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[quote="anon-417r"]As someone who lives on Main St. I often see safe riders, but they are usually in very small groups. The large pack riders do not ride 2 by 2 and that is the concern I have. I don't expect police to pull over packs of riders. So I do think this is simply the way things are for now. It would be good if Knapps where I see people stop could help get the message out. Also, bike riders need to obey the same traffic laws. On a number of occasions bikers have nearly hit me in a crosswalk, just as drivers.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-ppqn</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Dec 13 2014, 7:06 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The situation doesn't seem to have gotten any better. The roads are still very tight on weekends with cyclers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4731</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Dec 11 2014, 3:25 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Isn't there a new law on this?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-p9n0</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, May 12 2014, 5:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hopefully ticketing will be next, last sat about twenty bikes pulled out of Village park, not one stoped for the stop sign.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-267p</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 4:13 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-sp08 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-267p wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">... really, it's not safe for cars to zip past a line stretched 1/4 mile long (single file) at high speeds. The drivers are, in my opinion, equally complicit in the problem here. <br />... Possibly they have observed equally egregious driving by drivers and understand why cyclists are taking actions they are to preserve their safety. <br />... I'd also like to see some awareness brought to drivers, as they often get way too close at speeds that are unsafe when passing bikes. <br /> <br />I don't often ride in the groups, but as seen through the lens of someone who rides occasionally in town and has seen the behavior of drivers, I fully understand most of the actions I've seen by cyclists. I think the sign is decent. I think others should relax a bit, whats the alternative? Ticketing people for doing what they feel keeps them safe, driving out the business they bring to town, hitting cyclists? <br /> <br />More laws are not the solution. Common sense by all parties is.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I often ride a bike, solo, on these roads including long stretches of Cranbury Neck, Old Trenton, Ancil Davison, etc. That said, your reasoning that bikers are justified in breaking the law because some drivers are also do so it ridiculous. Some of your points might have passed for reasonable until you made that statement.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />I never said bikers are justified breaking the law. I said the activities I've seen fall within the law and are understandable. What I did say was that due to drivers getting too close, some bikers have likely chosen to to heed the guidance offered in the manual (taking the lane on slow/narrow roads, or leaving room to be seen on wider/faster roads), both activities interfere with high speed car travel. <br /> <br />The law, as usual, can not cover every possibility. Where it lacks guidance is in addressing large groups of riders. If your talking 1, 2, or even 6 riders the laws cover most possibilities. If your talking 25-40 riders, the law is lacking. Personally I've ridden with them a couple times and have seen them some times on the road. My experience has been when the road is clear they may take the whole lane, but when a car approaches they often try to go 2 abreast. The reasoning I saw was that one line was always moving forward and the other moving rearward, leaving the lead rider to break the wind for only short stretches. In a large group this is the most reasonable way to travel (drafting). You could not just leave the leader out front all day. You also would endanger the sole rider falling to the back (2 abreast) if he was the only rider 2 abreast. Therefore long lines 2 wide make sense. The law is lacking in this regard. <br /> <br />Regardless of what the law states, people do what they feel keeps them safest. My point is that informing riders is useful, but passing blame on only one side (the riders) is wrong. Drivers are equally wrong in their behavior often times. <br /> <br /> <br />This discussion got me thinking. It led me here: <a href="http://bicyclelightreview.com/bike-light-review/" target="_blank">http://bicyclelightreview.com/bike-light-review/</a> I found what the author said to be highly relevant here. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Introduction: As a quick start; I was hit and almost killed last year by a car making an illegal turn…I was a lucky survivor. Many are not so fortunate. Even though I ride an average of 10K miles/yr., I’d never been a bike advocate or activist before; but seeing your own blood draining onto the street changes you. Within weeks of being released from the hospital, I started looking for a solution to the carnage. We had two more fatalities the next month further raising the stakes. What was the most expedient, reliable, and cost effective mechanism to preventing/stopping the fatalities? <br /> <br />You can say and preach all you want about driver and rider safety and education, but the truth is, you’re never going to get to every driver or rider. There had/has to be other options. I looked in all directions and researched numerous possibilities, and one statistic I found leapt out against all the others… To date, I have not found one, not a single fatality, hit from behind accident, (which out number all other cycling fatality accidents 2:1), when the cyclist was riding with today’s ultra bright rear lights turned on… </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-sp08</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 10:50 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-267p wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>passing?-rrq7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">What are motorists supposed to do in a no passing zone if the rider is in the middle of the road?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Assuming the rider is in the middle of the road as the law allows, i.e. riding 22mph on 25mph roads, wait. If they are preserving their safety (say Dey Rd, Plainsboro Rd., Cranbury Neck) by riding 3 ft from the curb and there is not enough room to pass (basically on or over the line by law), wait. The law is clear. I can see peoples frustration with large groups riding 2 wide, but really, it's not safe for cars to zip past a line stretched 1/4 mile long (single file) at high speeds. The drivers are, in my opinion, equally complicit in the problem here. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-85r6 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">We have a major problem in town with bicyclists not obeying the law as posted here. Routinely on many roads we have large groups of bicyclists take up the entire roadway and not let motorists pass. When will our police do something to stop this dangerous and criminal activity.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Clearly the police have not found the activity to be criminal or they would be ticketing. Possibly they have observed equally egregious driving by drivers and understand why cyclists are taking actions they are to preserve their safety. <br /> <br />Defining it as a major problem seems excessive. When's the last time any motorist had their travels delayed by more than a few seconds to a minute? <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-921r wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Cranbury is on some bike map as a route to use. I agree something needs to be done, but I am not sure we want our town to be the one stopping these bikers with police or how one officer could do this. <br /> <br />I see many stop at local businesses Teddy's, Knapp's cycles, etc... Perhaps signs stating Cranbury expects the bikers to ride legally is a first step.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Map or not, the roads leading to/from Cranbury are decent to ride on. They are not from East Windsor though, so yes people start rides here. I think the sign is a decent step. I'd also like to see some awareness brought to drivers, as they often get way too close at speeds that are unsafe when passing bikes. <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.njbikemap.com/" target="_blank">http://www.njbikemap.com/</a> <br /><a href="http://www.njbikemap.com/njmap/7-maps/hightstn.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.njbikemap.com/njmap/7-maps/hightstn.pdf</a> <br /> <br />I don't often ride in the groups, but as seen through the lens of someone who rides occasionally in town and has seen the behavior of drivers, I fully understand most of the actions I've seen by cyclists. I think the sign is decent. I think others should relax a bit, whats the alternative? Ticketing people for doing what they feel keeps them safe, driving out the business they bring to town, hitting cyclists? <br /> <br />More laws are not the solution. Common sense by all parties is.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I often ride a bike, solo, on these roads including long stretches of Cranbury Neck, Old Trenton, Ancil Davison, etc. That said, your reasoning that bikers are justified in breaking the law because some drivers are also do so it ridiculous. Some of your points might have passed for reasonable until you made that statement.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-417r</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 9:56 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">As someone who lives on Main St. I often see safe riders, but they are usually in very small groups. The large pack riders do not ride 2 by 2 and that is the concern I have. I don't expect police to pull over packs of riders. So I do think this is simply the way things are for now. It would be good if Knapps where I see people stop could help get the message out. <br /> <br />Also, bike riders need to obey the same traffic laws. On a number of occasions bikers have nearly hit me in a crosswalk, just as drivers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-267p</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 8:55 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>passing?-rrq7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">What are motorists supposed to do in a no passing zone if the rider is in the middle of the road?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Assuming the rider is in the middle of the road as the law allows, i.e. riding 22mph on 25mph roads, wait. If they are preserving their safety (say Dey Rd, Plainsboro Rd., Cranbury Neck) by riding 3 ft from the curb and there is not enough room to pass (basically on or over the line by law), wait. The law is clear. I can see peoples frustration with large groups riding 2 wide, but really, it's not safe for cars to zip past a line stretched 1/4 mile long (single file) at high speeds. The drivers are, in my opinion, equally complicit in the problem here. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-85r6 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">We have a major problem in town with bicyclists not obeying the law as posted here. Routinely on many roads we have large groups of bicyclists take up the entire roadway and not let motorists pass. When will our police do something to stop this dangerous and criminal activity.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Clearly the police have not found the activity to be criminal or they would be ticketing. Possibly they have observed equally egregious driving by drivers and understand why cyclists are taking actions they are to preserve their safety. <br /> <br />Defining it as a major problem seems excessive. When's the last time any motorist had their travels delayed by more than a few seconds to a minute? <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-921r wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Cranbury is on some bike map as a route to use. I agree something needs to be done, but I am not sure we want our town to be the one stopping these bikers with police or how one officer could do this. <br /> <br />I see many stop at local businesses Teddy's, Knapp's cycles, etc... Perhaps signs stating Cranbury expects the bikers to ride legally is a first step.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Map or not, the roads leading to/from Cranbury are decent to ride on. They are not from East Windsor though, so yes people start rides here. I think the sign is a decent step. I'd also like to see some awareness brought to drivers, as they often get way too close at speeds that are unsafe when passing bikes. <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.njbikemap.com/" target="_blank">http://www.njbikemap.com/</a> <br /><a href="http://www.njbikemap.com/njmap/7-maps/hightstn.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.njbikemap.com/njmap/7-maps/hightstn.pdf</a> <br /> <br />I don't often ride in the groups, but as seen through the lens of someone who rides occasionally in town and has seen the behavior of drivers, I fully understand most of the actions I've seen by cyclists. I think the sign is decent. I think others should relax a bit, whats the alternative? Ticketing people for doing what they feel keeps them safe, driving out the business they bring to town, hitting cyclists? <br /> <br />More laws are not the solution. Common sense by all parties is.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-921r</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 1:26 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Cranbury is on some bike map as a route to use. I agree something needs to be done, but I am not sure we want our town to be the one stopping these bikers with police or how one officer could do this. <br /> <br />I see many stop at local businesses Teddy's, Knapp's cycles, etc... Perhaps signs stating Cranbury expects the bikers to ride legally is a first step.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-85r6</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 11:15 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">We have a major problem in town with bicyclists not obeying the law as posted here. Routinely on many roads we have large groups of bicyclists take up the entire roadway and not let motorists pass. When will our police do something to stop this dangerous and criminal activity.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-sn6q</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 6:50 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Nj state regulations regarding bicycles, see the last section on road position and riding single file..... <br /> <br /> <br />Regulations <br />Bicycling in New Jersey is regulated under Title 39 of the Motor Vehicles and Traffic Regulation laws. <br /> <br />39:4-14.5 Definition. <br />“Bicycle” means any two wheeled vehicle having a rear drive which is solely human powered and having a seat height of 25 inches or greater when the seat is in the lowest adjustable position. <br /> <br />39:4-10 Lights on Bicycles. <br />When in use at nighttime every bicycle shall be equipped with: 1) A front headlamp emitting a white light visible from a distance of at least 500 feet to the front; 2) A rear lamp emitting a red light visible from a distance of at least 500 feet to the rear; 3) In addition to the red lamp a red reflector may be mounted on the rear. <br /> <br />39:4-11 Audible Signal. <br />A bicycle must be equipped with a bell or other audible device that can be heard at least 100 feet away, but not a siren or whistle. <br /> <br />39:4-11.1 Brakes. <br />A bicycle must be equipped with a brake that can make wheels skid while stopping on dry, level, clean pavement. <br /> <br />39:4-12 Feet and Hands on Pedals and Handlebars; Carrying Another Person. <br />Bicyclists should not drive the bicycle with feet removed from the pedals, or with both hands removed from the handlebars, nor practice any trick or fancy driving in a street. Limit passengers to only the number the bicycle is designed and equipped to carry (the number of seats it has). <br /> <br />39:4-14 Hitching on Vehicle Prohibited. <br />No person riding a bicycle shall attach themselves to any streetcar or vehicle. <br /> <br />39:4-14.1 Rights and Duties of Persons on Bicycles. <br />Every person riding a bicycle on a roadway is granted all the rights and subject to all of the duties of the motor vehicle driver. <br /> <br />39:4-14.2, 39:4-10.11 Operating Regulations. <br />Every person riding a bicycle on a roadway shall ride as near to the right roadside as practicable exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction. A bicyclist may move left under any of the following conditions: 1) To make a left turn from a left turn lane or pocket; 2) To avoid debris, drains, or other hazardous conditions on the right; 3) To pass a slower moving vehicle; 4) To occupy any available lane when traveling at the same speed as other traffic; 5) To travel no more than two abreast when traffic is not impeded, but otherwise ride in single file. Every person riding a bicycle shall ride in the same direction as vehicular traffic. <br /> <br />In New Jersey, the law states a bicyclist must obey all state and local automobile driving laws. A parent may be held responsible for the child’s violation of any traffic law.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>passing?-rrq7</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 8:55 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What are motorists supposed to do in a no passing zone if the rider is in the middle of the road?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-267p</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 8:47 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-p8n5 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">...bicyclists ride way out in the roadway anyway instead of close to the curb where they belong.I guess when you ride a bicycle all your common sense goes out the window and they just assume that they invinsible against a car or truck.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Referencing: <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>NJ Bicycling Manual wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/bike/pdf/bicyclingmanual.pdf <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">“Normal” Width Travel Lanes</span> <br />In lanes 13 feet wide or less, most vehicles, especially wide ones, will <br />have to move left to comfortably pass. In these situations, if a bicyclist <br />rides too close to the edge of the lane, they may "invite" motor vehicles <br />to pass without moving left, and in so doing the bicyclist may end up <br />being squeezed off the road, into parked cars or drainage grates or <br />other roadside or road edge hazards. Therefore, <span style="font-weight: bold">the best approach is to <br />position yourself several feet out into the lane where motorists will see <br />you and not be invited to squeeze by in the same lane.</span> <br /> <br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Riding in a Narrow Lane</span> <br />On narrower lanes (or lanes narrowed by parked cars) ten feet or less, a bicyclist may want to "take the lane", by positioning themselves at or near the center of the lane. This enables them to be seen by overtaking vehicles and gives the message that the overtaking vehicle must move left to pass...when it is safe to do so.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Using State guidance on a wide lane, the rider should be "several feet out" to be seen and not invite motorist to squeeze by. The manual also states that cars should be 3ft minimum, 5ft recommended away from the rider when passing. So in most cases the car must be 5-9ft minimum from the line. On average cars are about 6 ft wide, so with the 5-9ft margin, assuming the rider follows the state guidance, the driver should be basically on the dotted line or over it into the oncoming lane, by law, when passing a bicycle on a wide lane. <br /> <br />In narrow lanes, like most in town, I'll simply quote the state: "a <br />bicyclist may want to "take the lane", by positioning themselves at or <br />near the center of the lane. This enables them to be seen by overtaking <br />vehicles and gives the message that the overtaking vehicle must move <br />left to pass...when it is safe to do so." <br /> <br />In my experience, all of this guidance is on point. Clearly it's probably considered lacking common sense, but here's the alternative. If I ride on the line (no margin to my right) as I'm capable of, I'll have cars pass me at 60 mph barley moving over at all, trucks usually will slow somewhat, but still very close. If I so much as swerve I'll be run over by a fast moving vehicle. If I follow the guidance, they will see me and the cars usually end up where they belong (in the other lane to pass) and they will slow down. Usually, once I know they're aware of my presence and slower I'll move right slightly making it easier for them to pass. I don't love being "that guy", but it keeps me safe. If I could trust motorists to slow and give a safe (and legal) passing distance, I'd happily ride on the line.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-921r</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 7:15 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yes, let ' spit the sign in the middle of the road:).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-p8n5</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 5:12 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What's the difference if the sign sits in the roadway, bicyclists ride way out in the roadway anyway instead of close to the curb where they belong.I guess when you ride a bicycle all your common sense goes out the window and they just assume that they invinsible against a car or truck.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>lacking common sense-4091</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 9:31 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: here's your sign</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Nice idea, "share the roadway with cyclist" roadway trailer sign downtown. <br /> <br />Hey here's an idea, let's not put it on an intersection where it forces the bicyclists into the active roadway. <br /> <br />Common sense does not seem to be a prerequisite for some of hired township leaders and managers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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