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[quote="Guests"]Does someone know where the funds for this New Library will come from? If its from higher taxes and not private funding I'm very much against that option. If someone "wants" a First Class Library we can use the new Plainsboro Library and the Middlesex county bus will gladly take those who don't drive. Its time those individuals who want everything spend their money for these "WANTS".[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 31 2010, 1:54 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yes. My point was that hiring a security guard would cost less than heating and cooling a new building. <br /> <br />Since you brought up the school budget crisis, if the library moves out, the school is out $50k. So while I don't think the school should have to pay for the security guard, it would still be a positive financial move to spend $15k to retain $50k. <br /> <br />Maybe, with improved security, the school could contract with the library to provide library services to the school, instead of operating in seperate silos as they do now. That could save money, as well.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 31 2010, 12:50 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I keep hearing the issue of school security being raised. My question is, how hard is it to improve security at the library during school hours? If necessary, we could have a security guard at the library door during school hours for $10k-$15k per year.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />10 to 15 K a year! You're kidding right? The school is having a meeting on its financial crisis and you want them to spend 10 to 15 thousand a year on security.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I think the posters point was that the librayr, not the school, spending $10-15K a year would be a lot cheaper than building a new building for $3M plus annual operating costs. <br /> <br />And before you say its a school issue so the library shouldn't pay, don't be silly. Both are operations of the township and we should be able to divide responsibility any way we see fit and it would not be unusual as a condition of their lease for the school to impose conditions like paying for security.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 31 2010, 10:34 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I keep hearing the issue of school security being raised. My question is, how hard is it to improve security at the library during school hours? If necessary, we could have a security guard at the library door during school hours for $10k-$15k per year.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />10 to 15 K a year! You're kidding right? The school is having a meeting on its financial crisis and you want them to spend 10 to 15 thousand a year on security.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 31 2010, 9:56 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I keep hearing the issue of school security being raised. My question is, how hard is it to improve security at the library during school hours? If necessary, we could have a security guard at the library door during school hours for $10k-$15k per year.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 31 2010, 9:48 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A vast majority of the people who move to Cranbury do so specifically for the school. That is the main reason we have the highest property values in Middlesex County. That is why our school budgets pass by wide margins even in hard times. If the school ever was consolidated with one of those in neighboring townships or was substantially reduced in quality people would start leaving and property values would plummet. <br /> <br />Since we haven't had a stand alone library to date it can't be claimed it is similarly important. <br /> <br />I can understand that the financial focus on school would be frustrating to someone who has lived here their whole life or for multiple generations and has no kids but for anyone else it is silly because either they moved here once upon a time for the schools or they at least should have understood they were moving into a Township where the school was the focus of our taxes. <br /> <br />And we don't spend more than the state average anyway. We would have to start spending below average for the state to hurt our schools and that would be epically foolish.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Dec 31 2010, 8:09 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A blue ribbon school generates property values as many people look at the schools first as they have kids. That is why a home in Cranbury is worth more than East Windsor. <br /> <br />Now do I think we should make cuts in the budget? Perhaps. I have voted no many times. However, I am also of the opinion that some investment does need to be made to keep the school at a high level as it has been for the last 50 years at least.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Dec 30 2010, 9:37 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I would classify a blue ribbon school as a "want" not a need.... <br />so it all depends.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />1) There's no proof we "pay" extra for that status. If you look at our cost per pupil it is average for the state and far lower than some of our neighboring Townships with worse schools and dramatically lower than some far larger districts, thus undermining the idea that consolidation is cost effective. <br /> <br />2) In any event, the majority of voters disagree which is why in a year when a majority of the school budgets in the State failed our passed by a landslide margin. If you don't think education should be a Township priority you're in the wrong town. That's not a threat just a simple statement of fact based on local electorate behavior. <br /> <br />Library supporters have consistently resisted efforts to put the idea of a separate library to a public vote, despite it being suggested many times in Township Committee meetings by members of the public. If you believe the majority of the electorate support the idea, why not accept a public referendum?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Dec 30 2010, 8:40 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I would classify a blue ribbon school as a "want" not a need.... <br />so it all depends.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes, access to a stand alone public library is frequently a major factor in establishing real estate values, whereas a blue ribbon school is almost never a factor. <br /> <br />Or do I have that backwards?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Dec 30 2010, 7:55 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I would classify a blue ribbon school as a "want" not a need.... <br />so it all depends.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 29 2010, 4:09 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The Cranbury Public Library website spells it all out. They want to raise the funds privately so there is no increase in taxes. <br />The school library will continue to exist and will be even better without security worries. The students can use the whole library and the learning experience can be enhanced. <br />The public library can then serve the whole community with meeting areas for seniors, enhanced quiet reading areas for adults, and a separate children's area for young families with preschoolers that sometimes can't access the children's section in our current library due to the school use. <br />Oh, and the master plan has both the library and a public parking lot on it, as well as that proposed one way road extending from Park Place West.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guests</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 29 2010, 3:05 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Does someone know where the funds for this New Library will come from? If its from higher taxes and not private funding I'm very much against that option. If someone "wants" a First Class Library we can use the new Plainsboro Library and the Middlesex county bus will gladly take those who don't drive. Its time those individuals who want everything spend their money for these "WANTS".</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>??</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 29 2010, 10:45 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Whether the public library is in its current location or in its new location, it can offer a place for students after school and it can continue to offer after school programs.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If it becomes a school library, will there be school staff to supervise students there after school, and if so, for how long? <br /> <br />I doubt that it will be open after school is closed.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Dec 29 2010, 9:04 am EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sems counter productive to me. You're talking about spending millions to consturct a new building a few hundred feet from the current one, still in the school parking lot, all so that some people can "feel more comfortable" (note, not that they can't use it now, just that you are easing their psychological discomfort) about using it. <br /> <br />And the proposed site would probably be better used making an extension of the parking lot that allows one way exiting out onto Park Place so they could fix the dangerous traffic congestion in the parking lot. <br /> <br />That said, if a bunch of people want to donate every last dime it takes to do a new Library and if the same group pledges on the record never to need any budget increases for operations or upkeep so this never contributes a cent to tax increases, hey, more power to them. That is the American way. I just remain skeptical they really could make those pledges.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Robert Zurfluh</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Dec 28 2010, 10:47 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think the proposed site is next to the current tennis courts. If a sidewalk/path can be extended from the new gym all the way around then kids can continue to go there after school with no worries of them crossing the parking lot.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Dec 28 2010, 8:16 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I agree. As far as the as the school goes, it can continue to offer the same things it is currently offering AND it can offer more to the whole communinty in a new location where everyone feels welcome.... right now, not everyone feels like they belong in the school.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Dec 28 2010, 8:12 pm EST<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury wants to move township library out of local school</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Whether the public library is in its current location or in its new location, it can offer a place for students after school and it can continue to offer after school programs.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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