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[quote="anon-8403"]We have full-time employees in public works right? one of them should have been there at all time monitoring the project. Full-time, not just stopping by at the end of the day long after the mistake was made.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-5651</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Feb 7 2015, 7:55 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I saw it today and it was not as I recollected it. Later, I saw Mr. Taylor today who said they are aware and that Mr. cook is working on it. The issue will be corrected. <br /> <br />I didn't get into details.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-2592</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 10:35 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That's a good suggestion. I will do that. <br /> <br />That's possibility, but I doubt it, the gap is pretty far away from 1 n main. The gap is over the water. So I don't think it had anything to do with a property owner. Could be though.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-5651</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 7:37 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Why not go to a TC meeting and ask? Maybe there is a solution. <br /> <br />For example, the railing to me looks like it may not be joined at the property line. I understand that the owners at 1 north main asked for a railing where the bushes are as a concession for the loss of the bushes. <br /> <br />Perhaps and this is speculation the town did not want to maintain their fence. As such they could have decided not to join the private railing to the township railing. This way the private railing could come down without impacting the town. <br /> <br />In terms of height. If they are pre fab the height of the post is all the same. As such it could have been cost prohibitive to build the fence with each section independent. Just a guess. <br /> <br />So why not ask? Dave has already responded on the non-issue of the concrete.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-8403</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 7:14 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">We have full-time employees in public works right? one of them should have been there at all time monitoring the project. Full-time, not just stopping by at the end of the day long after the mistake was made.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-8403</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 7:12 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Just an FYI. Today there was about 4 workers starting work on the other side of the street. I stopped by an asked them "is the gap on the other side just not closed in yet? or is it is mistake".. the answer I got was "no its not getting closed in. It wasn't a mistake. At least not a mistake by us, those were the plans". <br /> <br />So it most certainly was not an intentional attempt to combine pre-fab and custom work as stated above. It was a error in the plans (assuming the worker was correct). <br /> <br />I am sure it will get fixed a few months as an additional task. Likely also at an additional cost. <br /> <br />It would have been nice if the installers could've used common sense and deviated from the plan instead of leaving a gap near a 10 foot drop off. They are professional fence installers after all. I guess if the plan would've told them to put it right across the street, we would have had a heck of a traffic jam that evening. <br /> <br />If we had someone there monitoring the project on our behalf, they could have been stopped before they continued on to finish the span. <br /> <br />I too am disappointed that the horizontal portions are not level. It looks like an amateur job.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-2592</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 3:39 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Although, your point about ordering prefabricated pieces maybe the same reason that it is not level. If we paid for a prefab quality job and got a prefab quality job, then that's fine by me. I'll leave that decision up to the people who volunteer their time to make it. I just hope we didn't pay top dollar, custom job money for prefab job.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-2592</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 3:35 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That's reasonable. I hope that is the answer. Just a thought though, each end of the gap has closed, rounded end caps on it. Generally if you intended to fabricate a transition piece, you would order it so that the two ends of the gap had open holes that you could put the horizontal pieces into. <br /> <br />I'll reserve final judgment (not that my judgment matters) until the project is done. I do, however, really wish it was level.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-2592</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 3:29 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The vertical post part got a little confusing there. What I meant to say was that the horizontal sections are off level because all the vertical posts are the same length even though the ground they sit on is nit level. The vertical posts should've been ordered at varying lengths to ensure they are all the same height even though the ground isn't it level. Alternatively, the concrete curbs that they sit on could've been poured level, but it's way too late for that now.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-257q</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 3:29 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm not involved in the project so I am merely speculating here, but it's extremely common, per your first point, for them to install prefab pieces, then measure and manufacture custom transition pieces. So I wouldn't presume they don't have that in mind.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-2592</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 3:23 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am sure the county engineers have the proper testing and protocol in place for cement. <br /> <br />I do have two comments on the portions of the fence that have been installed thus far: <br /> <br />1- There is a 1.5 to 2 foot gap in the fence that is currently wrapped in orange temporary fencing. It appears to me as though there should've been an angled piece joining those two sections as one continuous fence. I've seen plenty of fences that have angled turns in them. None of which have a gap in them. Especially not those that are over such a steep drop. I hope that this is going to be filled in. And I certainly hope that it's not just going to be filled in with a couple short pieces. Proper attention to a aesthetic details would dictate that you use full sections. There doesn't need to be a 2 foot section to turn an angle. It should be taken down from the bend on and redone from the bend to the end in full sections. <br /> <br />2- This concern is purely aesthetic. Perhaps this is an example of my OCD coming through. But when you're dealing with the centerpiece of the downtown area, a little OCD could go a long way. The horizontal sections of the fence are off level. They are off level because even though the ground grade dips and rises, the vertical posts are all the same height. When you install a fence, best practice is to make the horizontal sections of the fence all nice and straight and level with each other. Unless you are on perfectly level ground, this requires varying heights of the vertical posts. On dirt that simply means running a string and making sure the tops of all the same posts are the same level, burying them at different depths in the ground to accomplish equal heights. When on concrete, that requires a surveyors measurement of the ground grade and ordering the different vertical posts at varying lengths to make sure the tops are all at the same height and level with each other. Again, perhaps OCD, but it's just not perfect and there's no reason why shouldn't be perfect. <br /> <br />That leads me to three questions... <br /> <br />1. How much did we pay for this fence? It seems as though we're getting a relatively low quality job. Medium quality at best. If we paid a low-quality price, then that's what we deserve. I certainly hope we didn't pay for a top-quality job and are getting an average or low quality job. <br /> <br />2. Has the contractor been paid in full yet? Usually when they paid in full, quality and responsiveness start to dissipate. I certainly hope that we have a large portion of the total bill outstanding, so that we can demand as much as possible of the deficiencies be remedied before final payment. <br /> <br />3. Do we have "cranbury eyes" on this project at all times? What I mean by that is is there a public works or some other town employee or a GC monitoring the work that's being done? And then the follow-up question would be does that person know that a fence is supposed to be level and not have a 2 foot gap? And does that person have the gumption to say to the workers "stop and don't go any further until you start doing it right"? <br /> <br /> <br />Downtown Allentown has a damn and iron fence that is done right and you can tell it's done right. As a result it looks beautiful. I'm concerned that we're getting a job that's not being done right and you're going to be able to tell that it's not being done right. As a result, it won't look beautiful. It'll be done, but not beautifully.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>David Cook</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 9:58 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">In response made by a concerned resident, I want to be clear as to how the County Engineering firm and the General contractor handles the pouring and curing of concrete on the bridge/dam project. There are different mixes of concrete depending on the environment and temperature at the time of application. <br /> <br />Each application of concrete has core samples taken by the engineering firm to confirm quality and stability when poured and cured. In some cases you will have surface roughness that can emerge before a final coat or finishing of the surface takes place. <br /> <br />These surfaces will be re-inspected and evaluated by the engineering firm as we get closer to project completion. <br /> <br />Thank you, <br /> <br />Dave Cook <br />Township Committee</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-5651</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Feb 2 2015, 8:22 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">How do we know there are issues at the dam? I am not a mason and a view of an anonymous poster isn't really credible. <br /> <br />just before we go jumping to conclusions, it would be good to have credibility. You have engineers who have to sample the concrete that is poured, the tags state all the details, you have experts pouring the concrete. So while it could be a bad load, it could also be fine. I have no idea and can't tell that there will be failure. <br /> <br />I agree that if it appears off the engineer should evaluate it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-1225</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 4:35 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon;04q-04q3 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">The railings are going up on the west side of the bridge but they should not allow them to be installed on the east side until the repairs to the spalling ,cracking, concrete are completed. If one walks along and looks at the concrete especially on the cantelivered section they will see the early signs of a poor concrete job that will fail prematurely. To install those rails before repairs are made is foolish. There should be $$$ withheld in escrow to insure repairs are made and we don't end up paying twice for the job. Pushing the contractor to finish and getting a poor job are not signs of good management by those elected to protect our interests.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Very well said!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon;04q-04q3</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 31 2015, 8:05 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The railings are going up on the west side of the bridge but they should not allow them to be installed on the east side until the repairs to the spalling ,cracking, concrete are completed. If one walks along and looks at the concrete especially on the cantelivered section they will see the early signs of a poor concrete job that will fail prematurely. To install those rails before repairs are made is foolish. There should be $$$ withheld in escrow to insure repairs are made and we don't end up paying twice for the job. Pushing the contractor to finish and getting a poor job are not signs of good management by those elected to protect our interests.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jan 31 2015, 4:25 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Looks like the railings are going up.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>James Taylor</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jan 16 2015, 9:31 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The permanent temporary fence</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The new railing should be received by Rock Solid (our contractor) next week with installation being performed shortly thereafter (weather permitting). <br /> <br />Jay Taylor</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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