti tax zealot.
Yes. This type of. Twisted "logic" is typical of partisan zealots. When the New York Times' Editors do this, they are acting like which of the following...
A) responsible journalists
B) Partisan zealots
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jul 8 2011, 5:08 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/nyregion/in-christies-policies-pain-for-commuters.html?src=rechp
To be clear, when the guardians of objectivity at the New York Times say "His approach to financing for transportation has led to... higher tolls on highways."What they mean is Christie has not rolled back the toll increases enacted by Corzine. But I'm sure they're not biased.
I agree with you that this should not be a definition of a tax increase. Unfortunately, this is how the Grover Norquist wing of the Republican party defines a tax increase. It is too bad that the NYT is using the definition of an anti tax zealot.
Guest
Posted: Fri, Jul 8 2011, 4:05 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
For what it's worth I emailed the NYT the same day as this post to ask them to clarify what facts they had to back up the statement. They finally replied today, two months later, apologizing for the delay and claiming the email was lost due ot a system error and just recovered. I'm not endorsing or commenting on the article or their response just passing it on verbatim:
"Last May, rail commuters using New Jersey Transit saw fares go up an average of 22 percent, while service was reduced."
Mr. Christie has been governor since January 2010 so those increases certainly came during his tenure.
As for tolls, the most recent increase came in the form of the end to discounts for EZPass users whose accounts were set up out of state. That amounted to more than a 30 percent increase during rush hours. Governor Christie also rejected a demand by Democrats for a halt in a scheduled toll hike on the Turnpike and the Parkway. That increase had been intended to help finance another rail tunnel under the Hudson, which the governor killed. He insisted, however, that the toll hike proceed.
Mr. Christie has been governor since January 2010 so those increases certainly came during his tenure.
Guest
Posted: Mon, May 16 2011, 4:50 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
Guest wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/nyregion/in-christies-policies-pain-for-commuters.html?src=rechp
To be clear, when the guardians of objectivity at the New York Times say "His approach to financing for transportation has led to... higher tolls on highways."What they mean is Christie has not rolled back the toll increases enacted by Corzine. But I'm sure they're not biased.
Guest
Posted: Mon, May 16 2011, 8:34 am EDT
Post subject: Commuters Feel Pinch as Christie Tightens
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/nyregion/in-christies-policies-pain-for-commuters.html?src=rechp